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Movie was pretty great, its didn't hit me as much as Captain America but there are some great moments all through. The future fights were actually more of what I wanted in terms of power usage, especially blinks use of her powers. The main cast pretty much nails their roles, although part of me couldn't help but feel it was a little "more of the same" Bryan Singer without a ton of diverse characterization. That said the ending was pretty much what I wanted as far as lead-ins for Apocalypse. I was also sure that Dinklages "genetic mutation" would be part of the plot, but as iuts been pointed out, he's still Homosapien(And in retrospect not bringing it up at all was the smartest play, though I did find his character just a tad dull). Then again part of me would never let go of the idea that the film was going to end with the timeline resetting, but without the Sentinel massacres they would instead end up in the darker AoA timeline where Apocalypse hadn't been neutralized by said Sentinels. Oh and seriously, that painting in Trasks office is the best. Him, holding a modern day miracle robo-leg for a young leg-less child who is beside him while he strikes some heroic pose. Instead of like, actually letting her put it on and loving walk. The girls expression is kinda priceless 
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I find it funny people are shocked this movie was good, there have been 5 X-men movie's (not counting spin-offs) only one of which was genuinely horrible. I like how the movie both retcons X3 (Xavier being alive and well) and acknowledges it (Wolverine's Flashbacks)
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Way Strong Pimphand posted:Those death scenes in the future segments were ridiculously brutal. Like, I legitimately felt awful for the characters. And are all the X-Men from First Class dead now? Like, straight up tortured and experimented on? I just need a hug. When Magneto name drops Banshee as one of the dead I got incredibly bummed. He was one of my favorites from First Class. Also, I had no idea about the end tag, which was awesome, but I was kinda half hoping the last shot of '72 Logan would be him at the bottom of the river and the end tag would be him finally dragging himself up onto the shore wondering aloud what the gently caress he did all weekend.
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Angel actually got me more than I thought, though maybe they're just trying to setup a resurrected Archangel Horseman or something for the next one
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So the end... Logan is being carted off by Stryker to do the Weapon X thing, right? But he's actually Mystique, so he's... not? I'm missing where they're going with that.
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Teenage Fansub posted:So the end... Logan is being carted off by Stryker to do the Weapon X thing, right? But he's actually Mystique, so he's... not? I'm missing where they're going with that. No that actually was Wolverine.
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TryAgainBragg posted:Angel actually got me more than I thought, though maybe they're just trying to setup a resurrected Archangel Horseman or something for the next one They weren't talking about Warren Worthington Angel there. They were talking about Angel Salvadore from First Class. Mystique saw her picture in Trask's office.
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Mr. Flunchy posted:No that actually was Wolverine. I think he means Stryker
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Logan, please stop it, her name is Ororo and you know this. Otherwise I liked this movie a whole lot. Entire theater didn't know what the gently caress was up with the stinger. Makes me wonder who has rights to Moon Knight?
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Oh thanks, I completely forgot her character name from First Class, couldn't stop thinking how it clashed with X3 (Not that I cared about X3)
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My Gimmick Name posted:Logan, please stop it, her name is Ororo and you know this. I'm pretty sure Marvel does, he's one of those guys I feel is coming soonish. Especially with the Defenders tv series coming up and the other street level character series. I could see him having a solid cameo to boost awareness.
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So was that actually Kelsey Grammer in-make up at the end there? It was definitely his voice, but I couldn't tell otherwise.
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I apologize in advance, but I'm gonna be in the minority that just hated this movie. Where do I start? Terrible writing and in-your-face exposition within the first 5 minutes? Check SyFy-level CG? Check Constant Dutch-angles? Check Nonsensical fights? Check Useless Wolverine? Check Silly gesticulating in front of green screen? Check Cringeworthy performances due to aforementioned bad writing? I could go on for a while. My sentiment was that handing Matthew Vaughn the reins to the franchise with First Class was a masterstroke, and he added a layer of plausibility without going for the full Nolan "I hate superheroes" realism. Bryan Singer to me is maybe a step above Paul W. Anderson, and that's not saying much. And not to get super defensive about Snyder, but at least the guy has a far better eye for visuals, while not quite making me feel like a total idiot for watching his movies. P.S the whole movie thing could have been cut short by 40 minutes, if they had just hung on to Quicksilver for the rest of the movie.
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Re Shadowcat: Widget DID end up being Kate Pryde from the Days of Future Past Timeline so her causing time travel isn't completely unprecedented [see Exaclibur: Days of Future Yet To Come]. Although without Rachel Summers you're sort of missing the reason why she became a time traveling robot. . . Well, I didn't hate it the thing, it's probably the third best X-Men movie, and the only one I would say has a good ending. But this movie is Dumb.
