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The chemtrails talk reminds me of a recent incident in Illinois, where a crop duster sprayed fungicide over a corn field where a group of teenagers were detasseling the corn. http://www.stltoday.com/business/lo...16b58073ef.html I detasseled corn as a teenager, my friends detasseled corn - its a very common summer job for teenagers in the corn belt. Everyone sprayed came out of the situation alright, but the thought of being sprayed by chemicals while you work in an open field off nothing other than a dumb mistake is pretty scary.
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For anyone interested in the dyatlov pass incident, I'd recommend "Dead Mountain: the untold true story of the dyatlov pass incident." Its fairly recent and written by an American who traveled to Russia and went on the same path the hikers took. It's a mix of modern interviews, the travel, and translated journals of the hikers who died as they took the trip. He comes to a pretty convincing conclusion of what likely happened that doesn't involve the usual explanations of conspiracies, murder, or aliens. Was a really good read and a great summary of the incident.
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According to Dead Mountain (which is a great book on the incident I would definitely recommend) Georgy and Dereshenko were in the habit of sewing matches into their clothes in order to keep them dry. It's probably lucky they got a fire going at all, but then cedar can be lit even when quite damp.
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Feb 19, 2015 00:38
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As weird as the sword and scale host is, I find his attitude towards the victims to be much more palatable than last podcast on the left where the tone in which they discuss the cases is more what you'd expect from some drunk college students discussing a bad horror movie. Also the podcast where zupansky interviews authors about true crime cases is very hit or miss - the audio quality and general interview skills of the authors vary so wildly that one episode you are listening to crystal clear audio from a trained speaker, and the next you have a guy saying the word "Uh" every 5 seconds while mumbling in what sounds like an airplane hanger.
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Lee Sandin's Essay "Losing the War" touches on this all, but I always found this part especially perceptive: "In the last years of the war, as Hitler's effective hold on power waned, contradictory orders about the camps began flying from different factions in the Nazi bureaucracy. The administrators and guards were told to begin treating the surviving prisoners decently, in the strange hope that this might buy their silence; then they were told to speed up the exterminations to obliterate the evidence. The latter faction won, but the truth was that neither course could have changed their fate. Even if they'd somehow succeeded in erasing the camps from history, they had too many other crimes to explain away. Of particular and growing concern were those millions of Soviet soldiers who'd been so casually murdered during the early months of the invasion -- because the Red Army was now advancing across the ruins of eastern Europe to take revenge. So while their colleagues fell into daydreams of imminent victory, the few remaining rational men of the Axis bureaucracy grew just as convinced that surrender to the Allies on any terms was tantamount to suicide. As far as they were concerned, every additional day the war lasted -- no matter how pointless, no matter how phantasmal the hope of victory, no matter how desperate and horrible the conditions on the battlefield -- was another day of judgment successfully deferred. This is the dreadful logic that comes to control a lot of wars. (The American Civil War is another example.) The losers prolong their agony as much as possible, because they're convinced the alternative is worse. Meanwhile the winners, who might earlier have accepted a compromise peace, become so maddened by the refusal of their enemies to stop fighting that they see no reason to settle for anything less than absolute victory. In this sense the later course of World War II was typical: it kept on escalating, no matter what the strategic situation was, and it grew progressively more violent and uncontrollable long after the outcome was a foregone conclusion. The difference was that no other war had ever had such deep reserves of violence to draw upon. The Vikings would have understood it anyway. They didn't have a word for the prolongation of war long past any rational goal -- they just knew that's what always happened. It's the subject of their longest and greatest saga, the Brennu-njalasaga, or The Saga of Njal Burned Alive. The saga describes a trivial feud in backcountry Iceland that keeps escalating for reasons nobody can understand or resolve until it engulfs the whole of northern Europe. Provocation after fresh provocation, peace conference after failed peace conference, it has its own momentum, like a hurricane of carnage. The wise and farseeing hero Njal, who has never met the original feuders and has no idea what their quarrel was about, ultimately meets his appalling death (the Vikings thought there was nothing worse than being burned alive) as part of a chain of ever-larger catastrophes that he can tell is building but is helpless to stop -- a fate that seems in the end to be as inevitable as it is inexplicable. For the Vikings, this was the essence of war: it's a mystery that comes out of nowhere and grows for reasons nobody can control, until it shakes the whole world apart."
