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Rick: Feb 23, 2004; When I was 17, my father was so stupid, I didn't want to be seen with him in public. When I was 24, I was amazed at how much the old man had learned in just 7 years.

Exum refuted the claims that he'll only play for the Lakers. I honestly don't know anything about him, I just am hoping the Lakers draft big since I think their front line is going to be pretty awful for sure next year, while their back court is just likely to be awful instead of a sure thing.

E: All the mock drafts say different things and it confuses me, I can't navigate this at all so I'm just going to play with this ESPN thing http://espn.go.com/nba/lottery2014/mockdraft because the Lakers keep getting the second pick out of it and then #1 drafts Parker first instead of Wiggins every time.

Rick fucked around with this message at 11:44 on May 16, 2014

# ¿ May 16, 2014 11:34

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# ¿ May 10, 2024 19:24

Rick: Feb 23, 2004; When I was 17, my father was so stupid, I didn't want to be seen with him in public. When I was 24, I was amazed at how much the old man had learned in just 7 years.

whiggles posted:

Hah, that's the best way to hype your hyped hyper-prospect. I hope we get a shot of Wiggins sprinting, with his agent in the shot sporting a grin and holding a stopwatch that reads 4.24

I'm sensing a return of the "Photoshopped Will Chamberlain 100 point game" meme.

# ¿ May 17, 2014 01:43

Rick: Feb 23, 2004; When I was 17, my father was so stupid, I didn't want to be seen with him in public. When I was 24, I was amazed at how much the old man had learned in just 7 years.

MourningView posted:

He's still going to instantly be one of the best shooters in the league, so you're at least getting that. And his post game is crafty enough that he can probably do some small ball stuff. He was going to need to be hidden on defense regardless of where he played.

Hopefully Gordon's measurments convince teams to play him at PF instead of loving around with him at the 3, where he's awful.

No.

He was awesome at defending wings but I guess college wings that's not as impressive?

# ¿ May 19, 2014 21:20

Rick: Feb 23, 2004; When I was 17, my father was so stupid, I didn't want to be seen with him in public. When I was 24, I was amazed at how much the old man had learned in just 7 years.

Think how long it's been since the Lakers have had the first pick. Just seems fair they get it to me.

# ¿ May 20, 2014 23:17

Rick: Feb 23, 2004; When I was 17, my father was so stupid, I didn't want to be seen with him in public. When I was 24, I was amazed at how much the old man had learned in just 7 years.

I feel like a lot of the Lakers/Exum stuff is completely manufactured. I mean the Lakers have liked a lot of guys in the past and they've never bought them expensive game tickets 10 times throughout the season. That feels like an agent trying to create an appearance.

# ¿ May 21, 2014 01:10

Rick: Feb 23, 2004; When I was 17, my father was so stupid, I didn't want to be seen with him in public. When I was 24, I was amazed at how much the old man had learned in just 7 years.

The Glumslinger posted:

God dammit, the Lakers are gonna draft Aaron Gordon, aren't they?

It would make me happy.

I kind of think the Lakers are going to trade down though if they can.

# ¿ May 21, 2014 01:46

Rick: Feb 23, 2004; When I was 17, my father was so stupid, I didn't want to be seen with him in public. When I was 24, I was amazed at how much the old man had learned in just 7 years.

old dog child posted:

I was day dreaming so much about a top 3 pick that now I'm lost and confused about what the Lakers will do with a 7th. Though I agree with you; I think trading down would be better for the team since we owe so many picks. I can't even really picture how next season is going to look. I suspect it's depressing.

Yeah I have no clue how next season is going to go but I'd be lying if I said I was optimistic. I know Kupchak has said they scouted as if they could end up picking as low as 15, so I'm sure there's a lot of people they're interested in. But yeah, they need so many pieces right now that moving down might be the best way to more holes.

I think the Lakers want a big because otherwise Robert Sacre is starting so I think at 7 the possibly-available dudes are Vonleh and Gordon.

