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Occupation posted:Also the woman they have playing Catwoman looks loving weird as poo poo, like her whole face is some uncanny valley nonsense going on I just saw this thread, and yeah, this statement is so god drat true. Theres too much space between her eyes or something. Or maybe the still photos are just taken at weird angles?
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May 7, 2014 15:32
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Drifter posted:So you're thinking the kids will get aged up after a season or less and we'll get semi-adults after? That could work, I guess. They do have a pre-built time skip available to them if they want to use it (Bruce studying abroad and spending the next several years training with Lady Shiva or Ra's or whomever), so they could end a season with Bruce leaving the country, disgusted by Gotham, and have the next season pull from Year One and be set seven or eight years later.
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May 7, 2014 16:24
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Krad posted:That's bull, we're getting a freakin' Flash show, there's no excuse at this point. Flash is pretty cheap to make when you think about it. You just need blurr effects for when he's going fast, maybe CGI some effects like a tornado once in a while, then sometimes you need to drop cash on certain villains. It's not like say Green Lantern where you need a dump truck of money for the CGI to create his ring effect he uses all the time.
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May 7, 2014 20:31
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With a Flash series you get to play it all CSI too and add in the police procedural stuff to fill time/budget. Slapping a Lantern around the galaxy every week is bound to get expensive fast.
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May 7, 2014 20:41
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Shadoer posted:It's not like say Green Lantern where you need a dump truck of money for the CGI to create his ring effect he uses all the time. You mean giant foam hulk-hands to punch things with?
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May 7, 2014 20:48
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I do like the idea that Gotham might be in the same continuity as Arrow. I think I would like to see a DC Earth where Green Arrow is the experienced crime-fighting vigilante everyone knows and loves, and this little "Bat-dude" is the copycat character, adored by no one.
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May 7, 2014 20:51
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Also, gently caress you, Billy Batson.
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May 7, 2014 20:52
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Drifter posted:You mean giant foam hulk-hands to punch things with? Let's take a look at the special effects of Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N00xwYNweL0 (Even String Foo is painful to pull off)
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May 7, 2014 20:54
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Shadoer posted:Let's take a look at the special effects of Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman God I loved that show when I was younger. That and Sorbo's Hercules (Xena was cool, but I liked Iiolas better than Xena's sidekick).
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May 7, 2014 21:55
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Shadoer posted:That would be fine and I hope your right. However Selina seems like she's going to be featured prominently. I hope so. I always liked the Bruce Wayne-Selina Kyle dynamic and think it's perfect to put in a show like this. They are two extraordinary and resourceful people who were both shattered by the same city in their early childhood. One had the financial resources to brood on top of a hillside overlooking the city and decided he wanted to save it. The other slept in it's alleys and decided she was going to bash it's teeth out and look for gold fillings. I'd be down if they want to go all class warfare up in this show.
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May 8, 2014 14:06
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I really dont understand the people saying the trailer raised their opinion on this idea, it looks like fanfilm writing. ONE DETECTIVE "theres a ONE MISSION "This is war! we're at war!" ONE CRIME "The night is always darkest before the dawn something something" massive spider fucked around with this message at 14:14 on May 8, 2014 |
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May 8, 2014 14:09
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This is my highest hope for the show. edit- I agree with most in that I'm not sure how they walk this tightrope. Either it's a perpetual wink-and-nod to Batman without the payoff of him ever showing up, or you are basically doing a police procedural with a lot of corruption drama in the foreground? The former will have everyone's eyes rolling after a few episodes, while the latter is going to leave everyone wondering what they're watching. Fidel Cuckstro fucked around with this message at 15:28 on May 8, 2014 |
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May 8, 2014 15:18
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Slime Bro Helpdesk posted:This is my highest hope for the show. If it's the latter, why even tie it in to the Batman mythos?
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May 8, 2014 16:00
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Davros1 posted:If it's the latter, why even tie it in to the Batman mythos? The cynical answer would be that Batman draws a lot more articles and eyes than "new procedural #7" in the fall season previews...and maybe that's it. I just think that if that's the sole reason for doing it the show will just crash and burn after 3-4 episodes as opposed to no initial audience.
