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Ernie Muppari
Aug 4, 2012

Keep this up G'Bert, and soon you won't have a pigeon to protect!

Pohl posted:

Morality is probably the easiest thing in the world. Humans have built in empathy pathways, they are built into our biology; that is where our morality comes from. If you have to actually stop and think about whether or not something is moral, then you have some serious issues.

But Hobbes said we needed Burger Kings and Dairy Queens to keep the rabble in check because of original sin man's naturally abhorrent state.

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Ernie Muppari
Aug 4, 2012

Keep this up G'Bert, and soon you won't have a pigeon to protect!

absolem posted:

except that my proof of my ethics is still looking pretty ok even after a couple of you had a go at it, and your proof of the double down is obviously awful

[Citation Needed]

Ernie Muppari
Aug 4, 2012

Keep this up G'Bert, and soon you won't have a pigeon to protect!
It's like the political version getting told that radios work because there're little gnomes inside.

Ernie Muppari
Aug 4, 2012

Keep this up G'Bert, and soon you won't have a pigeon to protect!

Pohl posted:

Where did the OP go? We were having such an interesting conversation and then he just vanished.

Maybe he found out he was living on stolen land and is voluntarily returning it and all his former possessions to the rightful owners of that land?

Ernie Muppari
Aug 4, 2012

Keep this up G'Bert, and soon you won't have a pigeon to protect!
^^^^
I consider the above post to be a violation of the NAP, and the poster should be dealt with accordingly. :v:

Caros posted:

Still posting in D&D, so I think we scared him off. :(

Well that's not very moral of him. :colbert:

Ernie Muppari fucked around with this message at 03:02 on May 23, 2014

Ernie Muppari
Aug 4, 2012

Keep this up G'Bert, and soon you won't have a pigeon to protect!

icantfindaname posted:

You're making this way, way more complicated than it needs to be. Don't bother telling him to read Rawls or Marx or whatever the gently caress, just make him confront the fact that supporting property rights over human life is intuitively wrong and hosed up in the abstract. The great thing about the a priori bit is all you have to do is destroy the foundations in the abstract and the whole thing immediately implodes. By engaging woth the shell of pseudointellectual garbage they put out you legitimatize it. The assumptions it's based on are flatly wrong and this is apparant to all people who aren't sociopaths if you present it that way.

Basically yeah, this.

absolem, ask yourself why anyone who disagrees with you shouldn't.

Ernie Muppari
Aug 4, 2012

Keep this up G'Bert, and soon you won't have a pigeon to protect!

Ghost of Reagan Past posted:

Hobbes is basically the anti-libertarian so it'd be the weirdest typo.

I 'unno dude, the line between advocating for Randian Supermen to be given full control over society because the drat dirty takers are inherently inferior, and claiming that humanity needs monarchs because plebes are just too stupid and selfish, is pretty fuzzy.

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Ernie Muppari
Aug 4, 2012

Keep this up G'Bert, and soon you won't have a pigeon to protect!

StashAugustine posted:

(not challenging the politics behind it, specifically questioning the morality)
What if he had to kill a security guard to get the drugs? Does he not have to care about right and wrong then?

What if he had to destroy Gotham to get the drags?!

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