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Hieronymous Alloy
Jan 30, 2009


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Oroborus posted:

My kindle is like 4 years old and the warranty is well past due. They did offer me a discount on a new one but it wasn't a big one. I guess I will just use my phone to read on Tuesday.

Remember you can also download the kindle for PC app and just read it on your computer (presuming you have access to a computer since you're here).

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Hieronymous Alloy
Jan 30, 2009


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Ok, that was silly-awesome.



I'm glad this one got back to just being a straight up single-volume rolling story with a few nice high points and a clean win at the end. Feels like one of the best volumes in the series to date, and exactly what the series needed right now, a nice clean excellent return to episodic form.

Hieronymous Alloy
Jan 30, 2009


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ImpAtom posted:

The feeling I get from it is basically a quiet retcon of its abilities to justify Dresden giving it up without significant power loss in the near future. It really doesn't mesh with everything that was described up until now.

Like, the other Winter Knights have been spoken of as giant terrifying badasses and I don't buy that just being because they didn't have limits, especially since a lot of them were not magicians and thus wouldn't have Harry's super-healing powers and thus should probably be an nonfunctioning wreck within a few weeks, not a few years.


Well, for most normal humans, suddenly being able to do really powerful and finely-controlled frost magic would be a major, major power boost. And they might get wizard-style healing from the mantle, too. This could be a case where a wizard getting a mantle is kinda like putting fudge topping on a fudge brownie, if that makes sense.

Hieronymous Alloy
Jan 30, 2009


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Morbid Hound
Please remember to use spoiler tags, folks. I know it seems crazy that anyone reading this thread right now hasn't read the new book but someone might come info the thread to ask if it's out yet or something.

Hieronymous Alloy
Jan 30, 2009


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The problem with Murphy is Butcher has kinda written himself into a corner with her. The more powerful everything gets the less able Murphy is to keep up. Her character arc kinda peaked in the post-Changes short story and there aren't many places for her to go from here; giving her a Sword was too obvious and almost anything else would involve her going evil given the strictures of Butcher's world. .

Hieronymous Alloy
Jan 30, 2009


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Silento posted:

:smug: Hoping this pans out so I can say I predicted something at least one time.

I enjoyed Skin Game. It wasn't quite as good as Cold Days, but still among the better books in the series. The action was really solid, and some of the twists really surprised me.

"

Does anyone mind explaining to me what the Spear of Destiny is? My family is Jewish, and I've never studied much religion anyhow.


The spear that pierced Christ's side during the Crucifixion -- essentially, the weapon that actually dealt Christ's death blow. In the Grail Legend, the Fisher King was wounded by the Holy Lance, and hence could only be healed by drinking from the Grail..

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Hieronymous Alloy
Jan 30, 2009


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Xtanstic posted:

My guess is he met him in a short story that hasn't yet been collected into a compilation


There's a series of three Harry Dresden stories about Bigfoot.

quote:

“I Was A Teenage Bigfoot” — from Blood Lite 3: Aftertaste, edited by Kevin J. Anderson.
Takes place circa Dead Beat.
Released 5/29/2012.

“Bigfoot on Campus” — from Hex Appeal, edited by P.N. Elrod.
Takes place between Turn Coat and Changes.
Released 6/05/2012.

“B is for Bigfoot” — from Under My Hat: Tales From the Cauldron, edited by Jonathan Strahan.
Takes place between Fool Moon and Grave Peril.

Hieronymous Alloy
Jan 30, 2009


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Tornhelm posted:

I doubt he'll go this way, but also:
Butters is Jewish, and we know from the swords descended from royalty. If he's descended from Rehoboam it'd bring the Ten Lost Tribes into the mix which are associated with the coming of the Messiah too.

Probably be easier to just go House of David.

Hieronymous Alloy
Jan 30, 2009


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There's some good evidence for the Cowl-as-Fomor theory but I can't remember all of it off the top of my head. It would explain the cowl, for one thing, without it being a cheap gimmick along the lines of "cowl is Justin" or "Cowl is Future Harry"; he's not wearing the cowl because Harry would recognize him, but because everyone would see his gills. Also he uses some Fae speech formulations like "thrice I ask and done," and some of his magic has a mildewy signature or something like that.