# ¿ May 21, 2014 01:59

Rick: Feb 23, 2004; When I was 17, my father was so stupid, I didn't want to be seen with him in public. When I was 24, I was amazed at how much the old man had learned in just 7 years.

Worthy of a read for the player comparisons.

http://hoopshype.com/draft.htm

# ¿ May 21, 2014 02:26

Rick: Feb 23, 2004; When I was 17, my father was so stupid, I didn't want to be seen with him in public. When I was 24, I was amazed at how much the old man had learned in just 7 years.

I don't know why I'm so bothered by Marcus Smart because I've seen him play and he wasn't bad, it's just I feel like the descriptions of him are actively trying to fool me. Like when people talk about Aaron Afflalo's defense.

# ¿ May 21, 2014 15:42

Rick: Feb 23, 2004; When I was 17, my father was so stupid, I didn't want to be seen with him in public. When I was 24, I was amazed at how much the old man had learned in just 7 years.

I'm still really into the Lakers drafting Aaron Gordon, largely admittedly for personal reasons, although I'm also fascinated by Vonleh and think he might really help Pau out in an imaginary world where Pau re-signs.

# ¿ May 21, 2014 17:34

Rick: Feb 23, 2004; When I was 17, my father was so stupid, I didn't want to be seen with him in public. When I was 24, I was amazed at how much the old man had learned in just 7 years.

kiimo posted:

^^^ Aaron Gordon vs. Blake Griffin in Staples Center is too perfect for words.

The injury isn't a problem. It's a common injury and one I've had personally. His knee is nothing, it was a hyper-extension that just looked bad. The legit worry is that his back becomes a chronic injury but that's just as big a guess as anything. He's never hurt his back before so anyone saying it is chronic now doesn't understand the word. For what it's worth my back injury stopped recurring the second I started wearing a back brace and I bet he will start too, for prevention's sake. Of course I'm 5'11 so I don't think my story is much use determining what will happen with a 7 footer so I'll stop talking about it now.

I don't totally see the Gordon/Griffin comparisons that everyone else does. And after a year of watching him, if I'm really really honest the player he reminds me most of is Ron Artest who isn't clumsy or young Shane Battier who can dribble and (kind of) post.

# ¿ May 21, 2014 18:18

Rick: Feb 23, 2004; When I was 17, my father was so stupid, I didn't want to be seen with him in public. When I was 24, I was amazed at how much the old man had learned in just 7 years.

MourningView posted:

I would like to see this Aaron Gordon who doesn't look clumsy and can dribble.

I thought in the games where Arizona put him in charge of pushing the break he handled the ball really well.

And c'mon, Ron Artest looks like a broken model car that's violently vibrating, about to explode sending gears and wheels everywhere every time he dribble drives, Aarong Gordon doesn't ever look like that.

# ¿ May 21, 2014 18:47

Rick: Feb 23, 2004; When I was 17, my father was so stupid, I didn't want to be seen with him in public. When I was 24, I was amazed at how much the old man had learned in just 7 years.

Time posted:

Also he can't shoot for poo poo so the Shane battier comp seems off

Shane Battier wasn't much of a shooter when he was young either, thus "young Shane Battier."

# ¿ May 21, 2014 20:54

Rick: Feb 23, 2004; When I was 17, my father was so stupid, I didn't want to be seen with him in public. When I was 24, I was amazed at how much the old man had learned in just 7 years.

TheGreyGhost posted:

I know the popular SAS hivemind thing is "lol cavs gonna gently caress up" but we do have a new GM finally who isn't Chris Grant or Danny Ferry. He did the Hawes trade which has worked out fairly well all things considered, and I'm pretty sure the entire town would riot if he traded that pick at this point since everyone wants Wiggins or Embiid based on what I'm reading. I think Wiggins would do more just because he's a more complete player right now and can be a perimeter defender for a team that sorely needs one.

It's not the "hive mind."

