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HootTheOwl posted:I think a moose can take aroo I don't want to though.
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HootTheOwl posted:I think a moose can take aroo They probably can, but I also don't want moose in more places they're currently not.
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Nobody is shocked that Libertarians want the justice system to be a bunch of kangaroo courts.
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I cannot stress how angry this makes a lot of conservatives. https://twitter.com/LouisianaLp/status/1770470050392056109?t=KFPJ72oCMflrahBSItHK_w&s=19
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I rarely have to give it to libertarians, but that's actually ideologically consistent of them.
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VitalSigns posted:Replies are a Nazi convention jeez The mises caucus within the formal party are brownshirts in all but costume, so that tracks.
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Yep, reactionaries seem to be telling Libertarians "get in line" when discussing who needs to go up against the wall.
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Liquid Communism posted:I rarely have to give it to libertarians, but that's actually ideologically consistent of them. There are the rare ideologically consistent libertarians who actually believe in it and don't have the requisite third braincell to realise it's nonfunctional in practice. Nature's perfect idiot.
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hooman posted:There are the rare ideologically consistent libertarians who actually believe in it and don't have the requisite third braincell to realise it's nonfunctional in practice. I think you mean, who haven't been jaded into submission. Idealism continues to be considered the realm of political children who haven't experienced the misgivings of the "real world".
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I would describe myself as an idealist but I'm not a libertarian because I don't think the ideals I desire can be achieved with guns and more capitalism.
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Isn't this the head of the group that took over the Libertarian party? If so I'm not terribly surprised he's like this. https://twitter.com/fakertarians/status/1772424276248821765?t=9pFkoJ9Qk-BUkyXnIsoDzg&s=19
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Panfilo posted:Isn't this the head of the group that took over the Libertarian party? If so I'm not terribly surprised he's like this. Also the ghost writer of Ron Paul's racist rear end newsletter.
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Serotoning posted:I think you mean, who haven't been jaded into submission. Idealism continues to be considered the realm of political children who haven't experienced the misgivings of the "real world". No, I don't. It may be idealism that leads you to libertarianism, but it's absolutely "thinking things through" that leads you out of it. You can still be an idealist without being a libertarian. hooman fucked around with this message at 01:14 on Mar 27, 2024 |
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Panfilo posted:Isn't this the head of the group that took over the Libertarian party? If so I'm not terribly surprised he's like this. Yeah, Lew Rockwell is a giant piece of poo poo. Chairman of the Mises Institute since 1982 and worked for John Birch Society then Ron Paul before that. He's not just a radical right libertarian, he's also a neo-confederate, racist, and homophobe. Both he and the now-former research head of the Mises Institute Jeffrey Tucker are involved with the League of the South, a successionist white supremacist christofascist org that advocates for the south to secede and become a white homeland. Tucker is, of course, big into bitcoin.
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Panfilo posted:Isn't this the head of the group that took over the Libertarian party? If so I'm not terribly surprised he's like this. Mises Institute (Lee Rockwell's group) and Mises Caucus (of Libertarian Party takeover fame) are technically different organizations, though I don't know if there's any daylight between them on all the various "how racist can we be about this?" issues, and I believe the latter was named after and mb modeled on the former
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https://twitter.com/thehill/status/1772993510314016893?t=-jPCpfk0Kq2BNcJL1JhT6w&s=19 Why did Libertarians like this guy again?
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Panfilo posted:https://twitter.com/thehill/status/1772993510314016893?t=-jPCpfk0Kq2BNcJL1JhT6w&s=19 Because he's antivax
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Panfilo posted:https://twitter.com/thehill/status/1772993510314016893?t=-jPCpfk0Kq2BNcJL1JhT6w&s=19 I literally know one thing about this woman, and that she shores up rfk's issue with being an antivax weirdo by *checks notes* being an antivax weirdo. I only learned this today. Dude would have done better just putting Ysanne Isard on the ballot like his fans wanted.
