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May 16, 2009

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Zaphod42 posted:

Yeah its insane.

To give you an idea, here's what that wagon looks like from any angle other than where the camera was:



poo poo picture, best I could find on short notice, sorry.

And here's what that loving dinner table looks like. Remember, the movie version is rectangular and rounded.



Here's a video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V3ZiHEQimwE

:aaa: This is amazing. I never actually liked Peter Jackson's LotR movies much either but this is some seriously impressive work.

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May 16, 2009

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Murphy Brownback posted:

Happy Gilmore and Billy Madison are the only Adam Sandler movies that exist to me. All the newer stuff he has been making has been pretty universally terrible. Click was OK I guess though despite the extreme heavy-handed way it bashed you over the head with the "this is where we want you to cry evry tiem" scenes. It's up there with the beginning of "Up" on my list of scenes i'm irrationally irritated about when people gush about how amazing they are.

Wait, people actually gush about Click? That would be pretty rationally irritating.

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Henchman of Santa posted:

Same with Funny People, which is underrated. Reign Over Me was decent too. But I think "Adam Sandler movies" implies Happy Madison productions.

I also have a soft spot for Mr. Deeds.

I thought Anger Management was pretty good too. Adam Sandler's put-upon schlemazel persona is a lot more enjoyable than his other stock characters and he's in great form here, as is Jack Nicholson.

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Gaunab posted:

The ending of Anger Management was irritating to me. Finding out his girlfriend set it all up was stupid.

Agreed, but this is kind of like complaining about the plot of a porno. Here's the story of Anger Management: Adam Sandler is a lovable loser and Jack Nicholson is a creepy weirdo. Everything else is just an excuse to allow them to do what they do best.

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May 16, 2009

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thespaceinvader posted:

There's no US military because they didn't loving want the US military to have script approval.

Is that a thing for all depictions of US military? I thought that was just if you wanted their cooperation, which seems less relevant now that you can just CGI some jets in.

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May 16, 2009

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PhazonLink posted:

the voice actress for Babs got creepy poo poo from some furry incel. The Animaniacs even makes fun of it with their "1-800- get a life" joke bit.

the internet/human race has always been stupid.

e: The Animaniacs also used a clip from a JanSixer saying "pushed me out and maced me."

fwiw basically everyone involved says that the stalker bit got blown out of proportion. the official line is that WB already had Animaniacs in the works and the response both from the creative teams and test audiences was enough to get Tiny Toons axed so that they could put all their resources towards Animaniacs.

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May 16, 2009

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Men in Tights lands plenty of jokes IMO, they're just mixed in with a lot of stinkers. If you don't mind the really bad ones it's pretty entertaining, but it's easy to see how they could ruin it.

HopperUK posted:

That's why Prince of Thieves works so well IMO , it knows exactly what it's doing. The only real misstep was having Costner even try an accent. When he gives up he gets much easier to listen to.

Does it? I always thought it was mostly just Alan Rickman knowing exactly what it's doing

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May 16, 2009

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DrBouvenstein posted:

That reminds me of how much I didn't like the inciting event in Captain America: Civil War.

it's deemed Wanda/The Avengers fault that a few dozen people die in the explosion. But had she done nothing, potentially HUNDREDS would have died in the market when Crossbones blew himself up.

And if you want to make the argument that "well, if The Avengers didn't try to be the "World Police" and chase him down in a sovereign country, there would be no explosion"... I guess, yeah, but had they not tried to stop Crossbones at ALL, then he'd have a horrible viral weapon to either have the remaining Hydra agents use, or just sell to other terrorist organizations. And then on top of that, Iron Man was right...they kind of DO need some sort of control/registration. Militaries/the UN/NATO does, and you can make plenty of valid arguments about how a lot of countries, especially America, kind of ignore/skirt around those things, at least in theory there's SOMETHING. Especially since in the end, you know it was REALLY more about how Cap was just trying to save Bucky and didn't want Iron Man to know the secret of how his parents were killed.