Hieronymous Alloy
Jan 30, 2009


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docbeard posted:


Even so, if not Ferrovax, I have absolutely no doubt we'll see someone/something in that weight class on the enemy team, and Harry will at one point be expected to fight it without his magic, all his various limbs broken, and with someone shouting in his ear every three seconds to distract him, because that's just the sort of thing that happens in this series.

And while juggling a baby in his left (broken) hand.

Hieronymous Alloy
Jan 30, 2009


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I'm so ready for Harry to pull a "The Boys are Back in Town" on the Fomor.

Hieronymous Alloy
Jan 30, 2009


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Getting back to general urban fantasy, there's a Charles Stross Laundry Files short up on Tor.com :

http://www.tor.com/stories/2013/09/equoid

Hieronymous Alloy
Jan 30, 2009


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Fried Chicken posted:

Since September, yes. Tor is nice about leaving those up there for years. Also no DRM

Heh, sorry then :P I saw it as part of a new post about tor.com's original fiction hugo finalists being free: http://www.tor.com/blogs/2014/05/get-torcoms-original-fiction-hugo-finalists-for-free

Hieronymous Alloy
Jan 30, 2009


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I'm waiting for Harry's reaction to Bob asking Lil Lash out on a date. Or to "swap information.".

Hieronymous Alloy
Jan 30, 2009


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ZorajitZorajit posted:


On a tangential note, the nature of The White God confuses me some. Because the series recognizes that other gods, small 'g' exist, we've met like half a dozen, they're Nevernever entities just like everybody else. So, is the Abrahmic God following the same rules and is just obnoxiously powerful due to having three surviving (or more) religions acknowledging him? Or does Butcher just fiatting that in the Dresden-verse that Hindu, Shinto, Zoroastrians, etc. are all objectively not worshipping the right entity.

The impression I get is that "reality" is somewhat flexible in the Dresdenverse once you get far enough up the power scale -- i.e., the God of Abraham might be both just following the rules laid out for all the other small-g gods, and also the One True God of Creation.

Hieronymous Alloy
Jan 30, 2009


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Going through my re-read.

We still don't have confirmation of who was behind the Hexenwolf belts in Fool Moon, correct? Apart from a general indication that it may have been Lord Raith, since 1) Raith was probably behind the events of Storm Front, 2) the Hexenwolves were told Harry was dangerous (thus aiming them at him somewhat indirectly), 3) the White Court operates indirectly, and 4) there seems to have been a Nemesis connection?

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Hieronymous Alloy
Jan 30, 2009


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Screen Door Slams posted:

Wait, where're you getting the Raith-Storm Front connection? I never picked up on that.



It's subtly hinted in a few different ways. The biggest hint is that Victor Sell's previous employer was "SilverCo". Plus it fits the same MO as in Blood Rites, Sells uses lust to power his magic, the first two targets are direct competitors, etc.

electricsugar posted:


But goddamn is Butcher capable of describing a woman in a non-creepy/misogynistic way? It's just so off-putting. Does he really have to describe the size and shape of the breasts of every new female character?

Every other aspect of the series gets significantly better!

Real answer: he gets slightly better about it but this is probably the area where he's shown the least improvement overall.

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Hieronymous Alloy
Jan 30, 2009


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Roger Tangerines posted:

To be fair, objectifying descriptions of women are a staple of the detective novels that inspired Dresden. After the first couple of books Butcher shifts away from Harry being horribly fedora-in-the-2010s goony about women and brings him more into line with fedora-in-the-30s PIs, and from there on it's not so noticable.

And then Skin Game, which has that one scene which really didn't need to go into so much goddamn detail.

Yeah the problem is that in Skin Game and Cold Days he just sortof went off the deep end with the objectification. Nothing in Skin Game was as unnecessary as the "vajazzling."

Hieronymous Alloy
Jan 30, 2009


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mbottoms posted:

I thought the vajazzling was totally in character for maeve.

It was, but . . still.

