bonestructure posted:

I seem to remember that there was a family member of one of the dead boys who abruptly had all of his teeth pulled when the police announced that they were analyzing a bite mark on one of the bodies. There was a lot of weird stuff with that case.

a kitten posted:

Oh I hope I didn't give the impression that I thought there is much more than an infinitesimal chance that any of the accused had anything to do with the murder. I just don't like speaking in absolutes.

So that's it then huh? Three dead kids and no investigation because as far as the authorities are concerned they arrested and successfully prosecuted the "guilty" parties? What a loving disaster on every level.

And jesus, it's been 20 years since the whole terrible saga started.

stickyfngrdboy posted:

This whole sorry saga is a terrible indictment of the justice system in the US. Those boys are so clearly innocent that making them take Alford pleas rather than just exonerating them, and attempting to find the real killer(s), is beyond belief.

GOTTA STAY FAI posted:

We talked about cordyceps and nobody mentioned Instruction for a Help? Some shameful goons

A Pinball Wizard posted:

I really don't get why goons love this article so much. Just sounds like an instruction manual sent through Google translate and back to me.

Popular Human posted:

Did you read the whole thing?

FrozenVent posted:

poo poo started to get weird before he'd even died, his Wikipedia article goes into some details : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Stalin#Death_and_legacy

GOTTA STAY FAI posted:

We talked about cordyceps and nobody mentioned Instruction for a Help? Some shameful goons

Jack Gladney posted:

I've never seen this before, but it's so clever that I'm really sad that I can't read anything about its reception since archives went down.

Did everyone like it? I love how open-ended it is about which side was in the right.

Hardwood Floor posted:

Does anyone know the wiki article about human experimentation done without consent and funded by Proctor and Gamble? It was either that or Johnson and Johnson. Googling doesn't bring anything up for me for some reason.

Jack Gladney posted:

What details can you remember? Most human experimentation in the US was done by the CIA or the army, or by independent scholars funded by the military.

FrozenVent posted:

Isn't most of it done by pharmaceutical company, and a completely routine thing?

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Dr Robert Heath was Chairman of the Department of Psychiatry and Neurology at Tulane University in New Orleans from 1949 to 1980. He performed many controversial experiments involving electrical stimulation of the brain (ESB). In one procedure, Dr Heath wired up the pleasure centres of a gay man. During a three-hour session, the subject, code-named B-19, electrically self-stimulated his reward circuitry some 1,500 times.

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“During these sessions, B-19 stimulated himself to a point that he was experiencing an almost overwhelming euphoria and elation, and had to be disconnected, despite his vigorous protests."
[Moan, C.E., & Heath, R.G. Septal stimulation for the initiation of heterosexual activity in a homosexual male. Journal of Behavior Therapy and Experimental Psychiatry, 3, 23-30, 1972.]

Dr Heath believed that ESB could be used to "cure" homosexuality. Insofar as people prefer direct stimulation of the pleasure centres to having sex, ESB can "cure" heterosexuality too.

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Dr Heath's work on mind-control at Tulane was partly funded by the US military and the CIA. Dr Heath's subjects were African Americans. In the words of Heath's collaborator Australian psychiatrist Harry Bailey, this was "because they were everywhere and cheap experimental animals".

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In 1970, Robert Heath of Tulane University dreamed up a far more novel application of Olds and Milner's discovery. Heath decided to test whether repeated stimulation of the septal region could transform a homosexual man into a heterosexual...

By this stage of the experiment B-19's libido was so jacked up that Heath decided to proceed with the final stage in which B-19 would be introduced to a sexually-willing female partner. With permission from the state attorney general, Heath arranged for a twenty-one-year-old female prostitute to visit the lab, and he placed her in a room with B-19. For an hour B-19 did nothing, but then the prostitute took the initiative and a successful sexual encounter between the two occurred. Heath considered this a positive result.

Little is known of B-19's later fate. Heath reported that the young man drifted back into a life of homosexual prostitution, but that he also had an affair with a married woman. Heath optimistically decided that this showed the treatment was at least partially successful. However, Heath never did try to convert any more homosexuals.

DStecks posted:

Alpacalips Now posted:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MKULTRA

Back in the 50's, CIA agents wanted to learn how to control peoples' minds, so they dosed a bunch of people with powerful hallucinogens and played sick mind games with them. Some of these people were in mental institutes, others were prostitutes, homeless people or junkies. Some were even government workers suspected of spying. As someone who's experimented with psychedelics and had a handful of bad experiences, I can only imagine how horrifying it would be to suddenly lose your mind for no reason and then have a bunch of G-men interrogate you.

