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Random Stranger posted:I know some people who worked at Star City back in the 1960's and they claimed that the lost cosmonaut stories just aren't true. According to them it was a small community and no one knew anything about any deaths. Since they immigrated to the US decades ago I think it's safe to say that they weren't worried about being killed for saying otherwise. Besides, the real incident was much more horrible. Basically the first Soyuz flight was an absolute disaster. Nearly everything went wrong after it launched with faulty equipment in order to satisfy some political needs. Just about everything went wrong, cumulating in a mission abort. Then it was discovered that extremely shoddy workmanship had led to the the parachutes becoming tangled. (They were hammered into a smaller container to make them fit) and the ship hit the ground at nearly 140km/h (90mph) killing the pilot, Vladimir Komarov on impact. Some of the unnerving details are denied, but apparently evidence exists. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soyuz_1 Some unsavory details have floated around as well, as well as some unsettling photographs  http://www.npr.org/blogs/krulwich/2011/05/02/134597833/cosmonaut-crashed-into-earth-crying-in-rage
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mr. mephistopheles posted:Honestly those monkey studies, aside from being ethically horrific , gave a lot of insight into animal intelligence and social behavior. There's probably ways we could have learned that in a less morally depraved way, but it wasn't a completely worthless study where he just tortured animals for fun and we learned nothing. Apparently it put an end to the "hands off" approach to dealing with children that was popular at the time, and the theory that the child/mother dynamic was one purely of needs being fulfilled (food). Of course, after that when his wife died, he started getting into the nasty isolation stuff.
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Sebastian Vettel posted:I find this really spooky. What if you're eating a watermelon but it's really a vampire? I love the detail that they chase victims but aren't very good at it.
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RevSyd posted:Here's the definitive book on that scenario: Motel of the Mysteries, which is about a famous archaeological discovery in the year 4022. I remember this was on the shelf of my 7th grade english class. I also remember Barlowe's Guide to Extraterrestrials showed up during our science fiction unit. That was a cool class, though I didn't really notice it at the time.
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Wildeyes posted:That article is pure shameless disaster porn, but damned if I wasn't glued to it. This sent me into a really  hour last night as I searched for info on the sources for all this. There are some reenactments that are rather harrowing. You do have to sift through endless conspiracy websites to find legit info though.
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Dr. Tim Whatley posted:Please tell me murder cop is still on the force. Surprisingly he isn't! Truly, it was a different time.
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Syd Midnight posted:CVRs always have the added drama of a machine with so many safety warnings that it experiences Artificial Terror in its final moments, panicking and losing its poo poo right along with its crew. Always this, thats a really good way to put it. In many ways, after a few Mayday episodes, you start to feel like the crew is trying to hold things together while the airplane loudly freaks out about what is happening around it.
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C.M. Kruger posted:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_Shuttle_abort_modes#Return_To_Launch_Site_.28RTLS.29 To be entirely fair, by the end of the program, they had enough data to say for certain it would have been successful. Additionally, worries about hypersonic retropropulsion turned out to have been somewhat overblown (thanks SpaceX). Still, the act of flipping a Space Shuttle around and killing posigrade velocity in the upper atmosphere is some seriously touchy stuff. If anything, it shows how drat unsafe the shuttle was, especially prior to Challenger. Sometimes when people complain about NASA being too "safety oriented" they forget that "not safety oriented" meant strapping 7 astronauts into a giant spaceplane with literally no provision for anything besides a happy runway landing, no parachutes and no pressure suit because it was too drat expensive to design the thing with the capability of safe escape. 
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Kanine posted:isnt there an SA thread from 9/11. Found the archived snapshots of the forums from 9/11: http://www.truegamer.net/SA_911/911%20SATHREAD/
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Groovelord Neato posted:They didn't need to go into the gory details but go into the fact they survived the initial disintegration is important. The fact there was no "out" for the astronauts in the case of such a failure where the crew cabin survived a disintegration is pretty important. poo poo the documentary went into the gory details of the state of the bodies when they found the crew cabin. To be fair, there wasn't any "burned alive" (Pick) since there was no fireball. It doesn't make it any better but it make it a degree less horrific than all that happened + burning alive. Its insane that even the minimal change of having parachutes+pressure suits on the crew might've allowed maybe one or two of them to escape a tumbling cockpit since it wasn't rotating very quickly. You might be able to make an argument for that for Columbia's breakup, but the actual deaths in that case was due to extreme G forces as the vehicle broke up and all of them were killed pretty fast by the unrestrained head movement breaking the neck during the first ten seconds of breakup. Still an eternity, but at least they were gone in that case before the pressure vessel was breached.
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TorpedoFish posted:
In a “fun” aside, that conclusion helped shape the consensus that the Space Shuttle needed to be either fully-recertified and redesigned for safe operations or retired outright. Which led to the conclusion that the program should be ended since it was not possible to make it safe. Thankfully those failure modes don’t really crop up as much with non-space plane designs, though SpaceX’s starship is going to return to the tile TPS/no Abort System combo in a different configuration. That also must endure landing on several other planets, long thermal soak in deep space, and back to Earth as well as repeated (airliner frequency) launches. So maybe it’s not a dead possibility after all.
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