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Aug 24, 2016 18:59
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From the assorted things I have read, Donald Trump considers Barron to be the child most like himself and the most likely heir to his business dealings. Which is sort of odd given how young the kid is, lot of expectations. There was at least one person on twitter claiming Donald hit Eric Jr. back in college for the offense of wearing a yankees jersey to a world series game rather than a tuxedo. But well, gossip.
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Punkin Spunkin posted:Really??!?!!? Yeahhhh. The ultra-christian facade aside, I could picture more than half of the people interviewed in this family as being the perpetrators of that "I planted drugs in a PTA members car to get back at them for a perceived slight against my child" case that happened in the same area.
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Oct 17, 2017 03:46
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It's not about the character of any of the family involved that were taken in by his act, as the ones that struck me most clearly as Orange County Wealth were the older daughters who hated him instantly. It comes through more in the first ep where so much of the focus on what was off about him were things like "his clothes are tacky, he eats fast food a lot" rather than more glaring examples like a doctor claiming to have killed five people in Iraq. No one deserves to be in an abusive relationship, but that suspicions were raised more by snobbery than the pile of obvious lies even to the people that saw through his act is just something else.
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Oct 17, 2017 23:24
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While the thread is on authors who got away with terrible things, William S. Burroughs made his career after murdering his wife Joan Vollmer Allen in Mexico. He and his friends at first reported it as him trying to demonstrate his marksmanship in a William Tell manner by placing a shot glass on her head and attempting to shoot it off, but missing and shooting her in the head due to intoxication. It's widely suspected that his wealth was used to bribe Mexican officials into leniency. He returned to the US, being sentenced in absentia to manslaughter and given a two year suspended sentence. His works are still celebrated and Joan Vollmer's murder is really just remembered as something that spurred him to write. http://www.jenniferberube.com/the-death-of-joan-vollmer-adams-burroughs/ "Joan Vollmer Adams Burroughs (Feb. 4, 1923 – Sept. 6, 1951) was buried in Mexico City. Years later, in the introduction to Queer, Burroughs wrote, “I am forced to the appalling conclusion that I would have never become a writer but for Joan’s death… so the death of Joan brought me into contact with the invader, the Ugly Spirit, and maneuvered me into a lifelong struggle, in which I had no choice except to write my way out.”"
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Probably the most harmful thing to result from the sexual liberation movement in Europe was Denmark legalizing the production and sale of pornography in 1967 - without any real oversight or restriction. It was legal there to produce and distribute child pornography until 1980. The early sexual liberation movement and field of sexology had a lot of very hosed up ideas about children and sex, especially in Europe. "Rodox/ Color Cinema has been linked to an estimated 100 million magazines and 10 million films since they started production of child pornography publications from their Copenhagen base in 1975. Much of this was adult in content, but they produced a vast array of child pornography to meet burgeoning demand. One expert described the brothers’ 36-series ‘Lolita’ films as ‘‘exclusively . . . pictures of young girls being sexually abused, primarily by men but sometimes involving women and other children’’. The age-range of victims was primarily 7-11, but often younger. The series included unambiguous titles such as loving Children, and Little Girl Sex. A decade after the Lolita series was made, US Customs were attributed with claiming that the Theanders’ child porn films were the most widely traded of such films into the vast US market. The business made the brothers multi-millionaires. By the time the Danes made the production of child pornography illegal, the industry had made numerous people vast sums of wealth through the creation of images of children being sexually abused, and the distribution for sale of millions of magazines and films reputed to remain in circulation among paedophile networks around the world today." http://www.irishsalem.com/international-controversies/denmark/danesfirst-childpornography-28oct07.php
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iirc from previous digs into the topic it was quite legal to produce child pornography with the permission/legal agreement of the parent/guardian of the child(ren) involved. I'm sure you can imagine the sterling people that would sign their children up for this and be re-assured.