Hieronymous Alloy
Jan 30, 2009


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treeboy posted:


For actual content, what's this "That seems inconsistent" quote people are talking about? I skimmed back a couple pages and didn't see what it was in reference to (I'm assuming a question at a Con/signing)

When Harry is pierced by iron in Skin Game, he doesn't become paralyzed, whereas when he said "gently caress Winter Law" in Cold Days, he did.

My guess is that saying "gently caress winter law" broke his bargain with Mab in some way and actually undid the prior healing (temporarily). Either way it seems like it's probably an important distinction.

Hieronymous Alloy
Jan 30, 2009


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New personal pet theory as I work my way through the re-read:

Ivy's mother is in a persistent vegetative state. Nicodemus has the Grail.

Hieronymous Alloy
Jan 30, 2009


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Xtanstic posted:

Wait how is this possible? I thought Ivy's mom is dead, or else Ivy wouldn't be The Archive.

It's in Death Masks. The Archive mantle passed to Ivy when her mother went into the persistent vegetative state.

Hieronymous Alloy
Jan 30, 2009


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Xtanstic posted:

So are you assuming The Grail has restorative properties, ala The Last Crusade? Would that fit in-universe when we already have The Shroud of Turin?

Well, it's a traditional power: the whole point of the Grail in Arthurian Mythology (shameless plug!) is that drinking from it cures incurable wounds. That's why they're all questing for it -- to heal the Fisher King.

Hieronymous Alloy
Jan 30, 2009


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TenaciousJ posted:

Flaws make characters relatable, and Dresden himself does a pretty good job of letting us know it's not acceptable to act on those thoughts.

I'd rather have a society that accepts that sometimes people have thoughts that shouldn't be acted on but are normal to have than to remove all instances of it so kids growing up can have even worse issues with all their bad, unacceptable thoughts that apparently no one else ever has. Dresden being visually attracted to women is Dresden acting on biological programming as a man. Straight and gay men look at the same places on their preferred partners, so it's not just about objectifying women. Let's not make Dresden even less real because some people want to thought-police society.

I just wish Dresden was making a little more progress as a character in this area instead of backsliding so badly. The high point on his character arc in this regard was probably when he told Molly that sex with his apprentice was never, ever going to happen because that would be morally wrong. Since that time . . . well, the past few books have been verging into John Ringo -esque "I hate rapists because I'm a rapist at heart myself but don't act on it" voyeur-porn.

It's a known character flaw, it's explained in the plot and there are story reasons for it, just. . yeurgh. It's not like Winter is mating season.

Hieronymous Alloy
Jan 30, 2009


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Wachepti posted:

No, I understand that's the prevailing view around here but I don't think it makes much sense.

I'm inclined to agree with you that "The Adversary" was a reference to the White God in that context. I do partly wonder if "Nemesis" in the Dresdenverse is another name for Lucifer -- it doesn't seem likely but it does seem possible.

Hieronymous Alloy
Jan 30, 2009


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Scintilla posted:

One interesting thing I picked up from re-reading Cold Days was Sarissa mentioning to Harry that her sister (Whom we later find out is Maeve) has a form of congenital dementia. Which explains a lot.

My reading of that is that she's referring to her sister being Fae.

Hieronymous Alloy
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Tunicate posted:

'Eldest' is apparently one of the more powerful mantles.

Which makes sense, given the long-term popularity of the Three Billy Goats Gruff story.

Hieronymous Alloy
Jan 30, 2009


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There's "mortal" and there's "human." "Human" seems to mean "still has free will," i.e., capable of making choices and not purely an instrument or agent of Power. The more power you have, generally, the less choice you have -- vampires are in thrall to their vampire nature, the Fae are bound by Summer and Winter and their word and promises and so forth, Angels and Archangels have very very strict boundaries they can act within, etc.

I don't know if "mortal" is synonymous with "human" in the Dresden lexicon but it seems to be pretty close in meaning.

Hieronymous Alloy
Jan 30, 2009


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Lord Twisted posted:

I confess I skipped a page or two of this thread but I thought the Gate of Blood was explainable!

Why didn't he use a mook? Because the Gate demanded more than just a death - it demanded your BLOOD. Aka a family member, and it could sense how the shade died. That was why it had to be Deirdre.