It's that the only time the Cavs have ever made a correct draft pick in my life time was Lebron James.

# ¿ May 21, 2014 22:33

Rick: Feb 23, 2004; When I was 17, my father was so stupid, I didn't want to be seen with him in public. When I was 24, I was amazed at how much the old man had learned in just 7 years.

IcePhoenix posted:

Kyrie Irving was probably the correct pick too.

Congrats Cavs, two correct picks in 30 years.

# ¿ May 21, 2014 23:21

Rick: Feb 23, 2004; When I was 17, my father was so stupid, I didn't want to be seen with him in public. When I was 24, I was amazed at how much the old man had learned in just 7 years.

MourningView posted:

Parker can get up in the air pretty well, but his lateral quickness leaves a lot to be desired. And there are rumors he's out of shape right now, which has been a pretty consistent problem for him since he got hurt in high school.

I could seen him being a Glenn Robinson type. He's the same sort of tweener. I think he's more well rounded as a scorer though. He can shoot threes and seems more eager to post smaller guys up (although I might be misremembering college Robinson, I was really young). Big Dog, at least in the NBA, was all about the mid-range jumper.

e: actually Robinson was a way better three point shooter than I apparently remember, but he didn't shoot a ton of them for a big chunk of his career.

My memory of Robinson was that he was hyperconcerned about his stats, so he didn't start to shoot the three until he could knock it down at a decent clip.

# ¿ May 22, 2014 23:30

Rick: Feb 23, 2004; When I was 17, my father was so stupid, I didn't want to be seen with him in public. When I was 24, I was amazed at how much the old man had learned in just 7 years.

It's really tough to defend Gordon because he was so inconsistent so he could definitely bust. I really like post-Brandon-Ashley-Injury-Playing-Power-Forward Gordon quite a bit.

# ¿ May 22, 2014 23:51

Rick: Feb 23, 2004; When I was 17, my father was so stupid, I didn't want to be seen with him in public. When I was 24, I was amazed at how much the old man had learned in just 7 years.

I think you have to have a team though, and commit to that team, because that's when I finally started finding it palatable enough to watch.

# ¿ May 22, 2014 23:59

Rick: Feb 23, 2004; When I was 17, my father was so stupid, I didn't want to be seen with him in public. When I was 24, I was amazed at how much the old man had learned in just 7 years.

Considering how difficult it is to get a player with talent to play an offense I'm surprised Wiggins isn't a dream come true.

# ¿ May 24, 2014 15:28

Rick: Feb 23, 2004; When I was 17, my father was so stupid, I didn't want to be seen with him in public. When I was 24, I was amazed at how much the old man had learned in just 7 years.

IcePhoenix posted:

He also only plays in like 50 games a season and doesn't play defense.

I like Pek, a lot actually, I just think he's way overpaid.

I think you should go look at what people who are over 6'9" make and then look at what they can make if they can average more than two field goals a game.

# ¿ May 27, 2014 01:08

Rick: Feb 23, 2004; When I was 17, my father was so stupid, I didn't want to be seen with him in public. When I was 24, I was amazed at how much the old man had learned in just 7 years.

IcePhoenix posted:

I think my definition of overpaid does not have to match yours.

What's your definition? He makes what is appropriate for a player of his height and ability to make.

# ¿ May 27, 2014 01:12

Rick: Feb 23, 2004; When I was 17, my father was so stupid, I didn't want to be seen with him in public. When I was 24, I was amazed at how much the old man had learned in just 7 years.

If the idea is that the Cavs are going to lose Kyrie is true, would trying to flip him to the Bucks for their pick be a good move? I think the Bucks wouldn't mind taking the risk since they are always in make-the-playoffs-now mode and rarely do the long term thing, and Kyrie could probably drag that squad to the playoffs. And, since the Cavs are starting over yet again this season, why not start fresh?