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Rick posted:But this movie is Dumb.
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Any reason to see this in 3D? I'm assuming not.
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Baron Bifford posted:It's not perfect. Future Xavier's rhetoric about hope and second chances was hackneyed. Some of the connections to real historical events felt forced. But the movie as a whole wasn't dumb. The script was pretty tight. I don't know, the movie as a whole was pretty dumb to me. But I will also give the script's tightness credit. It was actually impressive to do all that in the time they did it. suddenlyissoon posted:Any reason to see this in 3D? I'm assuming not. There were some interesting shots as far as depth of field goes, and I thought the intro was kind of cool. If you like 3D as a medium, I would see it in 3D. But as far as "am I missing anything by seeing this in 2D?" Probably not.
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Funny how The Wolverine gets retconned out of existence just ONE YEAR after it comes out. And not just by the timeline stuff, but also the "future" storyline has Wolverine having metal claws again.
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bbf2 posted:Funny how The Wolverine gets retconned out of existence just ONE YEAR after it comes out. And not just by the timeline stuff, but also the "future" storyline has Wolverine having metal claws again. It is funny. Though I'm betting that for all intents and purposes, the events of X1, X2 and Wolverine still pretty much happened. Like, if they ever make a sequel to that film, they'll probably bring back Mariko and not try to pussyfoot around alternate timeline bullshit to try and reintroduce her. The specifics, like the bone claws, clearly don't matter, but the larger character developments and relationships, barring maybe Mystique, probably haven't been forgotten. I doubt anyone wants to go through all that same poo poo AGAIN. Hakkesshu fucked around with this message at 11:35 on May 23, 2014 |
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bbf2 posted:Funny how The Wolverine gets retconned out of existence just ONE YEAR after it comes out. And not just by the timeline stuff, but also the "future" storyline has Wolverine having metal claws again.
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I just was this movie and while it wasn't terrible I wouldn't say it was terribly good either. I'm a very uncritical movie viewer and am easily pleased but I thought this movie really too long and very little of any interest happened. It felt more like a movie you would have playing in one monitor while you read the internet in the other rather then something that would keep your undivided attention for 2 hours. Also the plot just rips off Terminator and the Star Trek reboot. In fact the whole movie just felt like a platform to reboot the IP. So overall I'd say it was OK but not brilliant. E: also the 3D added nothing and the glasses annoyed my ears about 90 minutes in NoNotTheMindProbe fucked around with this message at 12:07 on May 23, 2014 |
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My Gimmick Name posted:Logan, please stop it, her name is Ororo and you know this. That bugged me too, that's not her name Logan!
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bbf2 posted:Funny how The Wolverine gets retconned out of existence just ONE YEAR after it comes out. And not just by the timeline stuff, but also the "future" storyline has Wolverine having metal claws again. Wolverine still remembers what happened to him, and considering that the movie was all character growth for him, it's still relevant. As for his claws, I dunno, I guess he got sick of having bone claws, found them to be a disadvantage and using some future technology/mutant power got them back.
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suddenlyissoon posted:Any reason to see this in 3D? I'm assuming not. Is there ever? Did it feel like the future sequences were directed by someone else altogether to anyone else? The 1973 stuff was so gorgeous but the future stuff look horrible. Even the flying effects looked better in the past. And did they ever establish a year that the future was happening in?
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Loved it. Great action (holy poo poo Blink owns so much I want Fan Bingbing to play Chell in a Portal movie for laughs), some very powerful scenes (the autopsy photos and the meeting of the 2 Xaviers were high points for me), and the resetting of the timeline is honestly really great - I can't wait to see what the following movies do with the creative freedom that's opened up.bbf2 posted:Funny how The Wolverine gets retconned out of existence just ONE YEAR after it comes out. And not just by the timeline stuff, but also the "future" storyline has Wolverine having metal claws again. In fairness it isn't completely retconned. It's important to Logan's character, at least, since he still remembers it. Hakkesshu posted:It is funny. I dunno, the old movies really don't seem to work well with the extreme public outing mutants got in this movie - though the 25 Moments viral site seems to think everyone know about mutants from about the '70s onwards in the original timeline too, so I dunno, I guess that's just what happens with prequels sometimes. From what we can see in the scene of the new 2023, it does seem like the broad strokes of X1/X2's events happened, but I would be totally open to the new timeline versions of those being told, even in a tie-in comic or something. It almost certainly didn't go down in exactly the same way - the original timeline had Logan only meeting Xavier and the X-Men in the 2000s, and after the events of DoFP it really doesn't make any sense at all for Xavier to just avoid him for 3 decades. He would be worried about Logan and would attempt to find him. And then there's the tag with Mystique taking him. So Logan's path will surely be different, although his memory wiping in 2023 kinda makes that moot. I was honestly surprised that Logan, when he woke up in the new future, didn't have memories of both timelines.
