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I actually guessed that the unemployment rate was around 8%, but it's apparently closer to 7.5% recently. That's assuming you trust the methodology and ignore the details about the participation rate, underemployment and part-time employment, anyways. A quick search found this article, suggesting that roughly 9% of the workforce is working at minimum wage (original referenced study here, since it's sterling journalistic practice not to link it properly). I share that friendly business-persons sentiment that moving people out of minimum wage jobs is the best solution, but I don't see how that helps the people currently in those jobs - 40% of whom are 25+ years old. I suppose they should just pull themselves up by their bootstraps and go to night school or something. vyelkin posted:
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I was at a local NDP riding meeting thing in Toronto maybe 3 weeks back where the MPP hopeful and Horwath herself gave speeches. It was mostly attended by volunteers and Union reps / local (some former) politicians (Howard Moscoe was there). I'm pretty sure she used the term job creators there because it bugged me quite a bit.
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Lumius posted:I'm pretty sure she used the term job creators there because it bugged me quite a bit. Why did that bug you?
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May 7, 2014 18:31
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Ikantski posted:Why did that bug you? Possibly because it's a bullshit term meant to elevate business owners above others to justify giving them tax breaks and subsidies at the expense of the rest of the population.
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May 7, 2014 18:38
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Wow, was that the best picture of Wynne they could find?
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JohnnyCanuck posted:Wow, was that the best picture of Wynne they could find? They all look kinda awful. Tim Hudak looks like he should be menacing someone as the villain in a generic movie poster.
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May 7, 2014 19:05
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At this point I'm honestly really annoyed by the skills training canard being used to distract from efforts to make essential but low-pay jobs earn a liveable wage. You don't fix the issue of retail service and garbage pickup paying like poo poo by training workers for better jobs unless you'd like to take your trash out to the dump site yourself every week. There will always be people working these jobs, and they will be paid like poo poo until we do something about it.
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May 7, 2014 19:43
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Heavy neutrino posted:garbage pickup paying like poo poo by training workers for better jobs unless you'd like to take your trash out to the dump site yourself every week. Garbage men in Toronto make about $25 an hour with benefits and pension, what exactly do you want to do about that?
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May 7, 2014 19:50
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They made straight up minimum wage in the small town I grew up in -- good on Toronto garbagemen that they can bring the city to its knees when their livelihoods are threatened, but it's not like this everywhere.
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Saw the first lawnsigns in my neighbourhood today. So I guess Matt Young is running again, but he should really update his website, it talks about releasing Ottawa South from the McGuinty Family Clutches  , as well as an endorsement from Pierre Poilievre  Dr. Witherbone posted:They all look kinda awful. Tim Hudak looks like he should be menacing someone as the villain in a generic movie poster. Hudak always looks terrible, though. He is a dorky, unappealing shitbird who I wouldn't even buy a car from, nevermind trust to be my Premiere.
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Ikantski posted:Garbage men in Toronto make about $25 an hour with benefits and pension, what exactly do you want to do about that? 
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Heavy neutrino posted:They made straight up minimum wage in the small town I grew up in -- good on Toronto garbagemen that they can bring the city to its knees when their livelihoods are threatened, but it's not like this everywhere. Not just Toronto, they start at $48k in Ottawa too and it's usually a municipal job, you get the same benefits and pension as any other unionized municipal employee. I'm trying to point out that it's not the same job as retail service. Garbage collection is hard and it's essential and you need licenses to drive the trucks so it pays well. Retail service isn't essential and being the person who helps kids find the tightest Chinese tight jeans doesn't benefit society at all. I'm okay with retail jobs paying $25k a year, that sounds about right. I feel bad for the kids graduating university who can't find better work but I don't think raising the minimum wage to $15 so they get paid $30k instead of $25k solves that problem. Home care workers in Ontario would be a good example of underpaid and very useful people but I'd argue that's a result of the creation of huge top-heavy bureaucracies with our healthcare funds. http://www.thestar.com/opinion/editorials/2014/02/26/ontarios_auditor_should_investigate_spending_in_homecare_system_editorial.html posted:A major complaint? Some 60 cents of every dollar goes to Community Care Access Centre bureaucracy — rent, executive pay, patient assessment and the costs of the private companies that are contracted to provide home care. When executives draw huge paycheques and nurses are forced to deny care for elderly war veterans, the system is clearly broken.