# ¿ May 27, 2014 04:45

Rick: Feb 23, 2004; When I was 17, my father was so stupid, I didn't want to be seen with him in public. When I was 24, I was amazed at how much the old man had learned in just 7 years.

Considering most drafts produce what, five guys that get a second NBA contract, I view this draft as loaded because it's projected to produce 5 guys who will probably be rotation players.

# ¿ May 27, 2014 06:14

Rick: Feb 23, 2004; When I was 17, my father was so stupid, I didn't want to be seen with him in public. When I was 24, I was amazed at how much the old man had learned in just 7 years.

McLemore kind of reminds me of early Ced Ceballos before he broke out.

# ¿ May 28, 2014 18:28

Rick: Feb 23, 2004; When I was 17, my father was so stupid, I didn't want to be seen with him in public. When I was 24, I was amazed at how much the old man had learned in just 7 years.

I believe the following year was when he had his drinking issues.

# ¿ May 28, 2014 20:44

Rick: Feb 23, 2004; When I was 17, my father was so stupid, I didn't want to be seen with him in public. When I was 24, I was amazed at how much the old man had learned in just 7 years.

So I take it this is a guy I would be upset if he was drafted by the Lakers? I have seen him projected from 4 to not in the lottery.

# ¿ May 29, 2014 17:42

Rick: Feb 23, 2004; When I was 17, my father was so stupid, I didn't want to be seen with him in public. When I was 24, I was amazed at how much the old man had learned in just 7 years.

WhyteRyce posted:

Sacramento had a secret private don't let the local media know interview with Gordon today. I'd be totally down with him but the Kings never draft who I think they will so I better get ready to hear Saric's name

Are these interviews to be taken seriously? Cuz the Lakers seem to be working out and interviewing just about everyone, including Gordon.

# ¿ Jun 3, 2014 17:02

Rick: Feb 23, 2004; When I was 17, my father was so stupid, I didn't want to be seen with him in public. When I was 24, I was amazed at how much the old man had learned in just 7 years.

Every single rumor has been "Magic drafting Exum" for what it's worth.

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http://instagram.com/p/o1XVywrO_L/

Zach LaVine jumps really loving high.

# ¿ Jun 4, 2014 23:03

Rick: Feb 23, 2004; When I was 17, my father was so stupid, I didn't want to be seen with him in public. When I was 24, I was amazed at how much the old man had learned in just 7 years.

It's interesting that the Lakers didn't workout Randle because it seemed like he was a lock to go top 5 but with Vonleh and Gordon apparently jumping I think they might have a shot at him after all. I wouldn't mind that.

# ¿ Jun 5, 2014 00:15

Rick: Feb 23, 2004; When I was 17, my father was so stupid, I didn't want to be seen with him in public. When I was 24, I was amazed at how much the old man had learned in just 7 years.

The Glumslinger posted:

I'm not sure if Randle has worked out for anyone yet

He's scheduled to work out for the Bucks this week. I have stated my love of Gordon but Randle would be a great fit to me next to Pau in the alternate world where Pau re-signs.

Speaking of, I think Exum has an awesome agent because his name is in the news every day, latest ~rumor site buzz~ (things his agent said to NBA Dirtsheet Writers) has him going to the Bucks if he'll play there.

# ¿ Jun 5, 2014 00:29

Rick: Feb 23, 2004; When I was 17, my father was so stupid, I didn't want to be seen with him in public. When I was 24, I was amazed at how much the old man had learned in just 7 years.

Wes Johnson looked like a competent NBA player twice a month if you played him 30 minutes a game.

# ¿ Jun 5, 2014 01:33

Rick: Feb 23, 2004; When I was 17, my father was so stupid, I didn't want to be seen with him in public. When I was 24, I was amazed at how much the old man had learned in just 7 years.

Gordon was apparently a big hit in the Lakers workout today, apparently him and McDermott really went at each other.