DStecks posted:

(MKULTRA was also the money behind Robert Heath's experiments.)

What's extra horrifying/depressing about MKULTRA, for my money, is that in the end the CIA just threw up its hands and said "Welp, I guess mind control doesn't exist", so billions of dollars were spent, hundreds of lives ruined, and who knows how many atrocities committed just to prove that The Manchurian Candidate was a work of fiction.

I think that's basically the ultimate objection to anybody who bemoans how much science could advance if not for ethics, because here's the thing: we've tried that, and it doesn't really teach us anything we couldn't have learned ethically (the only exception that comes to mind being the Nazi's hypothermia research, which is pretty ).

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The "Green Run" was a secret U.S. Government release of radioactive fission products on December 2–3, 1949, at the Hanford Site plutonium production facility, located in Eastern Washington. Radioisotopes released at that time were supposed to be detected by U.S. Air Force reconnaissance. Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) requests to the U.S. Government have revealed some of the details of the experiment.[1] Sources cite 5,500 to 12,000 curies (200 to 440 TBq) of iodine-131 released,[1][2][3] and an even greater amount of xenon-133. The radiation was distributed over populated areas, and caused the cessation of intentional radioactive releases at Hanford until 1962 when more experiments commenced.[3]

There are some indications contained in the documents released by the FOIA requests that many other tests were conducted in the 1940s prior to the Green Run, although the Green Run was a particularly large test. Evidence suggest that filters to remove the iodine were disabled during the Green Run.[3][4]

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Accounts vary as to the exact size of the pit. Reports describe a stone chasm somewhere between 12 and 40 feet deep. Some versions have the pit open for inspection, others cite the sole entrance as a hole in the ceiling through which horse manure and the occasional rope were dropped. What is known for certain is that the pit was filled with "vermin." Rats were part of the mix, but mostly it was just a big hole filled with insects. Stoddart served the next two years of solitary confinement in the Bug Pit.

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In 1842, the British soldiers Connolly and Stoddart were executed in front of the Ark Fortress in Bukhara. It was the grim finale to years of torture (for Stoddart - four years) in the Zindon prison located within the fortress. However, the most famous resident of Zindon was not a person, but a place: "the Bug Pit," a four meter deep hole, accessible only by rope. This bleak pit is where Connolly and Stoddart spent their time in Zindon, while guards poured scorpions, bugs, and rodents onto their heads.

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This was no ordinary prison, the Zindon prison has a special cell for the worst offenders that is lovingly referred to as the bug pit. This pit is roughly twelve feet deep and only accessible by a rope lowered down through a hole in the center of the ceiling. Into this hole the prison guards gingerly poured daily doses of scorpions, rodents and other vermin. Stoddart was to languish in this pit alone for a year.

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In October 1994 Tony Dutoit's infant son (Emmanuel Dutoit), aged three months, was killed at the group's centre in Morin Heights, Quebec. The baby had been stabbed repeatedly with a wooden stake. It is believed that Di Mambro ordered the murder, because he identified the baby as the Anti-Christ described in the Bible. He believed that the Anti-Christ was born into the order to prevent Di Mambro from succeeding in his spiritual aim.

A few days later, Di Mambro and twelve followers performed a ritual Last Supper. A few days after that, apparent mass suicides and murders were conducted at Cheiry and Salvan, two villages in Western Switzerland, and at Morin Heights — 15 inner circle members committed suicide with poison, 30 were killed by bullets or smothering, and 8 others were killed by other causes. In Switzerland, many of the victims were found in a secret underground chapel lined with mirrors and other items of Templar symbolism. The bodies were dressed in the order's ceremonial robes and were in a circle, feet together, heads outward, most with plastic bags tied over their heads; they had each been shot in the head. There was also evidence that many of the victims in Switzerland were drugged before they were shot. Other victims were found in three ski chalets; several dead children were lying together. The tragedy was discovered when officers rushed to the sites to fight the fires which had been ignited by remote-control devices. Farewell letters left by the believers stated that they believed they were leaving to escape the "hypocrisies and oppression of this world."