As bas as the comic Civil War event was, it at least was a little better in that regard because a villain blew himself up and destroyed, among other things, a SCHOOL and killed hundreds of kids...and it was because the "heroes" were filming a loving REALITY SHOW about being "heroes." Like...THAT'S something to get upset about, because you have to ask questions like:
1) Did the incitement of being on camera for both heroes AND villains cause them to behave differently? More dramatically, perhaps?
2) And if there was no show, would the heroes have even fought the villains at ALL that day/time?

The Civil War movie hosed up by making the entire setup unnecessary to the actual plot, which is that Cap wants to rescue an international super-terrorist because of a personal friendship while many of the Avengers want to bring him to justice. Bam, that's your civil fuckin war. They could have blown up T'Chaka 5 minutes in and cut everything else up until that point and had a much tighter, more coherent movie, but they had to waste a bunch of time hemming and hawing about some accords so that they could vaguely tie the movie to a largely unrelated story from the comics.

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May 16, 2009

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christmas boots posted:

Thing is, I think more of the avengers would be sympathetic to Cap’s motivations if it weren’t for the bigger context.

Sure, that's why there's 5 minutes of Cap and Tony watching the U.N. debate how naughty the Avengers are and Tony getting sad about collateral damage before the bomb goes off. Nobody actually gives a poo poo about the paperwork.

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May 16, 2009

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FFT posted:

Isn't there a movie about Tetris coming soon?

It was a "making of" movie about the legal battles surrounding the international release, sadly we never got a buddy movie starring L block and Z block (the good one, not the other one)

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May 16, 2009

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DrBouvenstein posted:

WOW, didn't know we had a block racist here.

you knew exactly which one I was talking about because you tacitly agree

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May 16, 2009

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Ghost Leviathan posted:

The Kitty Genovese story if that's what you're thinking of is a fabrication, for the record.

People have gotten used to the false narrative and find it comforting despite being harmful propaganda. It's like Stockholm Syndrome but for facts

:thejoke:

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dr_rat posted:

The more dramatic the loading the more serious they are. So obviously hey should of used a muzzle loaded canon, so they could of spent three minutes sponging the barrel, priming it, loading and dampening the powder and loading canon ball, to you know show how super serious they are.

This feels like it should have been a Naked Gun gag.

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dr_rat posted:

Well you say that, but then they really shortly after they brought him back, just to check how audiences would take it I guess, as I assume that wasn't widely well received as they haven't tried again since then. :shrug:

I hate it when they end on an obvious sequel hook and then just launch endless spinoffs.

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May 16, 2009

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Huh, I always assumed the 1990 Captain America was made by someone trying to hold onto use-it-or-lose-it film rights, but looking it up apparently someone truly earnestly wanted to make this? Wild.

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Facebook Aunt posted:

He murdered some folks and his unstable fuel was likely to kill thousands or millions more if he wasn't stopped.

It's a matter of how you value human life vs. the particular paint molecules Leonardo da Vinci touched. The image isn't lost either way, just some paint molecules. In the event of a civilization crash bad enough to destroy all the high resolution scans and prints the original bit of wood and paint would surely be lost too. The original being worth $texas while the nice reproductions are affordable is a capitalistic value judgement.

Of course she could also have destroyed him by murdering him and going to jail. Presumably the accomplices would have ended the fuel project if he wasn't around any more to push it. Would killing a man and destroying a school teacher's life have been less harm than burning an object?

Killing him means he never gets exposed as a dangerous fraud and continues to be an aspirational example. Torching the Mona Lisa doesn't end capitalism but it's about more than just a single billionaire, it's about puncturing the entire mythology of the visionary tech CEO.

Whether that justifies destroying a priceless cultural artifact is debatable, but it's very much his fault that this is an option in the first place.