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Slime Bro Helpdesk posted:The cynical answer would be that Batman draws a lot more articles and eyes than "new procedural #7" in the fall season previews...and maybe that's it. I just think that if that's the sole reason for doing it the show will just crash and burn after 3-4 episodes as opposed to no initial audience. This is honestly the best option, though, because it suggests there's some idea driving things outside of the Batman references. If it could be its own show and totally drop the Batman connection, it presumably has themes and characters it wants to explore in its own right. I wouldn't mind a bait-and-switch if the product they switched in was actually good. Though, there are other known properties involving hard-boiled detectives or crime noir settings or whatever else they could have used, probably more cheaply or with less baggage than Batman. People have mentioned things like Seven, but even in a comic book setting there's Sin City, Dick Tracy, The Question, Max Payne, etc. The premise of a procedural in a corrupt, noir-inspired city is hardly untapped.
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May 8, 2014 20:04
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Krad posted:That's bull, we're getting a freakin' Flash show, there's no excuse at this point. We're getting a new Flash show!? Man, I used to love the old one when I was young and stupid.
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massive spider posted:I really dont understand the people saying the trailer raised their opinion on this idea, it looks like fanfilm writing. I think it has to do with the fact that a lot of people were expecting something along the lines of "abominable gently caress-up of cosmic proportions" and instead just got a crappy batman-themed show.
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quote:ENTERTAINMENT WEEKLY: My assumption has been that the reason this TV show can be done — rights-wise — is because Batman himself is not in it. That way, it doesn’t overlap with any films. Is that correct? That sounds a lot to me like "We want a comic book show but not too comic booky" which is a bad approach. And this one just gives me bad Smallville flashbacks. quote:Fox chief Kevin Reilly said the pitch version of the show was that the final scene of the series would be Bruce Wayne putting on the cowl. Is that right? http://insidetv.ew.com/2014/05/08/gotham-interview/ Also he said they will do The Joker. Which is not comforting news either.
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May 8, 2014 20:53
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Xealot posted:This is honestly the best option, though, because it suggests there's some idea driving things outside of the Batman references. If it could be its own show and totally drop the Batman connection, it presumably has themes and characters it wants to explore in its own right. I wouldn't mind a bait-and-switch if the product they switched in was actually good. It's a great option until all your initial audience quits because they were sold a Batman show and get a weird Wire-esque network drama.
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May 8, 2014 21:06
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Deadpool posted:That sounds a lot to me like "We want a comic book show but not too comic booky" which is a bad approach. Actually I think this is a good approach and instills me with more faith in the show. Usually a live action series trying to go "comic-booky" like Smallville did turns to crap. Deadpool posted:And this one just gives me bad Smallville flashbacks. Eh the point that he's pretty committed to featuring Gordon and not going down into Batman land is pretty good. Also that he recognizes the Joker as the "crown jewel" of the Batman universe is another point towards not loving up.
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May 8, 2014 21:27
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Deadpool posted:That sounds a lot to me like "We want a comic book show but not too comic booky" which is a bad approach. Ehh, maybe this somehow means there will be time jumps during the series and perhaps it will eventually become more Gotham Centralish?
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May 8, 2014 21:56
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ParliamentOfDogs posted:I hope so. I always liked the Bruce Wayne-Selina Kyle dynamic and think it's perfect to put in a show like this. They are two extraordinary and resourceful people who were both shattered by the same city in their early childhood. One had the financial resources to brood on top of a hillside overlooking the city and decided he wanted to save it. The other slept in it's alleys and decided she was going to bash it's teeth out and look for gold fillings. I'd be down if they want to go all class warfare up in this show. This might be the first time we have a less stereotypically sexualized Catwoman/Selina on our hands, people. Making history. I say that because hopefully she's too young to have to deal with that poo poo.
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Shadoer posted:Actually I think this is a good approach and instills me with more faith in the show. Usually a live action series trying to go "comic-booky" like Smallville did turns to crap. Smallville's problem was that it wasn't comic-booky enough, and the more comic-booky it got the better it got. If you want to make a tv show that is not comic-booky, you shouldn't base it on a comic-book.
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Deadpool posted:Also he said they will do The Joker. Yeah, everything I hear about this show just makes me more convinced it just isn't going to work.
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I’m not at all concerned. Actually I would [pauses ... considers] — yeah, in that area, I would say in terms of what [director and executive producer Danny Cannon and director of photography David Stockton] are doing — visually — Gotham will surpass the Batman movies. The movies are a very rigorous, kind of Germanic take on that world. They’re visually stunning, but not particularly visually pleasurable. I would say this is much more on the street level of Gotham. http://insidetv.ew.com/2014/05/08/gotham-interview/ Ha! I'll still watch though, hopefully it won't be hate watching.
