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Grand Prize Winner posted:Can you really say that's 'most Cubans' though? Unless you're talking an Irish potato famine-style diaspora I'm willing to bet that most Cubans are in still in Cuba. That implies to me a lack of willingness to cross to the States. This is highly fallacious. If you lock someone in a box except for twice a day when you take her out to be beaten you can't say that women's rights in boxtopia are wonderful because all citizens, including women, in boxtopia are treated equally and that, furthermore, citizens of boxtopia must be delighted to live there because when you try to remove them they literally fight to stay. The real situation in Cuba is obviously not so extreme, I made that example only to illustrate the ridiculousness of statements along the lines of 'more cubans in cuba than in US? seems like they're doing some smart poo poo there in cuba'. To make a more accurate comparison: consider living on an island where it's illegal to leave the island and your family may suffer harsh consequences if you choose to leave. The reality of the situation undermines what a lot of people on both sides of the issue say. 'Look at all these wonderful people who want to leave, if we just didn't have communism in Cuba, it would be a wonderful place to live with no problems whatsoever' is also pretty absurd because what the situation in Cuba is really doing is siphoning off the best and brightest cubans and allowing them to flourish in a nation with infinitely more wealth than their home would have no matter how you alter the situation. Many of those people would have jumped at the opportunity to live in a nation with vast resources regardless of how Cuba was operated, but on the other hand there's no real denying that the situation pushes some of the best citizens who could make Cuba a better place out of Cuba. At the end of the day the question is really something along the lines of 'would you want to live in Florida if Florida wasn't in the United States of America' and the answer is pretty much 'no' unless you like being poor, hot and miserable. Also you have a King and you aren't allowed to leave Florida. Cuba isn't quite that bad, but it's still not anyplace you would actually personally choose to live if you were going to objectively look at places to be born and try to pick one where you have the best hopes of being recognized as a worthwhile human being and be able to work towards and succeed at your goals. That's not to say 'cuba sucks, US is great', there's more than enough bullshit on that side of the coin, as well. All I'm saying is that Cuba is a lovely little island nation and who the gently caress would want to live there on its own merits. The fact that the people there don't all leave is due to the fact that we don't get to pick where we're loving born and reality is often less than ideal.
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