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Small Frozen Thing posted:pony lounge after dark poo poo, i use reddit as much as SA and I have no idea what that subreddit is. There's a goofy rear end subreddit for any weird idea that you can come up with i guess.
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I don't know who's more cynical, the people who post in this thread or the overwhelming majority of goons in the Community thread who bet their lives that a meteor was more likely to hit the earth in the next hour than the show coming back (it came back  ), but in any case, i hope SOMETHING positive comes out of this superpac. What that something is, I dunno, but I don't think it's healthy to be so negative.
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Jul 7, 2014 19:29
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Who What Now posted:I hate to break it to you, but nothing good will come of it, and hoping that a pile of poo poo won't end up smelling like poo poo is way more unhealthy than acknowledging reality. I mean, if they could upset a couple of incumbents, i think that's a win in my book. If that tea party guy could upset Eric Cantor with almost no resources, i don't see why Lessig et al couldn't do something similar.
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Jul 7, 2014 19:33
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Who What Now posted:Upset them with who? You can't elect people who want money out of politics by pumping more money in politics. That's like trying to douse a fire with kerosene. Well i don't know the particulars of everyone who donated, but i was under the impression that the big donators were guys like Woz, and he seems like a pretty good guy, but in any case, is there any evidence that the SuperPac is going to pressure the candidates to do special favors for plutocrats?
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Jul 7, 2014 19:38
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You know, reading this depressing thread, i think i understand why conservatives are able to elect tea partiers (sometimes against all odds) and liberals can't do poo poo.
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Jul 8, 2014 01:27
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McDowell posted:We just need to buy everyone a copy of 'The Secret' , that's the ticket. Eric Cantor's loss for one. Notice OWS is such a disorganized mess while the Tea Party actually gets elected and makes the GOP piss their pants? Liberals harp on how disgusted they are that plutocrats secure elections in their favor with their giant war chests but when the chips come down, we keep electing the same idiots over and over again and never follow through with threats. I actually have more respect for conservatives in that regard. OwlBot 2000 posted:You've got a ways to go before you can make a convincing troll. Tone it down to 65% and you might be believable, and spread it out over several pages. So in other words, you want an echo chamber here.
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Jul 8, 2014 01:49
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McDowell posted:You know it was a primary, right? 65,017 people voted in that race in a state with a little more than 5 million registered voters. David Brat still has to actually get elected. You definitely earned that title. Are you seriously saying that incumbents getting primaried by extremists don't matter? Chomskyan posted:Um, because the tea party is being astroturfed by billionaires? Too some extent, yes, but the overwhelming majority of millionaires and billionaires aren't happy that the tea party got elected. "Chamber of Commerce" CEO's want mainstream Republicans to win, not a bunch of rag tag extremists who shut down government or threaten to end handouts, it's not good for business.
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Jul 8, 2014 02:07
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OwlBot 2000 posted:The rich aren't homogeneous. Locally powerful millionaires in southern states often support the Tea Party (along with the Kochs), and multinational corporations and billionaires usually support more mainstream republicans. And that agrees with my point, but as you can see in the Brat vs. Cantor fight, the rich backed the mainstream republican by an overwhelming margin. Cantor had a 26 to 1 advantage in the amount of money he had and lost in what most people called a shocker: http://www.politico.com/story/2014/06/2014-virginia-primary-big-money-eric-cantor-107699.html Nobody's saying that there isn't money thrown at the tea party from the rich, but the entrenched institutional power that's sucking the majority of money out of the government, pushing for more tax loopholes, causing the most pollution, edit: not to mention the military industrial complex/wars etc. is sweating buckets because they're losing influence. Mister Fister fucked around with this message at 02:22 on Jul 8, 2014 |
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Jul 8, 2014 02:15
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Mo_Steel posted:No, he's saying you making a post bemoaning tone in this thread as the reason for left-wing loses is a lovely troll by being too up-front. He's giving you the benefit of the doubt and assuming you are a troll instead of someone who actually believes that somehow this thread is indicative of our political system. Because the latter is a naive, idiotic horseshit excuse which reflects poorly on people who suggest it seriously. I didn't say this thread solely was what made me depressed, it's just a general observation about liberals and it's yet another example.