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Pigbog posted:Smallville's problem was that it wasn't comic-booky enough, and the more comic-booky it got the better it got. If you want to make a tv show that is not comic-booky, you shouldn't base it on a comic-book. Really? In early Smallville the best parts of the show were Clarks relationship with Lex Luthor and Lex's relationship with Linole Luthor (Infact everything with Luthor senior was awesome). Also the only good villain was Linole Luthor. And Chloe was also pretty awesome. However almost all the "meteor freak" comic-esque badguys were terrible, virtually every villain they brought out to fight Clark from the comics was awful. By the end, when they had the most comic book moment possible, they had Clark punch Apocalypse the planet into the sun. No if this is a show that focus more on the psychology and origins of these villains as well as Gordon and Batman, I think it will be good.
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May 9, 2014 01:23
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Cardboard Box A posted:They would have to pay royalties to Brubaker and Rucka. For adapting a work for hire comic book that was comprised mostly of characters created by other people? DC is a division of Warner Bros, if you think they don't have media rights to all their comics locked up, you are mistaken.
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SimonChris posted:I don't understand why they aren't just doing a Gotham Central show. It's such a perfect premise for an original crime procedural. They're getting pretty close - both Renee Montoya and Crispus Allen will be in this new series. (Inevitably leading, one can only hope, to  and  by season five.)Also, in other DC characters news, NBC is going to have the Constantine series, starrisng a John Constantine who's actually blond and English. http://insidetv.ew.com/2014/05/08/nbc-constantine-to-series/ 
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Xealot posted:Yeah, I think you're right. I want an anthology-type show dealing with various Gotham citizens living in a city full of supervillains. Sort of like that one comic about the dry-cleaner who has to do work for gangsters that I remember reading once, I hope somebody knows what I'm talking about. Or that one TAS episode with the random shlub who everyone thinks killed Batman.
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May 9, 2014 03:44
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Occupation posted:So you want Marvels, then No, he WANTS Astro City, but TV can't understand what made it so good.
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Shadoer posted:Really? The reason the characters from the comics sucked was because the producers were afraid to fully commit to the idea. In the comic books Doomsday is not a sexy EMT, Brainiac is not a sexy professor, and Bizarro is not Clark Kent wearing a black shirt. Also Clark Kent is Superman, not "the red blue blur". They thought they were above the material, so their adaptions tried to strip away everything that made the material interesting in favor of playing it safe. Compare the approach Arrow takes to its villains. They're comic-booky as gently caress, but they're behaving more or less like they do in the comics. The reason people like these characters is because they're outlandish and over the top. Trying to divorce the Batman world from "comic-bookyness" is insane, there would be nothing left of the premise but the occasional oblique reference. If you don't like comic booky stuff, then why would you want to watch a show about Batman? What about that appeals to you?
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Xealot posted:Though, there are other known properties involving hard-boiled detectives or crime noir settings or whatever else they could have used, probably more cheaply or with less baggage than Batman. People have mentioned things like Seven, but even in a comic book setting there's Sin City, Dick Tracy, The Question, Max Payne, etc. The premise of a procedural in a corrupt, noir-inspired city is hardly untapped. A Dick Tracy show would be so good, if it actually stayed true to the comic and had all the freakish and disgusting villains and gruesome deaths and Tracy's utter indifference to it all.
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Going by the trailer, there's a nugget of a good show in here, but actually capitalizing it would require excising all of the Young Batman/Young Rogues Gallery elements. Adapt Gotham Central with, if you must, a Jim Gordon who is in his 40s, not his 50s (Gary Oldman) or 30s (Ben McKenzie) and some of the Gotham Central detective cast (Renee, Crispus, Romy, Marcus and Josephine). Primary focus can be a police procedural with serialized elements related to the endemic corruption in the GCPD, all wrapped up in the context of a city where Batman and the freaks that he comes to blows with exist. I just don't see any situation where having Young Poison Ivy, Riddler, Penguin etc. hanging around can result in positive things for a series. And nevermind Batman being a snotty 11 year old boy. I'll still probably be watching this, but more to see a live action Renee Montoya and Crispus Allen on screen (and not that goddamn "Detective Ramirez" in the Nolan films). Hopefully it doesn't suck too badly, but the premise is flawed at its core. Mars4523 fucked around with this message at 05:29 on May 9, 2014 |
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Mars4523 posted:Hopefully it doesn't suck too badly, but the premise is flawed at its core. One of the biggest issues I have is that by its very nature as a prequel things can NOT get better. Gordon can eke out little personal victories here and there but for the most part things just have to continue to get worse and worse. The corruption has to deepen, the despair has to grow, the city has to become a more and more dangerous place with the rich distancing themselves as much from the poor as they can. There can't be any major victories or turning of the tables for Gordon, because the situation has to eventually reach Batman: Year One where the city is basically a living hell for anybody trying to just make their way as an every day person and Gordon is the exception rather than the rule when it comes to the police. You need a city on the verge of going crazy, where a man in a batsuit beating the poo poo out of mobsters causes some other very unbalanced people to go off the deep end too and become "supervillains". A relentlessly depressing and grim series like that could work, but I don't see it working on Fox, especially if they're talking about introducing the loving Joker of all characters into the series while Bruce Wayne is still a little boy.