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Heavy neutrino posted:At this point I'm honestly really annoyed by the skills training canard being used to distract from efforts to make essential but low-pay jobs earn a liveable wage. You don't fix the issue of retail service and garbage pickup paying like poo poo by training workers for better jobs unless you'd like to take your trash out to the dump site yourself every week. Nevermind the fact that part of the problem is that we've been pushing this idea that the path to economic success for everyone is to go to college/university/trades apprenticeship, and then everyone will have a good job. But you're right, there will always be a need for shelf stockers, cashiers, and burger flippers, and those jobs aren't always going to be staffed by teenagers 100% of the time. I also think that because entry-level retail work is considered to be where the failures end up, it can be difficult to talk about improving the lives of the people working those jobs. I think the general narrative around jobs like that is that everyone who has one wishes they didn't, so the solution is to get them out of there as fast as possible and into something better. There are some retailers who pay their employees well. Costco is always a go-to example, and I'm pretty sure the LCBO gives a decent wage. I know I've heard angry people complain that the kids at the LCBO get paid "too much", but it could be the  tax dollars angle more than the injustice of a shelf-stocker having the audacity to make more than 10 bucks an hour. I get the argument that increasing labour costs will put a financial burden on businesses that employ people. I get that. But nobody ever says, "hey, maybe diversify your business, or seek out new customers, or find another way to 'increase efficiency' rather than just cutting hours and letting people go." How many people can you lay off before you can't run your business anymore? A store needs employees, they can't all be replaced by self-service cash registers, as the memes would say. (And on that note, aren't those things more expensive than a minimum wage cashier in the long run? Don't they cost a year's salary or more to buy and install, and then they use electricity the whole time, and you have to pay an even more expensive person to fix them if/when they break?) Maybe I'm naive. I'll admit I've never owned or managed a business before. Never "created a job." I'm a taker, not a maker, a deckhand of industry. But a captain can't run an entire ship on his own. Also, as an aside, is there any place I can get some hard facts on what the Liberals have done re: the Drummond Report? Because I keep hearing that they've either enacted 80% of the suggestions or they've COMPLETELY IGNORED IT.
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The problem with the Drummond report was the 80-20 rule. You get 80% of the benefits from 20% of the suggestions, but those suggestions were stuff like gutting pensions. The other 80% were more along the lines of increasing efficiency at the departmental level.
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Leofish posted:Maybe I'm naive. I'll admit I've never owned or managed a business before. Never "created a job." I'm a taker, not a maker, a deckhand of industry. But a captain can't run an entire ship on his own. If you spend the money you earn, you are a job creator. Consumers create jobs.
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May 7, 2014 20:50
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Ikantski posted:I'm okay with retail jobs paying $25k a year, that sounds about right. I feel bad for the kids graduating university who can't find better work but I don't think raising the minimum wage to $15 so they get paid $30k instead of $25k solves that problem. Man, I wish retail paid $25k/yr. Even if you work 40 hours a week at the incoming minimum wage of $11, that's only $22,880. $12/hr would pay you $25k/yr, but considering no fulltimer in retail actually makes 40 hours a week, usually more like 37.5 hours due to unpaid lunch half-hours, you'd really need to make $12.80 an hour. $15/hr at 37.5 hours per week for 52 weeks is still only $29,250. Ain't no retail worker making that outside of Costco, man.
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Leofish posted:Also, as an aside, is there any place I can get some hard facts on what the Liberals have done re: the Drummond Report? Because I keep hearing that they've either enacted 80% of the suggestions or they've COMPLETELY IGNORED IT. Drummond himself did a pretty good writeup last year but I don't know if there's anything more current. http://www.theglobeandmail.com/globe-debate/drummond-reports-author-gives-ontario-budget-a-b/article11695564/
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Ikantski posted:Retail service isn't essential and being the person who helps kids find the tightest Chinese tight jeans doesn't benefit society at all. I'm okay with retail jobs paying $25k a year, that sounds about right. I feel bad for the kids graduating university who can't find better work but I don't think raising the minimum wage to $15 so they get paid $30k instead of $25k solves that problem. Why is it that a calculus of social benefit as a means of determining wage is only ever applied to poor people working lovely minimum wage jobs, and never to corporate lawyers, lobbyists, marketers and wealthy capital owners? More importantly, why should we rely on your gut feeling to determine who does and doesn't get to live a worthwhile life? I guess the important part, however, is that your calculus is utterly wrong and if "people who help kids find the tightest Chinese jeans" collectively walked out of their jobs tomorrow, the country would be rocked by a recession the likes of which you've never seen. Everyone has an important part to play in the economy, and that includes welfare recipients whose checks go directly into the pockets of local business owners.
