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Sir Kodiak posted:Sure, I'm not trying to defend the plot of The Wolverine, I'm not a particular fan of it. But what's the relevance of the "that, as of now, never happened" bit? No matter what happened in the movie, so long as it happened later than the early 70s, it would have been eliminated from the continuity. Also, the one actual thing that survived the timeline reset in DOFP (Wolverine and his personality) is the central focus of the film.
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Four of us marathoned all the movies leading up to DOFP. Most of us had only seen X1 and 2 - I saw First Class as well. After seeing X3 and Wolverine Origins, I can see how anyone's faith would've been shaken. After those 2, The Wolverine was a blast. The lizard lady and robo-samurai were lame but basically all the other parts were fun and it had a nice style to it. Also quite liked the WW2 bombing intro. Also it results in people posting in a thread about films made from kids' comic books that derisively spit on anime fans. I don't like anime, but does posting on a paid forum about X-men movies really make you feel superior? They're the same drat concept for two different cultures.
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Oct 20, 2014 19:43
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If the forums were free could we make fun of anime then?
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Oct 20, 2014 20:35
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Who's done dissed anime in this thread??
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Oct 20, 2014 22:51
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Justin Godscock posted:But it really doesn't make any sense to have made The Wolverine given Fox knew DOFP was going to throw everything aside from First Class out the window including the good X-Men films (X1 and X2). I disagree - Wolverine is now the sole carry-over from the previous set of films a la Old Spock in the Trek reboot, so it makes sense that he'd have his own wrap-up story before they wrote over it. He got a plot arc to deal with the emotional fallout of X-Men 3 before heading into the next arc. He's like closure personified at this point.
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sticklefifer posted:I disagree - Wolverine is now the sole carry-over from the previous set of films a la Old Spock in the Trek reboot, so it makes sense that he'd have his own wrap-up story before they wrote over it. He got a plot arc to deal with the emotional fallout of X-Men 3 before heading into the next arc. He's like closure personified at this point. Not exactly, unless Kitty Pride is going to be massaging his head from now on, our Wolverine's consciousness lives in the present and it seems like the movies are going in the direction of following the younger generation of X-men.
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I just watched this movie and all I can say is holy poo poo. There were so many great things happening in this flick. I loved how the film focused on a very small core group of charactors. It really reminded me of the x-men universe from back in the 80s and 90s. Most of the time the entire group was never together. My favorite stories were always the ones about the small ragtag/hodge podge group of x-men that weren't dead or mia that had to deal with some real poo poo with little support. I stopped reading the comics a long time ago but I've always considered myself a fan. I heard the series really tanked so I never watched any after X2 (and honestly I wasn't really into that one either). I was totally skeptical when I heard about this movie being great but after seeing the rotten tomatoes scores I gave it a shot and I'm glad I did. They reset the timeline in classic comic story arc style and produced an exceptional comic movie. I loved it and I'm really excited to see an apocalypse movie (and hopefully it'll have mother loving cable). davey4283 fucked around with this message at 16:44 on Oct 21, 2014 |
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Oct 21, 2014 16:41
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I'd give Xmen First Class a shot.
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Oct 22, 2014 02:00
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Does the opening scene take place in China to encourage Chinese people to see it?
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IIRC (and I don't know much about it so I might be wrong) China only allows a certain number of "non-Chinese" movies to be screened in the country every year; by adding these bogus China scenes Hollywood gets around this restriction (and the Chinese government sort of tacitly admits that they want to see more movies than this ban would allow). I believe Looper included some extra China scenes and had the main character move to China for the same exact reason. Edit: I just wanted to say that, pertaining to this film, I love Fassbender's Magneto performance and love the character in this movie. He's a bad guy, but a perfectly understandable one. Magneto Was Right.
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^^ You are not the only one Megaman's Jockstrap posted:IIRC (and I don't know much about it so I might be wrong) China only allows a certain number of "non-Chinese" movies to be screened in the country every year; by adding these bogus China scenes Hollywood gets around this restriction (and the Chinese government sort of tacitly admits that they want to see more movies than this ban would allow). I believe Looper included some extra China scenes and had the main character move to China for the same exact reason. Iron Man 3 had a whole subplot involving a Chinese scientist that was not in the American version. bobkatt013 fucked around with this message at 16:41 on Oct 23, 2014 |
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Oct 23, 2014 16:38
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I love how seriously they took 1973. Early 70s aesthetic is one of my favorites, and they really made it look like 1973. Even Quicksilver's anachronistic tape deck looks like some appropriately late 60s piece of audio editing equipment (his headphones are bullshit though--the music doesn't have to be diegetic). The future scenes seemed kind of strained and full of exposition, and also looked weirdly cheap for being probably pretty expensive. I think I liked it aside from Jennifer Lawrence looking like a teenager playing dress up.