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Human Tornada posted:Does anyone know the case where a woman was being stalked, and I can't remember what happened to her, but in one instance she heard someone climbing on the roof and there was brief security camera footage of an unidentified person hanging around her car in the driveway? Sounds a lot like Morgan Ingram. Which is an odd story and most likely not a murder, but def fits in this thread. So Morgan Ingram was 20 years old when she died of an overdose of a prescription medication she was taking. Prior to this her mother had been making calls to the local police about a man stalking her daughter, climbing on the roof, and lurking around the property for months prior. The family set up a bunch of video cameras that briefly recorded someone walking behind a car at night, but otherwise nothing else in the three months of multiple cameras being up. Police never found any evidence either. The mother made all of the complaints to the police, allegations of stalking, and seemingly used it as a reason to keep her daughter from leaving the house. Her mother maintains that a neighborhood man broke into the house without being caught on camera, went unnoticed by the dogs or anyone else in the house, snuck into Morgan's bedroom and forced her to swallow an entire bottle of her own prescription medication before leaving unnoticed. Her mom keeps a website and got attention by going onto the Dr. Phil show at one point. She also got some attention in the past because people from websleuths heard about it and were initially supportive, then started finding holes in the narrative, at which point the mom started a harassment campaign and death threats to people involved in the forum. tl;dr: Morgan Ingram likely committed suicide, probably in part due to a controlling/paranoid mother that kept her confined and frightened in the months leading up to it. http://morganingram.com/wordpress/
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The POW/MIA talk makes me think of Clyde McKay, whose remains were returned to the US and identified in 2005. In 1970 Mckay was serving as a merchant marine on the SS Columbia Eagle, which was contracted to deliver military supplies to the US military in Vietnam. The supplies included explosives, munitions, and napalm. Mckay and another sailor named Alvin Glatkowski objected to the use of napalm as a tool of war and took the ship's hostage captain at gunpoint with the intent of sailing the ship to neutral harbor in Cambodia where they would claim asylum. After forcing the captain and the other sailors into lifeboats, they arrived to Cambodia where a recent right-wing coup backed by the US had ended the nation's neutrality. They were arrested spent time on a Cambodian prison ship before parting ways. Glatowski surrendered to the US embassy and was convicted of mutiny, kidnapping, assault, and neglect of duty. He was convicted of all and served out his sentence. McKay escaped the Cambodian prison and went north to join the Khmer Rouge fighting the new Cambodian government. He made it and attempted to join the Khmer Rouge, who were suspicious that he was working for US intelligence, but they allowed him to join while keeping a close eye on him. That didn't last long as when he was ordered to perform some labor in the camp he told the Khmer Rouge officers that as a fellow revolutionary he wouldn't take or give orders. The Khmer Rouge then promptly executed him.
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When McKay originally diverted to Cambodia, it was the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kingdom_of_Cambodia_(1953%E2%80%9370) , a neutral monarchy. By the time he arrived it was the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khmer_Republic , a US-friendly coup government McKay went north to join the Khmer Rouge in 1971 during the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cambodian_Civil_War . The Khmer Rouge would go on to conduct a genocide after they had won the civil war, but at the point McKay went to join they were just communist guerillas to him.
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chitoryu12 posted:I like stuff that can be connected to an interesting real world area or legend, instead of just interchangeable fictional small towns in the Midwest. little late, but https://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/news/2015/07/01/van-meter-remembers-1903-visit-from-winged-monster/29583469/ Is one of the odder ones out of Iowa. A bunch of people in a small town saw and attempted to shoot a large humanoid figure with bat wings that was around the town and spotted multiple times over a few nights. Otherwise it is the definition of small forgettable Midwestern town.