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Jul 8, 2014 02:18
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OwlBot 2000 posted:http://www.salon.com/2013/10/06/tea_party_radicalism_is_misunderstood_meet_the_newest_right/ You know what, if i had the choice between 'local' millionaires controlling the GOP vs. millionaires/billionaires who control multinational corporations that gently caress up the entire world, i'd actually rather have the tea party in charge vs. mainstream Republicans.
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Jul 8, 2014 02:21
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Mo_Steel posted:By all means, elaborate on your insights. I'll even assume your premise for the sake of argument, so give us some conditions. Liberals can't do poo poo and Tea Partiers can because... Crippling cynicism, lack of focus (yes, i get it's hilarious that guy is a brony, but i think 10 pages of making fun of him is enough), disorganization, fear of taking chances, blaming money all the time but not doing anything about it, the fact that everyone thought Obama's presidency was going to change things but his disappointment made us lose all hope, etc. etc.
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Jul 8, 2014 02:38
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Who What Now posted:As a reminder this poster unironically cited OWS as a representative organization for liberal causes, despite not existing in a meaningful capacity for nearly three years. That's actually kinda my point.
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Jul 8, 2014 02:52
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Samurai Quack posted:Cantor lost because he made himself a prominent tea party vocal supporter in an effort to replace Boehner, then when that failed fell back into line and betrayed the batshit crazies he had been courting. Dude played with fire and got burned, his status as persona non grata with the tea party after the debt ceiling collapse was way more relevant to a primary than any amount of funding. You know, i've been looking through articles about why Cantor lost and they go all over the place between him supporting immigration reform, then another article showing that the overwhelming majority of voters actually wanted immigration reform, to simply him being an rear end in a top hat to everyone, but whatever, it seems that every article called his loss shocking. Also, i'd like to see how often someone with such a big money disadvantage pulls an upset like this. I can understand if someone with a 4 million dollar war chest beats someone with a 5 million dollar one, but again, it was a 26 to 1 advantage. Edit: hit submit too fast, but is Jack Abramoff running the Pac or just being paraded around to advertise for the PAC because he's an expert on corruption? I mean, if it's the latter, i don't really care all that much, it's not like he'll ever have the ability to be a powerbroker anymore. Who What Now posted:You... you do realize that there are other liberal organizations besides OWS, right? Are they filling up the streets and getting elected to congress and making democrats poo poo their pants?
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Jul 8, 2014 03:20
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Tatum Girlparts posted:Is OWS? Uh, not sure if you're agreeing with me, but that's the point. The Tea Party has this laser like focus for hate and they're actually productive with it.
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Jul 8, 2014 03:27
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Who What Now posted:Those aren't necessarily good things, and as the Tea Party has shown, can be actively harmful things. Who What Now posted:Well, it's harmful because they are willing to burn America to the ground and piss on the ashes. A leftist organization that would be willing to shut down the government to get whatever little thing they want would be just as harmful. Well, i'm not sure a radical left version of the Tea Party would shut down government and just mirror whatever the tea party did (but a leftwing version of it), that's just speculation. And i don't 'admire' the tea party, except their ability to get elected and pissing off the biggest plutocrats. Mainstream Republicans just do whatever the opposite Democrats do just because, while Tea Partiers do what they do in the name of their ideology. I think that's an important distinction; i've listened to some of the tea partier rhetoric and many think corporate welfare/american adventures into countries where they don't belong, etc. is bullshit. I'd like to see what happens if the 'radical' leftists actually voted with some of the tea partiers on those common ground issues and we got some change. But if you want positive change some other way, what do you suggest?
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Last post by me, going to bed (at least it's a bit more civil in this thread though.)quote:They are entirely reactionary and completely misinformed. And also hugely racist. Yes yes, the tea party are racist reactionary shitstains, i'm not going to disagree there. Samurai Quack posted:in what way had the tea party opposed corporate welfare in anyway. The Export-Import bank's charter is in danger of not being renewed because of the Tea Party. quote:The Republicans are blocking all Democratic legislation because of the tea party, not in spite of them. This is false, the top GOP leaders met right after Obama's Inauguration to agree to block everything Obama wanted to do even before the Tea Party went from being the Ron Paul dance party to a pain in the rear end of Democrats and Republicans alike. http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/government-elections-politics/inside-obamas-presidency/the-republicans-plan-for-the-new-president/ quote:They call Obamacare socialism, for God's sakes. Well yeah, they call everything socialism, i get it, they don't understand the meaning of the word.
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