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Thank you Brian Boyko for this treasure trove of comedy. You are hopelessly naive and condescending to boot. I know we've kicked his idea to death (and then beat the dead horse by revealing what a rube he is personally), but I want to make a few more points about MayOne. Your solution to the problem of money in politics is a new left of center PAC dedicated to a reform movement? And you're doing this by giving money to/ spending money on friendly Democratic candidates? There are already many super PACs in existence. Some are left of center. They tend to do exactly what you propose to do already. So you're not filling a new need, you're just piling on. This isn't reforming the system, its just participating in it. You say you will give money to Republicans who want to reform campaign finance too. There really aren't any of those. This is a bipartisan problem, yes, but it is an asymmetrical one. Pretending to be bipartisan was the death knell of most of the secret liberal PACs I worked with. What he came in for and initially asked for was for advice on how to publicize his PAC. Well Brian, I'm sorry to tell you this but you've probably got all the exposure you're going to get. You got the Wired magazine article, and a pretty well recieved AMA. Your group seems to be raising money relatively well. Your next step isn't figuring out how to raise more money, it's how to spend what you've got. Unless MayOne is a cynical cash grab (I'm aware it most likely is), it doesn't sound like you really have much of a plan for "winning key majorities in the House" as the Wired article said was the goal. You want to dump money into a select few races to see if you can get the candidates to talk about campaign finance reform. Is that it? You say you'll be turning the money over to "professional campaigners", having worked in politics I know that a lot of "professional campaigners" have no loving clue what works and what doesn't; what they do is piss away money and if they win they claim credit and if they lose they say they had a weak candidate/ bad cycle/ voters are dumb and move on. Just because you spend money doesn't mean it will make an iota of difference. Is the plan just a money bomb on TV advertising? Are you aware of how low political TV ads have in RoI? You'll be lucky to get a few local papers to publish "Mysterious outside group" articles and then the candidates will just pivot back to what their polling says is the most important issue (Hint: it's never systemic corruption). And when that doesn't work? You'll make bigger ad buys in 16? The friendly candidates may not want your help. Their messaging is going to be determined by their own polling and candidate, and unless they're a huge hidden "corruption gap" in the polling, they're not going to make your plank a part of their platform. If you want to win over people who really know about politics and know what is going on (like the people in this forum) you have to have specifics. These people know that canvassing and direct action makes a (marginal) difference, very little else can. So what MayOne is, is either a cash grab by cynical opportunists, or it is another in a long line of reformist PACs that end up emulating the problem they seek to solve. TL;DR MayOne shows South Park underpants gnome levels of planning. Step 1: Raise money Step 2: ???? Step 3: Reform oldswitcheroo fucked around with this message at 21:27 on May 17, 2014 |
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OMGVBFLOL posted:i love that he's going to fix money in politics by turning money over to "professional campaigners" Highly doubtful it goes to organizers or any kind of real infrastructure. From what Boyko said here they'll be putting the money into advertising in "select races" to "make campaign finance reform the hot button issue". The money will go to TV guys who will promptly piss it all away. Seen it happen too drat many times to count. oldswitcheroo fucked around with this message at 05:58 on Jul 5, 2014 |
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Small Frozen Thing posted:pony lounge after dark He just doesn't WANT to know that he knows what it is already.
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Ytlaya posted:^^^ noo Lessig isn't dumb. He'll cut himself a fee for organizing this and laugh all the way to the bank. You're right that he should know better though, but for moral, not practical ones.
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Boyko posted:
It's just that there's no evidence that they're clever at all. Lessig is a Prof at Harvard, and he hires this Boyko clown of all people? He has access to some of the smartest political minds that there are and he hires a guy who uses his actual given name to post in a rule 34 MLP forum?!
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Dapper Dan posted:The most hilarious thing to me is that they are teaming up with Jack loving Abramoff. Did they not even watch Casino Jack and the United States of Money? The guy is a life-long Republican who loves deregulation and putting as much cash into politics as possible. He's just going to milk the goddamn thing dry. I posted in the reddit threads about this (as a result I'm swearing off of reddit political forums, I didn't know how bad they were.... I DIDN'T KNOW!) and everyone was talking about how Jack Abramoff "saw the error of his ways and is now really trying to make a difference for the better you guys". No, we're talking about a man who ran a protection racket on Indian casinos, swindling cash strapped tribes for millions in personal fees and political donations (almost all to right wingers, he called them "loving savages" when they donated to Dems). He knew that was wrong while he was doing it. He knew it was wrong to make the CNMI a slave colony for sweatshop "Made in the USA" clothing. He knew it was wrong and he didn't care. Why in the world should we trust him when he devoted his life to making non-white people suffer and making himself rich? Lessig associating with Abramoff is one of the larger reasons I do not trust him to run this PAC in good faith. That and the fact that he hired (enlisted? Is he getting paid? (ed. \/\/ Okay yes he is, good)) Boyko, despite having access to oodles of political talent at Harvard. oldswitcheroo fucked around with this message at 07:31 on Jul 7, 2014 |
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Leroy Diplowski posted:Interview with this poo poo right now on NPR marketplace with kai rysdall This Mayday stuff is perfect for NPR liberals who desperately want to feel like they're helping by buying a $15 dollar totebag.
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Mister Fister posted:
Abramoff isn't running the PAC, the only formal affiliation he has with them is that he participated in a really lovely AMA with Lessig on reddit to promote Mayday PAC. Abramoff is a tacit supporter, but is not in any position of authority in the PAC. Right now, Abramoff is on a speaking tour about "beating corruption" and selling a book about it. It's being brought up less as a "you're giving money to Jack Abramoff" thing as it is a "Lessig has such bad judgement that he would listen to Abramoff/ use him to sell his own lovely ideas." It just reflects poorly on Lessig's judgement. True, he won't have the ability to powerbroker anymore, but that was only part of the equation from the start for Abramoff. He is also very much about making himself rich, be it through making right wing propoganda films (which he did before lobbying), through his lobbying, through illegally muscling a casino owner out of his casino boat, through speaking fees, through potentially "consulting" with PACs....
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Samurai Quack posted:No loving way that last one doesn't happen They are adamant that it's a symmetrical bipartisan problem http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2014/06/campaign-finance-reform-has-to-be-cross-partisan/372983/ so it makes sense that they need a right winger on board to bring up their cred with Republicans. Which just goes to show you that Lessig may indeed be as naive as his funders. What am I saying with this "may be" nonsense, he supported Americans Elect, of course he's naive.
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Mr. Pither posted:The thing I still can't get over about Mr. Boyko is how he can pivot from "Well, I guess child abuse is wrong, strictly speaking..." and "D&D players need their own Stonewall" and "I'd gladly go anywhere to flee this corrupt kleptocracy we live in" to trying to run for political office in Texas in a few short years. That post where he tries to spin his past as this series of meaningful soul-searching experiences that inform his deep empathy for the people is comically absurd once you have an idea of his actual past. But damned if he didn't borrow as much as he could from Obama-era branding and marketing practices. For some reason it really drives home to me just how empty politics and politicians are. No no, it's all explained in the book he self published that currently sits at number 2,571,532 on the Amazon best seller list...
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Yeah this thread is like month old milk, it's gone bad. Reopen it when Mayday picks their candidates on July 15, so we can discuss what that says about the organization, then close it before again it becomes a slapfight over who is the socialest.
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