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Mars4523 posted:Adapt Gotham Central with, if you must, a Jim Gordon who is in his 40s, not his 50s (Gary Oldman) or 30s (Ben McKenzie) and some of the Gotham Central detective cast (Renee, Crispus, Romy, Marcus and Josephine). Oh, god - I'd love to see Josie Mac in this show.
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Xealot posted:This is honestly the best option, though, because it suggests there's some idea driving things outside of the Batman references. If it could be its own show and totally drop the Batman connection, it presumably has themes and characters it wants to explore in its own right. I wouldn't mind a bait-and-switch if the product they switched in was actually good. Slime Bro Helpdesk posted:It's a great option until all your initial audience quits because they were sold a Batman show and get a weird Wire-esque network drama. That's always a possibility but what other choice do they have, really? They're not going to get the rights to have Batman in it and I would think that it would be pretty obvious to everyone going in that we won't be seeing Batman for various reasons not the least of which is that Bruce Wayne is being played by a 12 year old. The alternative is just a lot of wink-wink fan service. And no one wants a repeat of Birds of Prey or Smallville. They had another option. They could've done, basically, what Arrow did, gone with a Bruce Wayne in his late teens, who's just returned from the far east to begin his grand plan to bring justice to his city and honor his parents memory by engineering Gotham's phoenix-like rise from it's own ashes. He soon finds it won't be so easy. His company has been stolen out from under him and he has to navigate the diseased hydra of corrupt cops, corrupt city government, corrupt businessmen and nearly third world levels of crime all of which are in bed with each other and have roots that are so deep into the foundation of the city that they are practically the standard. The city hangs by a thread with a few honest individuals desperately trying to hold it together. Bruce's plans begin to form. He enters the game as a minor anonymous player, a kind of Oracle/Harold Finch/Deepthroat style character, and begins pulling string from behind the scenes. Along the way he forms shaky alliances with a young James Gordon, eager to change the system, and a burnout detective named Harvey Bullock. This is where we see the origins of Batman the strategist, his plans within plans. He makes low level contacts within the criminal underworld, orchestrating chain reactions that lead to chaos among the rival organizations. His enemies destroy each other. Eventually he takes to the streets in black tactical gear; a precursor to his eventual uniform to fight crime up close. All of this is interspersed with flashbacks to his ninja/detective/Houdini training at various locations and under various masters. And if it were done right it wouldn't matter that we never got to see him in full costume, because the show would be about more than just the Batman characters and universe. It would be about more than just the writers trying to figure out which obscure Batman villain they can make references to this week. It would be, relatively speaking, a slow burn. A Game of Thrones. A Sopranos. A drama. There's no reason you can't have well drawn characters the likes of Breaking Bad and The Wire or fantastic  plot like The Shield in a show based on comic book characters.They could have gone this way, and they arguably would have done a better job of it than Arrow because 1: Batman is a far more interesting character than Green Arrow and 2: At least to me, CW produced shows always seem to have a weird fake almost cartoony look to them. I guess it's something with the way their shot and the sets. But Fox produced shows always seem to look great and realistic. But that's not what we're getting. For one thing I can't see a 12 year old Bruce Wayne having any real effect on the shows universe. Unless the writers/producers wanted to do something like Fresh which would actually be pretty awesome. Ultimately, I think that a good, gritty, neo-noir serial crime drama is exactly what this show needs to be. Like others have suggested, basically, Gotham Central/Gotham Nights/GCPD. By all means make use of the Batman-Villains-Before-They-Were-Batman-Villains characters but use the Batman universe as a foundation for great dramatic television where all of the characters and the plot can stand on their own. Anyway, I think it will be interesting to see how the show is formatted and it's nice to see it at least generating some interesting discussion. -Blackadder- fucked around with this message at 08:46 on May 9, 2014 |
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Mister Mind posted:They're getting pretty close - both Renee Montoya and Crispus Allen will be in this new series. (Inevitably leading, one can only hope, to Is she from the '80's?
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