# ¿ Jun 5, 2014 08:56

Rick: Feb 23, 2004; When I was 17, my father was so stupid, I didn't want to be seen with him in public. When I was 24, I was amazed at how much the old man had learned in just 7 years.

If I really wanted a guy and I was in the Sixer's position where I had so much youth anyway I would probably be willing to give up the ten to get the guy. Also it works for the Cavs because Jordair Jett is much less of a reach at 3 . . . .

# ¿ Jun 5, 2014 20:40

Rick: Feb 23, 2004; When I was 17, my father was so stupid, I didn't want to be seen with him in public. When I was 24, I was amazed at how much the old man had learned in just 7 years.

The draft is a lot less fun when there's anxiety about your team making a choice instead of just showing up and seeing what name Mitch Kupchak made up for the actor he hired to pretend to be a prospect from the Congo or some guy who ends up playing four years in the league at 40.

# ¿ Jun 5, 2014 20:44

Rick: Feb 23, 2004; When I was 17, my father was so stupid, I didn't want to be seen with him in public. When I was 24, I was amazed at how much the old man had learned in just 7 years.

I might still draft Rose over a couple of guys for a couple good years even knowing that he potentially would have a short career.

# ¿ Jun 5, 2014 20:55

Rick: Feb 23, 2004; When I was 17, my father was so stupid, I didn't want to be seen with him in public. When I was 24, I was amazed at how much the old man had learned in just 7 years.

"Serviceable" is pretty much the definition of Marshall. Sometimes he'll score, but he usually won't, but he will usually get 7-12 assists a night even if he's not shooting the ball, and his defense isn't the worst. The question I have is that he seems to react really negatively to not starting and his numbers nosedived even if his minutes stayed the same, and if Nash is healthahahahah...if circumstances cause him to have to come off the bench next season, then he may be in fact completely worthless.

I don't know, though, my confidence in the fact that either him or Farmar can put up serviceable numbers at the point is why I am for the Lakers going for a big.

# ¿ Jun 6, 2014 16:04

Rick: Feb 23, 2004; When I was 17, my father was so stupid, I didn't want to be seen with him in public. When I was 24, I was amazed at how much the old man had learned in just 7 years.

Icy Penguigo posted:

Marcus Smart showing off his shooting prowess

He was apparently not very interesting in the scrimmage workout either but I haven't seen any footage of it yet.

# ¿ Jun 6, 2014 20:49

Rick: Feb 23, 2004; When I was 17, my father was so stupid, I didn't want to be seen with him in public. When I was 24, I was amazed at how much the old man had learned in just 7 years.

Don't click this if you hate the Lakers :siren:

I think it's a pretty interesting to see what basically amounts to the second tier of the draft class thinks of themselves and I guess you could just skip the sections where they talk about how much they love the Lakers and Kobe.

# ¿ Jun 8, 2014 05:03

Rick: Feb 23, 2004; When I was 17, my father was so stupid, I didn't want to be seen with him in public. When I was 24, I was amazed at how much the old man had learned in just 7 years.

Speaking of non-US players Exum is only working out for the top 4 teams. That seems kind of risky.

# ¿ Jun 10, 2014 00:44

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# ¿ May 10, 2024 19:24

Rick: Feb 23, 2004; When I was 17, my father was so stupid, I didn't want to be seen with him in public. When I was 24, I was amazed at how much the old man had learned in just 7 years.

TheGreyGhost posted:

I had to watch my team draft Dion Waiters after he literally bluffed every lottery GM by doing that. It's fine if his agent is good. And really, he's on the prospect tier just below the big 3 (Embiid, Wiggins, Parker) but ahead of guys like Randle or Smart, so he's not risking much.

Is he though? Gordon and Vonleh seem to be moving up and Randle and Smart have the "NBA ready" tags which might be more along the lines of what the Kings and Lakers are looking for. I would imagine he probably doesn't slide past the Hornets but that's a big money drop which matters for a guy who needs to contribute to a buyout to come over.

# ¿ Jun 10, 2014 05:18

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