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Jack Gladney posted:I love how seriously they took 1973. Early 70s aesthetic is one of my favorites, and they really made it look like 1973. Even Quicksilver's anachronistic tape deck looks like some appropriately late 60s piece of audio editing equipment (his headphones are bullshit though--the music doesn't have to be diegetic). They did some pretty good research on that. http://www.tested.com/art/movies/461631-x-men-tale-portable-tape/
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Trump posted:They did some pretty good research on that. All of that is amazing, not just the stuff about the movie (which is amazing). I've never thought about what it must have been like to suddenly be able to stand outside and listen to music. I believe the guy when he says it was like he was floating to be able to hear music over headphones while in the forest.
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Jack Gladney posted:All of that is amazing, not just the stuff about the movie (which is amazing). I've never thought about what it must have been like to suddenly be able to stand outside and listen to music. I believe the guy when he says it was like he was floating to be able to hear music over headphones while in the forest. I hope anyone listening to headphones in a forest gets mauled by a cougar.
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Oct 24, 2014 00:18
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While listening to John Cougar Mellencamp
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Tezcatlipoca posted:I hope anyone listening to headphones in a forest gets mauled by John Cougar Mellencamp. How about that?
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Oct 24, 2014 00:43
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I really loved this movie but it fails at time travel the same way Back to the Future did: 1973 Wolverine woke up from his possession, lived his life for fifty years, and then loving ceased to be for some other guy to inhabit his body. How does Professor X break this to Jean and everyone else? Even if he floods his brain with The Other Wolverine We Don't Care About's entire life history and thoughts, he's still not the same guy. It's really morbid that the film considers it a happy ending with everything resolved.
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Kasonic posted:I really loved this movie but it fails at time travel the same way Back to the Future did: 1973 Wolverine woke up from his possession, lived his life for fifty years, and then loving ceased to be for some other guy to inhabit his body. How does Professor X break this to Jean and everyone else? Even if he floods his brain with The Other Wolverine We Don't Care About's entire life history and thoughts, he's still not the same guy. Well it is kind of a happy ending when the alternative is super terminators murdering all mutants and locking up all the humans.
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Trump posted:They did some pretty good research on that. I think the more important question is whether the technology existed to be able to coherently play Time in a Bottle when it's sped up enough for Quicksilver to listen to half of it during a milliseconds-long gun fight.
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speshl guy posted:I think the more important question is whether the technology existed to be able to coherently play Time in a Bottle when it's sped up enough for Quicksilver to listen to half of it during a milliseconds-long gun fight. He just holds down FFWD the whole time
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Kasonic posted:I really loved this movie but it fails at time travel the same way Back to the Future did: 1973 Wolverine woke up from his possession, lived his life for fifty years, and then loving ceased to be for some other guy to inhabit his body. How does Professor X break this to Jean and everyone else? Even if he floods his brain with The Other Wolverine We Don't Care About's entire life history and thoughts, he's still not the same guy. As many people have said, it's a small price to pay for a world to exist where everyone isn't dead.
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Oct 24, 2014 14:39
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How does one "fail" a fictional process that is at the behest of the creator of a narrative to use as he sees fit and whose rules are only defined by how they need to be defined to make the story work is the bigger question here.
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Oct 24, 2014 16:47
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Also, we haven't seen how the next movie will handle that 'problem' yet. Maybe they won't sweep it under the rug.
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Kasonic posted:I really loved this movie but it fails at time travel the same way Back to the Future did: 1973 Wolverine woke up from his possession, lived his life for fifty years, and then loving ceased to be for some other guy to inhabit his body. How does Professor X break this to Jean and everyone else? Even if he floods his brain with The Other Wolverine We Don't Care About's entire life history and thoughts, he's still not the same guy. Well let's call the Future Wolverine Wolverine F, and the other Wolverine Wolverine P. If Wolverine F fails at his mission, there is no Wolverine P/Wolverine P has the same experiences as Wolverine F, basically. Wolverine P is just a guy who experiences a 3 day blackout before living out the exact same sequence of events as Wolverine F. Wolverine F and P both die on a slab 50 years after the Sentinel Incident, disintegrated by Sentinels during an unsuccessful attempt to change the past. By changing events, Wolverine F creates Wolverine P, a version of himself that suffers from a 3 day blackout and then is pulled out of the Potomac and then lives through a mostly similar but more positive series of events. I think we can safely interpret Wolverine P's life as a "similar series of events" since he still ends up at the mansion, still knows all the same people, still has the same relationships with the characters and the characters have the same relationships with each other. In fact the only thing that seems to have changed is that the entire world wasn't reduced to a smoldering ruin by a mutant-human war and that the major events of X-3: The Last Stand didn't occur. In other words, the most egregious mistakes of the past never happened. The movie did a poor job, IMO, of explaining that Wolverine P didn't experience a completely different life from Wolverine F. It would have helped, for example, if upon Wolverine F's return to the future, he popped his claws and ruefully discovered that they were still adamantium; that he had still gone through the Weapon X program and still lost his memory and still gone to the mansion with Rogue etc. etc. etc. and so essentially saying that Wolverine P had experienced 99% of the same things as Wolverine F and that this was the same character, just one who remembered a war that had been erased from history. Instead the movie ends with a scene of Wolverine P being pulled out of the Potomac by Mystique-as-Stryker, directly contradicting what went down in Wolverine: Origins (not that this is a bad thing!) and making the viewer think, "hold on, this new Wolverine is going through completely different experiences! And that will all be nullified in 50 years when Wolverine F pops back into his head and erases his memory of those different experiences!" But, unless the next movie contradicts this theory, I choose to interpret the happy ending as showing that both Wolverine F and P's lives followed the same general road until the beginning of the Sentinel/Mutant War (which isn't more than 10 years old). This has been your daily pedantic nerd time travel discussion and over-analysis of a comic book movie. At least I had fun with it. 
