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acephalousuniverse
Nov 4, 2012

Dissapointed Owl posted:

Oh my god... did he just try to rhyme 'breath' with 'health'?

It's called slant rhyme motherfucker

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acephalousuniverse
Nov 4, 2012

snucks posted:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cecil_Hotel_(Los_Angeles)
A Los Angeles hotel near skid row, the site of multiple suicides and murders, the residence of two serial killers. Not the type of place most people would want to stay at.
Last year, after complaints of the water tasting funny, the naked corpse of a college student named Elisa Lam was found in the water supply tank. Hours before her presumed death, there's footage from the hotel's elevator of her:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3TjVBpyTeZM
Either she was hallucinating somebody really was out to get her.

She def had some kind of late onset schizophrenia or some poo poo but this video is so loving scary.

acephalousuniverse
Nov 4, 2012

Helena Handbasket posted:

Elisa Lam had bipolar depression and serious problems with insomnia - you can read her old tumblr, it kept auto-posting for a few months after she died. You can read about her last trip under the tags "Caliblah," including the fact that she a.) was planning to go to LA, despite the early reports that LA was not on her itinerary, and b.) missed a flight and had to spend the night in an airport not long before she died, which could possibly have triggered an episode.

I spent a few hours a while back reading through her stuff. She seems like she was a sweet young woman who was fighting mental illness and finally lost.

Hey thanks for this actual info, I didn't know stuff was out there.

acephalousuniverse
Nov 4, 2012

Hummingbirds posted:

I'm kind of surprised that Jones actually killed himself along with his congregation. Seemed like the type who would've razed the earth and moved on.

I think he was also fairly unstable himself. I mean obviously any cult leader is some kind of hosed up, but Jones was bipolar or something and his decision to have a mass suicide was definitely influenced by actual apocalyptic type feelings in his own mind. A lot of people feel legitimately infuriated that he took the easy way out (gunshot) compared to the agony of the people who drank the poison, though.

acephalousuniverse
Nov 4, 2012
People interested in Scientology HAVE TO read Going Clear by Lawrence Wright. It's the best book on the cult ever published and has so many incredible anecdotes, from Hubbard's early career as a weirdo in the navy, to the loving bizarre Sea Org days, to disturbing poo poo like The Hole, blackmailing and kidnapping celebrities, bullying governments into doing what they want, etc. It's a quick read too, well-written.

acephalousuniverse
Nov 4, 2012
The phrase "revolutionary suicide" is interesting because it's one of the phrases Jones took from the Black Panthers in order to target poor black people as converts for the cult:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revolutionary_Suicide

Of course the meaning of "revolutionary suicide" as Newton meant it wasn't literal mass suicide, obviously, but it's something to know in understanding the types of things Jones was doing.

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acephalousuniverse
Nov 4, 2012

bean_shadow posted:

Do you think that people like Tom Cruise and John Travolta really believe in this stuff?

One of the most fascinating things about Going Clear, the book, is the insight into Travolta and Cruise. Travolta's case is really sad and he's obviously been blackmailed into it for years and years; you get to pity him a lot.

Cruise on the other hand seems like both a true believer and a huge piece of poo poo.

As far as going after celebrities, their method there is less "kidnap and murder" as "collect every embarrassing detail in your file and threaten to release it and destroy your career if you cross us."

The church was popular in Hollywood because it legit could hook you up with real contacts and career opportunities, and take them away if it wants. And a lot of its techniques in the early stages are just basic confidence and improve exercises found in any acting workshop, with a layer of new agey psychic poo poo added.

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