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reignonyourparade posted:Because he's antivax That and he promised to be a Democratic spoiler-candidate against Biden (Which a lot of these guys viewed as a path to victory) before suddenly going "Eh, nah" and going independent
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DarklyDreaming posted:That and he promised to be a Democratic spoiler-candidate against Biden (Which a lot of these guys viewed as a path to victory) before suddenly going "Eh, nah" and going independent More accurately the polling showed that RFK was taking votes away from Trump and they don't want that.
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Grace Baiting posted:Mises Institute (Lee Rockwell's group) and Mises Caucus (of Libertarian Party takeover fame) are technically different organizations, though I don't know if there's any daylight between them on all the various "how racist can we be about this?" issues, and I believe the latter was named after and mb modeled on the former There is not. The whole genesis of the Mises Caucus was the Libertarian National Committee trying to distance themselves from the Mises Institute after they were involved in Unite the Right and the Mises Institute President, Jeff Deist, got caught using straight-up Nazi rhetoric like "blood and soil and God and nation still matter to people" in thinkpieces for the institute.
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Everyone is Slavery except my political ideology: https://twitter.com/CptAncapistan/status/1777454895043375458?t=R-qDxbOtRvWXTgK5ZcFOFQ&s=19
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Panfilo posted:Everyone is Slavery except my political ideology: Everything is Slavery, except for actual slavery, which is just a labor dispute.
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There's slavery (historically) of varying degrees of brutality, but partial slavery seems novel. Is it like, part-time slavery? Has that existed? I guess I can see it the other way, a slave works on their own plot of land on their "spare" time, or something. Were the workers in the Ford factories, when ol'Henry was still kicking around, partial slaves? They toiled at whatever the factory told 'em to, and Henry had a morality police checking up on them at home, so even their free time was monitored by their "master". It's still an absurd example since Ford didn't (as far as I know  ) forcibly abduct people to work for him.
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Rappaport posted:Were the workers in the Ford factories, when ol'Henry was still kicking around, partial slaves? They toiled at whatever the factory told 'em to, and Henry had a morality police checking up on them at home, so even their free time was monitored by their "master". No that's freedom. In a truly freed market your employer and/or landlord will have a wealth of DROs to choose from to regulate your obedience to his particular religious observance/dietary laws/sexual hangups/kinks/media consumption/drug or alcohol or caffeine restrictions/choice of spouse/acceptable lawn decorations/child-rearing philosophy/grammar pet-peeves/dress code. I hope you're not wearing white after Labor Day, that's a citation buddy.
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Rappaport posted:There's slavery (historically) of varying degrees of brutality, but partial slavery seems novel. Is it like, part-time slavery? Has that existed? Sounds like you're describing serfdom, which is honestly pretty close to slavery in a lot of ways.
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Rappaport posted:There's slavery (historically) of varying degrees of brutality, but partial slavery seems novel. Is it like, part-time slavery? Has that existed? It's hardly unusual outside of libertarian circles to describe "slavery" as most properly used to refer to "full ownership of one person by another" systems including a range from full-on chattel slavery to a number of historical models where slaves had significantly more legal protections and conditions. And then from there to define a spectrum of exploitation where you don't use "slave" to literally describe serfdom, prisoner labor, residents of company towns, or people who can't quit a bad job because they'd lose their health care, but you recognize the similarities and how one can flow into the other. "Partial slavery" is a weird way to phrase it, but wouldn't stand out in such an argument. Libertarians just turn it into nonsense because they pluck out literally anything that involves exploitation of labor by capital and replace it with any sort of "government does thing I don't like."
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Rappaport posted:There's slavery (historically) of varying degrees of brutality, but partial slavery seems novel. Is it like, part-time slavery? Has that existed? There are lots of setups of partial slavery in history. Slavery for a set amount of time as punishment for a crime still exists today, though in the US people avoid the term 'slavery' for prison labor and it's explicitly allowed under the amendment that banned chattel slavery. Serfdom was a form of slavery where the slave was bound to a piece of land instead of being directly bought or sold, but still is owned by someone and can't simply leave.