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fruit on the bottom posted:I can’t help but wonder if he was hoping the seat would kill him too, at least on some level I read that and thought the same thing. It reads exactly like Sterling came back from the war fey. "Another Viking term was "fey." People now understand it to mean effeminate. Previously it meant odd, and before that uncanny, fairylike. That was back when fairyland was the most sinister place people could imagine. The Old Norse word meant "doomed." It was used to refer to an eerie mood that would come over people in battle, a kind of transcendent despair. The state was described vividly by an American reporter, Tom Lea, in the midst of the desperate Battle of Peleliu in the South Pacific. He felt something inside of himself, some instinctive psychic urge to keep himself alive, finally collapse at the sight of one more dead soldier in the ruins of a tropical jungle: "He seemed so quiet and empty and past all the small things a man could love or hate. I suddenly knew I no longer had to defend my beating heart against the stillness of death. There was no defense." There was no defense -- that's fey. People go through battle willing the bullet to miss, the shelling to stop, the heart to go on beating -- and then they feel something in their soul surrender, and they give in to everything they've been most afraid of. It's like a glimpse of eternity. Whether the battle is lost or won, it will never end; it has wholly taken over the soul. Sometimes men say afterward that the most terrifying moment of any battle is seeing a fey look on the faces of the soldiers standing next to them. But the fey becomes accessible to civilians in a war too -- if the war goes on long enough and its psychic effects become sufficiently pervasive. World War II went on so long that both soldiers and civilians began to think of feyness as a universal condition. They surrendered to that eternity of dread: the inevitable, shattering resumption of an artillery barrage; the implacable cruelty of an occupying army; the panic, never to be overcome despite a thousand false alarms, at an unexpected knock on the door, or a telegram, or the sight out the front window of an unfamiliar car pulling to a halt. They got so used to the war they reached a state of acquiescence, certain they wouldn't stop being scared until they were dead. It was in a fey mood that, in the depths of the German invasion, Russian literary scholar Mikhail Bakhtin took the only copy of his life's work, a study of Goethe, and ripped it up, page by page and day by day, for that unobtainable commodity, cigarette paper. It was because feyness poisons ordinary life that British writer Walter de la Mare could in 1943 begin a poem about the English countryside with the line "No, they are only birds" and not bother to say what he'd first thought they were. Everyone knew; they had learned the reflex of sudden terror, followed by infinite relief, triggered by the sight of small black forms moving quickly against a bright sky. And it was out of a fey despair that French composer Olivier Messiaen, while in a POW camp, wrote a work that may best define the war's particular horror. He scored it for the only instruments available -- two violins, a clarinet, and a battered upright piano -- and it received its world premiere before an audience of prisoners (the most attentive and respectful audience Messiaen said he'd ever had). It isn't a composition filled with nostalgia for what the war had destroyed or hope for what might survive; it gravely moves from bizarre turbulence to an agonized stillness, a prayer for relief from life and the cruelty of hope. Quatour pour la fin du temps, he called it, "Quartet for the End of Time." " from a favorite work, http://www.leesandlin.com/articles/LosingTheWar.htm
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I don't know if anyone else that follows the In The Dark Podcast on the Curtis Flowers case saw, but the supreme court made a 7-2 ruling in his favor finding that there was a racial pattern of excluding black jurors that hampered him receiving a fair trial. His death sentence has been overturned, but even this means he might face a fuckin SEVENTH trial  https://www.apmreports.org/story/2019/06/21/curtis-flowers-wins-scotus-appeal
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So most you in the thread are probably familiar by now with the recent killing of a group of mormons by a Mexican drug cartel, https://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-50314700 targeting women and children. The group of mormons and catholics known as "Colonia LeBaron" is described as "The victims were members of a community called Colonia LeBaron which was founded by a breakaway Mormon group in the first half of the 20th Century after the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints in the US started cracking down on polygamy. The mainstream Mormon Church publicly rejected polygamy - the custom of having more than one spouse at the same time - in 1890 and after that some groups who wished to continue the practice broke away. The Colonia LeBaron community now includes both Mormons and Catholics who have settled there. Members are known for standing up to local drug gangs and speaking out about the high levels of cartel violence. It has about 3,000 members, some of whom practise polygamy. While local media say the convoy of cars may have been mistaken for that of a rival gang, the LeBaron community has been targeted by the cartels in the past. In 2009, Erick LeBaron was kidnapped for ransom. The community took a stand and said it would not pay for his release as that would just encourage future kidnappings. Erick LeBaron was eventually released without a ransom being paid. But months later, his brother Benjamin was beaten to death. Benjamin's brother-in-law was also killed." But the backstory is leaving out some real hosed up background. Much of the community is directly related to this fine man https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ervil_LeBaron who ordered the killings of at least 25 religious rivals, family members, and those trying to escape the community. A survivor's account of escaping the religion, also published by BBC, is found here https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-38526255 Not saying this was the cause of the attack, but it adds a whole lot of context that seemed to be missing.
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As far as true crime podcasts go, there is a very annoying/badly made one about a genuinely interesting missing person case https://upandvanished.com/ I'd just say listen to 10-15 mins if you can stand it and then listen to the very funny parody podcast https://www.stitcher.com/podcast/john-david-booter/done-disappeared that does an amazing job satirizing it and other poorly made true crime podcasts.
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