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SwissCM posted:Wolverine still remembers what happened to him, and considering that the movie was all character growth for him, it's still relevant. As for his claws, I dunno, I guess he got sick of having bone claws, found them to be a disadvantage and using some future technology/mutant power got them back.
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Doronin posted:The timeline is completely reset. X-Men, X2, X3: The Last Stand, X-Men Origins: Wolverine and The Wolverine all basically don't count anymore except with respect to the character development of Wolverine (the only living soul that remembers the earlier timeline). Just wanted to note that this isn't entirely true - remember that 1973 Xavier (aka the same Xavier that exists in the new timeline the series will continue with) read Logan's mind and saw, at the very least, a bunch of stuff from the earlier timeline. Not to mention that in the new 2023 he could read Logan's mind again and get any information he needs, or even pass it on to others. It might actually be quite interesting if movies set in the new future used Logan's old-timeline memories as a plot point.
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Reading this thread, people actually liked The Wolverine? It was even worse than Origins. This movie was good though I agree with someone else saying fake Nixon was really distracting and dumb.
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The Wolverine isn't what I'd call great but I did enjoy it. It's basically any 90s Yakuza flick compared to Origins being total trash so it sort of works.
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Not Al-Qaeda posted:Reading this thread, people actually liked The Wolverine? It was even worse than Origins. You're in loving bizarro land if you thought Origins was at all competently made or entertaining (aside from the pre-effects version that leaked which owns).
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Remember that guy who did that awful review of The Amazing Spider-Man 2? He just reviewed DoFP.
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They basically fixed everything that has gone wrong with the series. If you think the old movies were "good enough" don't see this or any other x-men movie. I take that back, if you prefer the awful story before just watch this movie in till they all die at the start of the movie and then walk out. Ignore the fact that you paid for 10 minutes of a movie, don't bother seeing any more xmen movies since that they will never directly reference the bad movies again. So Logan is now a time traveling immortal?
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I've only actually seen X-Men and X2, but I've kept up with the franchise, can someone explain to me how this totally changes the events of the original series? I mean, isn't Jean Grey still going to become the Dark Phoenix and all that?
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Beeez posted:I've only actually seen X-Men and X2, but I've kept up with the franchise, can someone explain to me how this totally changes the events of the original series? I mean, isn't Jean Grey still going to become the Dark Phoenix and all that? Well in Jean's case, you could say that Charles learned earlier in the new timeline that it's not good to try and control and suppress people like he did (well-meaningly, but still) with Jean and Raven. Since (iirc) Dark Phoenix in the movies is just Jean's repressed negative emotions all coming out at once and not an alien entity or whatever, it makes sense that Charles kept it from ever happening by being more understanding and gentle when dealing with the danger of her powers.
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Beeez posted:I've only actually seen X-Men and X2, but I've kept up with the franchise, can someone explain to me how this totally changes the events of the original series? I mean, isn't Jean Grey still going to become the Dark Phoenix and all that? Not necessarily. I mean the possibility is still there, but I don't think they would retread that plot this soon. Who knows, though; I think the primary reason they did this was so they have more freedom to basically do whatever they want in the future without being beholden to those other movies that came out of a very different time.
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My take is that this movie is a soft reboot. They will use Fassbender and McAvoy for the next movie (maybe) and they need not feel bound to the continuity of the previous ones. It's actually a good deal from a writer's point of view. They can, say, decide Patrick Stewart is still old Xavier, but now do a proper Deadpool movie. On another note, I wonder if the movies will motivate Marvel to bring Xavier back in the comics. For years now he's kinda been sidelined from the very team that bears his name, in favor of Emma Frost. Baron Bifford fucked around with this message at 18:07 on May 23, 2014 |
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The only way I can see a good Deadpool movie happening is if it's basically a semi-parody. A smartly written, self-aware, fourth wall breaking parody of superhero movies in general with Deadpool as the lead could be pretty damned entertaining. Otherwise, he's just a wisecracking sword flailing dude and isn't particularly interesting.
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SwissCM posted:The only way I can see a good Deadpool movie happening is if it's basically a semi-parody. A smartly written, self-aware, fourth wall breaking parody of superhero movies in general with Deadpool as the lead could be pretty damned entertaining. Otherwise, he's just a wisecracking sword flailing dude and isn't particularly interesting. Basically Kiss Kiss Bang Bang with less noir and more WACKY.
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