A mayor, a journalist, a civil servant and a sales manager were found among the dead in Switzerland. Records seized by the Quebec police showed that some members had personally donated over $CAD1 million to the group's leader Joseph Di Mambro. There was also another attempted mass suicide of the remaining members which was thwarted in the late 1990s. All the suicide/murders and attempts occurred around the dates of the equinoxes and solstices in some relation to the beliefs of the group.

SylvainMustach posted:

One I haven't seen posted here, or in the previous thread, is the Order of the Solar Temple.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Order_of_the_Solar_Temple

As a Freemason, this one unnerved me quite a bit largely because they, like other pseudo-masonic organizations, claimed a direct lineage to the original Knights Templar (if your curious, I'm of the opinion that there may have been links with the surviving knights and the stone guilds, the latter of which would open their membership to the public and become what we know of as Freemasonry today. contrary to pop-historians, I don't believe they influenced the Guilds but assimilated into them. Our Knights Templar, of which I'm a member, are simply a christian subgroup in the Masonic Family that applies the teachings of freemasonry on a more denominational level).

This, coupled with the fact that they were influenced, structurally to an extent (not so much philosophically) by the ceremonies and, early on, formalities of Freemasonry, along with the fact that they acted out every Conspiracy Theorists wet-dream of what they think Freemasons do. From Ritual Mass Murder/Suicide to infiltration of influential and wealthy people, along with members of law enforcement, leading to conspiracies, death and mystery.

This is made all the creepier by their hidden rooms in otherwise unassuming houses and the ritualized formations of pentagrams by those who had chosen to take their life for this cult.


The photograph below is of one of their abandoned ceremonial spaces.

Jack Gladney posted:

If you know about masonic stuff, could you tell if any of the details about Alan Robicheaux, a guy who has come up in this thread before?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HbKrY0HXOz0

He was a guy in his early 70s who disappeared without a trace, but then in 1991 his body was discovered in a secret vault he built under the porch. He shot himself while looking into a mirror and had arranged mirrors and porcelain figurines around himself before he did it. I've always wondered about this case because of the ritual details. Are any of them masonic (if you can say without getting into trouble), or was he just a dude headed toward dementia?

More details here:

http://files.usgwarchives.net/la/orleans/newspapers/00000531.txt

Jack Gladney posted:

If you know about masonic stuff, could you tell if any of the details about Alan Robicheaux, a guy who has come up in this thread before?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HbKrY0HXOz0

He was a guy in his early 70s who disappeared without a trace, but then in 1991 his body was discovered in a secret vault he built under the porch. He shot himself while looking into a mirror and had arranged mirrors and porcelain figurines around himself before he did it. I've always wondered about this case because of the ritual details. Are any of them masonic (if you can say without getting into trouble), or was he just a dude headed toward dementia?

More details here:

http://files.usgwarchives.net/la/orleans/newspapers/00000531.txt

Alpacalips Now posted:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MKULTRA

Back in the 50's, CIA agents wanted to learn how to control peoples' minds, so they dosed a bunch of people with powerful hallucinogens and played sick mind games with them. Some of these people were in mental institutes, others were prostitutes, homeless people or junkies. Some were even government workers suspected of spying. As someone who's experimented with psychedelics and had a handful of bad experiences, I can only imagine how horrifying it would be to suddenly lose your mind for no reason and then have a bunch of G-men interrogate you.

Ugly In The Morning posted:

And one of those subjects was the Unabomber, who was a bit of a weirdo at the time, but within normal levels of weird for "brilliant mathematician".

Not so much after, though.

SylvainMustach posted:

One I haven't seen posted here, or in the previous thread, is the Order of the Solar Temple.

DStecks posted:

(MKULTRA was also the money behind Robert Heath's experiments.)

GOTTA STAY FAI posted:

We talked about cordyceps and nobody mentioned Instruction for a Help? Some shameful goons

Gripen5 posted:

Honestly, in the last thread someone always used to say something to the effect of "this is way worse than anything else can't get over that," about just about every new topic someone brought up (obviously everyone has different feelings about what is the worst thing they ever read). But I always thought to myself "How can you say that when Unit 731 is on the first drat page."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unit_731

Basically.....

And now I need a break.

chthonic bell posted:

To be fair to the chemtrail people, a sentence I never thought I'd type, the US government did spray a few communities with chemicals, from the air, sometime in the 1950s, I believe.

David Icke is still a disgusting Nazi apologist, though.