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Ikantski posted:Retail service isn't essential and being the person who helps kids find the tightest Chinese tight jeans doesn't benefit society at all. I'm okay with retail jobs paying $25k a year, that sounds about right. I feel bad for the kids graduating university who can't find better work but I don't think raising the minimum wage to $15 so they get paid $30k instead of $25k solves that problem. Increasing the minimum wage does help to solve the problem of minimum wage earners being paid very little, though.
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The knock on effects of tight Chinese jean selling college students collectively and effectively striking hilariously include revolution in a nuclear armed nation!
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In case you're still unsure about which small-business friendly, budget-balancing, job-creating strong leader you'd like to put in office, CBC just launched its Ontario elections vote compass
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May 8, 2014 02:45
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May 8, 2014 03:13
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Looks like the PCs don't have any vote-splitting to worry about.
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Ikantski posted:Why did that bug you? As an NDP representative they should use the proper terminology: Capitalist Parasite 
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Blade_of_tyshalle posted:
I win the Marxist sweepstakes so far, I'm both further up and further left than you. It's a shame that in the 'what do you think about the parties and leaders' section there's no question "How much of an idiot do you think this person is?"
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May 8, 2014 19:26
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I just noticed that this chart puts the PCs further to the economic right than the NDP to the economic left. That seems... dubious.
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DStecks posted:I just noticed that this chart puts the PCs further to the economic right than the NDP to the economic left. That seems... dubious. Uh, why? That seems entirely accurate.
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May 8, 2014 19:41
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With Horwath demanding handouts to car owners and refusing to say who she'll raise taxes on, I'm starting to wonder why the NDP is listed as being further to the economic left than the Liberals. edit: Right now, not in general.
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tagesschau posted:With Horwath demanding handouts to car owners and refusing to say who she'll raise taxes on, I'm starting to wonder why the NDP is listed as being further to the economic left than the Liberals. Probably because in theory and in Horwath's rhetoric they always talk about raising corporate taxes and things like that, they just haven't actually followed through with a coherent policy platform on the subject beyond "Don't tax the middle class!!!" "Leave small business job creators alone!!!" and "Auto insurance caps! ATM fee caps! Energy rebates! POPULISM RARGH!!!"
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Conservatives in Ajax are going loving nuts with the signs. I guess after creepy transplant Alexander up ended one of the few good Liberal MPs on the federal level, they are now trying on the provincial. Worst thing is they might win, people never learn.
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May 8, 2014 22:40
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Hey Nepean-Carleton! Take a walk on the WILD SIDE!
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May 8, 2014 23:06
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Wouldn't it be great if the libertarian party became A Thing and we got some vote splitting on the right again? (it would be better if we had some form of PR, but I dream small)
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Libertarianism seems like it would be a tough sell in a country where tampering with the socialized healthcare system is political suicide.
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Leofish posted:Hey Nepean-Carleton! Take a walk on the WILD SIDE! That rear end in a top hat lives down the street from me. I can guess where he works.
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Well.quote:BARRIE — Progressive Conservative Leader Tim Hudak says a Tory government would cut 100,000 jobs from the Ontario public sector. All ministries except health would see cuts. 10% fewer teachers, which he says can be done by increasing class sizes.  2014 PC campaign, May 7 2014-May 9 2014.
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Would save 2 billion, and remove 100k middle class jobs from the economy, who will all go on to be successful [REDACTED].
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Pinterest Mom posted:Well. It's funny because this is right out of Rob Ford's playbook. First budget of his admin in Toronto, he demanded all departments cut budgets by 10%. It has been considered a disaster, all it did was make everyone understaffed and piss every employee off.
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