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Oct 24, 2014 17:15
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What are a few decades of differences in terms of Wolverine's long life anyways?
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I like MJ's explanation and will be keeping it from now on. It's not like some other Wolverine got erased, exactly, substantively it's the same person with just a few historical details different.
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A completely different consciousness with different memories entered a head one day. The consciousness that was there the day before no longer exists and has been superseded. I guess it depends on your definition of what makes 'you' you, but the fact that Xavier even has to fill Wolverine in at all on a different history proves that the consciousness that was in that head before no longer exists or has any affect on the current consciousness. That's kind of messed up, the previous consciousness had no idea when he went to sleep that night that when he woke up, his body would have been taken over by an alternate reality version of himself.
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Well, none of it's real, so I'll just go with the non-creepy non-hosed up explanation tyvm 
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Oct 25, 2014 01:51
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Yeah it is kind of messed up. Everyone everywhere dying is more so though!
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Wolverine just lost his memories again, he's been through it before. Except now he has new memories that are only kind of accurate to replace them.
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Oct 25, 2014 03:05
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Could be one of those deals where his new memories slowly start to surface so he doesn't go nuts.
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Oct 25, 2014 07:34
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Actually dying is probably a win for Wolverine at this point. Let him have this one.
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A thought struck me as I was jogging today: Wolverine is in a sense a rape survivor. This was a troubling thought.
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Speleothing posted:Also, we haven't seen how the next movie will handle that 'problem' yet. Maybe they won't sweep it under the rug. Isn't Apocalypse taking place in the 80's? It should be Past Wolverine, then.
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I personally hope that Wolverine of the 70s does not have any residual memories from Future Wolverine. It might be fun to start over with the character.
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Yeah probably for the best the guy was a mess and none of the movies made any effort to actually address his psychological problems aside from having him wake up in the middle of the night sweaty with his claws out. wow he's so haunted
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speshl guy posted:Yeah probably for the best the guy was a mess and none of the movies made any effort to actually address his psychological problems aside from having him wake up in the middle of the night sweaty with his claws out. wow he's so haunted Did you watch The Wolverine?
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The way I interpreted Wolverine's interaction with Charles at the end, this is how I figured both the movie and its aftermath played out: -Future Wolverine takes over 70s Wolverine's consciousness for a few days (aside from a few vague glimpses of what was happening when Kitty's link was shaken). -With the conflict resolved, 70s Wolverine returns having no idea what happened, but I assume Charles explained it to him. -Future Wolverine comes back in that denouement scene, taking over 70s Wolverine's mind again. Charles basically tells him they've got a lot to catch up on (end of movie). -Charles fixes him so he now is able to merge both versions of himself (offscreen after DoFP). Charles is the most powerful psychic in the world and can enter people's heads and change stuff around. I wouldn't doubt the way they go in the story (and the easiest way to retcon) is that Future Wolverine overwrites 70s Wolverine, but Charles used his psychic manipulation magic to unlock 70s Wolverine's memories and experiences since the last time Future Wolverine took over - kind of like how everything came flooding back whenever Ashton Kutcher returned from a blackout in that lovely movie The Butterly Effect. So he remembers what happened in this timeline but didn't actually experience it. So going forward, Future Wolverine has taken over, but now he has 70s Wolverine's memories and current timeline experiences (from post-drowning up until pre-about-to-teach-a-history-class), as well as being the only person in the universe with memories of the events of X-Men 1-3 and the two Wolverine spinoffs.
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