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dr_rat posted:

Not saying he didn't do some amazing and incredibly skillful work after that, but yeah from than on, but what he did do was orders of magnitude less risky. Jesus when you hear about how little safety prep was done on his crazy Honk Kong era stunts :gonk:

Police story: six foot leap off of a balcony railing to grab a metal pole covered in Christmas lights to slide down it five stories while the string lights are breaking all around it. One take, no trial runs, zero safety equipment.

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Cowslips Warren posted:

wasn't that the show with two divorced older ladies whose husbands had been having an affair for 20 years or something like that? Like the wives were unknowing beards their entire marriage. But the show tried to show them sympathetic because they couldn't be out.

I am sorry I cheated on you honey, and we built a life on a lie, but now I want to be free and get with the real love of my life, good luck with yours!

It sort of made sense for the more conservative couple because it was clear they neither liked nor loved each other and were just sort of there out of inertia and convenience, so in some sense it was for the best. But the hippie couple were crazy in love and the husband just yeeted himself out of the relationship with barely a look back (yeah, I'm sure there were a few plot points about having a hard time getting over his ex wife but you might watch him moping about it for like 10 minutes and then welp on to the new life!)

The most interesting part of the show was realizing that the actor playing the recovering addict was one of the kids in Empire Records and is basically playing the same character at a much later stage in life.

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Torquemada posted:

The spiderman one with 3 spiders-men was very popular, and not bad.

Unthinkable for Disney, but obvious to anyone with a basic grasp of common sense, they should have had a two or even three year content moratorium after Endgame. Nothing at all. Instead we got this sludgy transition of random bullshit that no one cares about.

Yeah, the general public just isn't super interested in sprawling infinitely serialized crossover stories. People were willing to flirt with the concept out of sheer novelty but then they wanted it to be over. The problem is that neither comics fans nor comics executives will ever understand this concept because they're already deeply invested in buying/selling sprawling infinitely serialized crossover stories.

Funnily enough this is also exactly what happened when they launched the Ultimate Marvel line twenty years ago as a dry run for the MCU. They promised a clean slate with real endings and no comics bullshit and it pulled in tons of new readers, but as the years went on the slate got less and less clean and the comics bullshit piled up and it died off.

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800peepee51doodoo posted:

I think the problem is more that no one in any of the Marvel movies ever acts like anything matters. Its all camera winking and quips. That's fine if the stakes are low but when you have world ending stakes the characters need to act like the world might actually end instead of sitting around making up funny names for the villains. If no one in the movie cares, why should I? I think thats something that the Spiderverse movies do better than most of the other Marvel movies - they have actual sincerity and act like poo poo matters. They give the audience a reason to care. The Sam Raimi Spider-man's are similar. They're sincere to the point of crossing over to corny in spots but it works really well. I just watched the first one again last night and the difference between that movie and what the MCU has become feels like night and day. The stakes are significantly lower but the tension is much greater because the actors (especially Maguire!), script, and direction sell it better. Also there's kissing and sexual tension and a distinct absence of blue beams from space, monster portals or hordes of faceless unreal engine asset store enemies for the "exciting" "climax". Seriously, go watch Spider-man it owns.

Hot take: I blame this on Robert Downey Jr. People really liked his Stark in the first Iron Man so the MCU leaned into that style of sarcastic, above it all smart alec quipping. They dialed it up to a billion by bringing in Joss Whedon (and to a lesser extent, Shane Black for IM3) and having everyone talk like that, all the time, no matter what was going on. Zack Snyder didn't do anyone any favors by making grimdark bummers that made the MCU look good by comparison so it seemed like a formula that would never lose. I really hope that poo poo has imploded and enough people are finally sick of it so maybe we can start having some new ideas for movies that possibly include humans feeling things and expressing emotions.