Alternatively, she's pretty strong and perhaps it needed a shade of a certain quality to be able to immediately manifest, cross reference that with one Nicodemus trusts and wouldn't make Harry suspicious of.


I think it probably needed a willing shade that would actually open the gate after death.

Hieronymous Alloy
Jan 30, 2009


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Fried Chicken posted:

I figure ultimately he will do the "consume your magical power" thing of the dark hallow to the prisoners in demo reach. He's far away so no one else will die and he destroys a bunch if evil things to boost himself/replenish the areas energy

That might be how he goes out at the very, very end of the series.

Hieronymous Alloy
Jan 30, 2009


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Taratang posted:

Frankly Dresden is very lucky to have regained the Winter mantle after breaking Winter Law.

I'm not sure Dresden ever actually did break Winter Law. He just declared an intention to break Winter Law, and he is still mortal (that being the whole point of the Knights) so still does technically have choice.

Hieronymous Alloy
Jan 30, 2009


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-Fish- posted:

New question for the thread: Do the Ghostbusters count as urban fantasy?

Ghostbusters is sci-fi.

Hieronymous Alloy
Jan 30, 2009


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computer parts posted:

if it was set 400 years earlier but with the same premise it wouldn't be.

But it's set in the present and ultimately, they're scientists.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sEbSABWJiJc

Hieronymous Alloy
Jan 30, 2009


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Deptfordx posted:

Isn't Binders whole Schtick "Always professional", which means never mixing business with pleasure.

I have a sneaking suspicion that Binder was one of Jim's secondary City of Heroes characters (a summoner).

Hieronymous Alloy
Jan 30, 2009


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Illuyankas posted:

Black Mages is copyrighted.

Also, let's face it, racist. (with a hat tip to the PC Grant / Rivers of London series for pointing that out in hilarious fashion)

Hieronymous Alloy
Jan 30, 2009


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Renegret posted:

That's good.

I actually have trouble reading books if I know the author is an enormous tool, and I know next to nothing about Jim Butcher.



There you go. That's all you need to know.

Jim's a geek but he's the best kind of friendly, self-aware, non-disturbing geek.

Hieronymous Alloy
Jan 30, 2009


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SolTerrasa posted:

Halting State is by far my favorite Stross book, too. Do we have a Stross thread around here? It's nothing at all like the Dresden Files so there's not a ton to say in this thread, but it's amazing and I want to talk about it.

Now would be a great time for someone to start a Stross thread since the new Laundry Files book is out, but please put all Rhesus related content in spoilers, if only because I'm like actively reading the book right now but still have to read the reports when people report things for being spoilers. Thanks!

Hieronymous Alloy
Jan 30, 2009


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Hieronymous Alloy
Jan 30, 2009


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awesmoe posted:

Just to give another view on The Rook, I thought it was amateur-hour babby's-first-novel NaNoWriMo bullshit. I thought it was written terribly, not actually edited at all, and everything else about it was pretty bad too. It's like that kindle favourite 'the many lives of tao' in that I wasn't sure the book I was reading was the same one people recommended.


Did you check? There are actually like three different novels with that title.

It is definitely a first novel but I thought it was at least as good as, say, the first Dresden book. If nothing else, it's got a female protagonist who's self-directed and not just chasing a man.

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Hieronymous Alloy
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ImpAtom posted:

I never understood why people got upset at Murphy in Fool Moon considering basically the only thing she is doing wrong is not assuming Harry Dresden's plotcock is so gigantic he should be allowed to get away with lying and obstructing a murder investigation.

ImpAtom posted:

That's demonstrably false though. SI has been handling supernatural threats for some time. It's their entire reason for existing. They have trouble with super-high level major dangers but even in that case it is literally their job to do whatever they can to handle it.

The entire book is explicitly the result of Harry's problems and lack of trust and later books even have him admit as much. Him actually trusting people is better for everyone involved and is why we have stuff like the Paranet plotline which emphasizes that even people who are not heavy hitters are more useful when they are informed and connected.

Yeah, I get why people are annoyed by parts of Fool Moon but it's a critical book for Harry's and Murphy's character development and it has one of the best set-piece action sequences in the early series (Loup-Garou in the prison).

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