Adding to this, the stakes in Iron Man 1 were fairly small and personal. Yeah you don't want the bad man to have the iron man tech but he doesn't want to destroy or conquer the world, he just wants to sell bigger guns to the people he's already selling really big guns to. Ant-man 1 went even quirkier and did pretty well because again, it's a relatively low stakes heist movie. So quirky assholes play well in low stakes action flicks. Then at the other end of the spectrum GotG also worked because the stakes are so huge and impersonal that they defy comprehension. Yeah theoretically the universe is going to be destroyed or whatever but it doesn't feel like a real threat on a human scale, not like blowing up a city. So there's actually a place for these types of characters and this style of writing, but it's not when you're trying to be genuinely dramatic.

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I'm not sure if self-awareness is the term. I think it's more to do with 1970s Britain having a more rigid hierarchy of class than America, so Basil can simultaneously be a pompous rear end in a top hat while also knowing that regardless of his opinion of himself he is factually outranked by the elite clientele he tries to woo. American takes on that sort of character aren't going to have the same simpering obsequiousness to their betters; there might be the occasional episode where they're trying to suck up to someone in particular, which will inevitably be used to contrast with their usual attitude and behavior, but it's not going to be an ingrained character trait.

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:lol: I read that description and thought "it can't be that bad, right? it must be something like she got sucked out a door and something exploded right outside to knock her back in."

:lol:

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BOOTY-ADE posted:

Absolutely...I grew up with Cosby as a kid & it sucked finding out all the gross poo poo he did. If Bob Ross, Mr. Rogers, or even Howie "Gizmo" Mandel had some weird secret damning stuff come out, I dunno how I'd cope :smith:

There was a big tell-all dump about Bob Ross a few years ago and the worst it came up with was that he was a ruthless businessman and a bit of a womanizer, so I doubt there's anything particularly heinous out there.

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tbh I kind of dig what Love Actually was going for with the concept of "here's love in all of its various forms, most of them are kind of hosed up but hey that's life." If they had made that more explicitly the messaging instead of trying to sell it as mushy true romance I think it would have been perfectly fine.

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Cowslips Warren posted:

best FF movie is still The Incredibles.

I don't understand why such a simple premise of the FF otherwise is so hard to do well. but then again, I said the same thing about the xeno Alien and Predator franchises, and here we are with more bad movies than good.

It's pretty simple, the FF are largely defined by their family dynamic and that's not something that action movie execs are interested in. The Incredibles was made as a family movie so it had no issues with that.

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Taeke posted:

I just started watching Killers of the Flower Moon and there's Native American dialogue and I have to choose between two sets of English subtitles:
One where the non-English lines are translated and subtitled but the English spoken bits aren't subtitled, or one where all the English spoken bits are subtitled but not the foreign parts, just [speaks Okage].

Who the gently caress thought that was a good idea? gently caress deaf people, they have to choose which parts they want to understand, I guess?

Time to hunt down some proper subs.

Oh. Huh. I thought that was a deliberate stylistic choice, since actual Osage conversations do get translated in the full subtitles.

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Stonehouse Beach posted:

What's meant by child-brain is closer to what would later be called neurodivergence, though in Dracula's case it's a change caused by death. The Stoker vampire isn't just a human with a bulleted list of physical pros & cons, they have fundamental differences in thinking and processing information. It's pointed out in the novel that if he'd just accumulated resources over the centuries he'd be unstoppable by now, but some stuff that seems obvious to us only occurs to him slowly.

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Fil5000 posted:

I genuinely don't mind that noone pays attention to all the lore, it's literally just the smug "tch, why did you think a CROSS would stop me" writing that annoys me. I can't think of a single thing that uses all the lore, the old Hammer films are probably closest but most ignore stuff like counting grains of rice. I don't think "can't cross running water" comes up especially often either

The original I Am Legend ran through the list of vampire weaknesses pretty thoroughly in its efforts to come up with pseudoscience explanations for all of them, although I can't remember if compulsive counting came up.

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Admiralty Flag posted:

Not the meme thread for once.

:smith:

It's just a scorpion, it's probably been dead for like 30 years.

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I think the idea is that most people don't want to die and are probably willing to buy a little extra time even if it's .unpleasant, maybe even with a desperate hope that something will happen to forestall the execution altogether.

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Grendels Dad posted:

There was one instance where he hit his wife but Iirc it was in the context of some massive character change. It got memefied into a core part of his character later on.

Supposedly it was never actually intended: the script called for Pym to wave his hands in exasperation and accidentally hit his wife without looking, and via some combination of misunderstanding the intent and trying to punch it up for drama the artist drew him straight up backhanding her face to face. Due to publishing deadlines it was determined that it would be easier to deal with the aftermath than to redo the art.

(It was not, in fact, easier to deal with the aftermath of making a superhero a wife-beater.)

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Angry Salami posted:

I mean, even without the hit, the context was that he was trying to hold his wife prisoner so that she wouldn't expose his plan to use a killer robot to attack the Avengers and then 'save' them so they'd get off his back about him attacking an unarmed enemy who'd surrendered in a previous issue.

So regardless of what was intended, it wasn't ever an issue that painted him in a good light.

Oh sure, hitting his wife accidentally when she's trying to talk him down off the ledge was always intended to be a bad guy moment, they just wound up overshooting the mark.

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Ultimate Marvel: what if we took all of the best ideas we have and all of the worst ideas we have and just throw em all in there

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Jen heir rick posted:

Dude, 2 minutes per book is fine. If you just want a list by some random you could read it in 30 seconds. I assume the guy is gonna summarize and justify why each book is on the list.

Maybe he could write down his explanations and make it a 5 minute read instead of a 30 minute watch.

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BiggerBoat posted:

Agreed. I couldn't believe what I was seeing, to be honest. It wasn't captivating enough to be a good action scene and was too stupid and unfunny to be campy, so it failed on both levels. Dear God that movie must have sucked. Glad I passed on it despite loving Michael Keaton.

I can almost see what they were going for but it's just agonizing. This should have been like a 10 second throwaway gag at most.

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They should shoot it like Jaws and spend the first 75% of the movie not actually showing Godzilla, just everybody's reactions.

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I just got through Blue Eye Samurai and it owns, but one I did have one IIMM: in the very first scene Mizu identifies the bad guy's pistol as being European manufactured and says it's too sophisticated to be a Japanese pistol, so it's established right off the bat that Japanese guns exist and are just inferior to contemporary European guns. Which is historically accurate from my understanding--Japan had enthusiastically embraced early guns when they were introduced but they had fallen somewhat out of favor by this point and didn't really keep up with advances in firearms. But for the rest of the show there is never a whiff of any Japanese firearms and guns are treated as an entirely new and revolutionary invention. I can accept a certain amount of historical liberty for dramatic purposes (or else I'd have a lot more to bitch about) but this one isn't even consistent with itself.

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Elissimpark posted:

Yeah, the whole plan about surprising the Shogun's forces with guns was irritating. Like everyone would just have forgotten about everything war-related that happened between the rise of Oda Nobunaga and the battle of Sekigahara.

I was also irritated with the number of times Mizu was gut-stabbed.

If anything it would have suited the show's themes even better to have some of Shogun's forces confidently march out with older generation matchlocks and get blown away by the coup forces having more and better guns. As it is the coup mostly just makes the Japanese look like idiots.

Shrugging off serious injuries is just basic action movie schlock and while I wish the show was better about it (especially since the first couple episodes actually did kind of pretend injuries had consequences) but at least it's in good company there.

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Phanatic posted:

There's another bit in the movie where they describe PFOA's structure and make it sound like chaining carbon atoms together is inherently toxic and the more carbons you have the worse the molecule is. C8? Eight whole carbons? Oh, that's bound to be bad for you.

Oh no! Weed has like 20 carbons, that's as bad as smoking 2 1/2 teflons :ohdear:

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