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Indentured servitude is the term you're looking for. There was a history in America of people agreeing to work without pay for some period of time, often as as the price of passage over to America. It often gets overlooked between better living conditions, the fact that it was [supposed to be] temporary and voluntary, and the fact that it isn't sociologically relevant in any modern racial power structure. If you go digging further back into European history there's a host of other grey areas where people enter into some kind of seemingly unfree servitude of their own free will. Supposedly a lot of serfdom got its start from people voluntarily being bound into the system because it was a mutual agreement and their labor would be reciprocated with protection from their lord, which was more relevant in much more dangerous European times. Even in ancient Rome you can dig up some weird examples of people voluntarily entering into slavery. Famously there were a couple different ways that the South tried to reassert the old order but without the precise structures of slavery, and they had varying levels of success, but with something like working at a Ford factory, while Ford was weird and gross and creepy, is very much entirely unlike most forms of slavery because you could just leave, the primary threat is being fired. You won't be hunted down by dogs for walking off the job and you can't get sold down the river. Something like a company town might be more like slavery, and I expect Ford was more of a slavedriver with his failed rubber plantation, but just being weird and creepy to your workers is a different kind of offense.
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That's true, I'd forgotten indentured servitude  I was mostly thinking that Russian serfs, Roman slaves etc. were full-time slaves, even if the latter could in some cases eventually buy their freedom they were fully slaves for the duration. Ah well, this is what you get for posting before morning caffeine, my bad folks.
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SlothfulCobra posted:Indentured servitude is the term you're looking for. There was a history in America of people agreeing to work without pay for some period of time, often as as the price of passage over to America. It often gets overlooked between better living conditions, the fact that it was [supposed to be] temporary and voluntary, and the fact that it isn't sociologically relevant in any modern racial power structure. Ford literally tried to run his rubber plantation like a 9-5 factory, with the somewhat experienced tropical farmers he recruited almost literally begging to run it on a crepuscular schedule 1. Because heatstroke and 2 because rubber trees maximal sap pressure is in the very early morning. 3. Because it takes about 4 hours for the sap to actually flow. Also he managed to be just in time for rubber blight.
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Fordlandia was just such a perfect storm of Great Person hubris, it is the kind of thing that should actually be taught in business schools. - Distrust of experts/specialists. "Those smarty-pants never even made a million yet. I'll just get my rich friend to oversee things, he's smart (because he agrees with me) so if anything needs learning he'll learn it in a jiffy!". gently caress those high-falutin' botanists and poo poo! - Sociological ignorance. "Peasants are loving peasants anywhere on the globe. You say brazilian seasonal workers will resent sticking to a rigid schedule that doesn't take local climate into account? gently caress it. They'll learn to love Mississipi hoedowns there instead of whatever it is they do. Also, no booze!" - Paranoia. Ford was so neurotic about government interference or other companies discoveirng his project that he placed it in a remote logistical nightmare of a place, and was kept on a need-to-know basis that made all problems take five times as long to be solved, and no new insights or common sense even got close. - Fuckbrained rationalism. "I can plant corn in a row, that means I can plant rubber trees in a row! What do you mean, they are spread out in the wild because plagues just chew through them if they are clustered? We're about efficiency here, sonny!" I wish our current crop of billionaire wunderkinds were serious about their Mars colonies/underwater domes/desert arcologies/etc. I assume they'd be down to cannibalism and eating paint chips to ward off pellagra within 3 weeks. But so far, the closest thing going is that goofy linear city in Saudi Arabia, and that's just a make-work vanity project by the royals, who know better than to live there.
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Sephyr posted:I wish our current crop of billionaire wunderkinds were serious about their Mars colonies/underwater domes/desert arcologies/etc. I assume they'd be down to cannibalism and eating paint chips to ward off pellagra within 3 weeks. But so far, the closest thing going is that goofy linear city in Saudi Arabia, and that's just a make-work vanity project by the royals, who know better than to live there. Well there was that one guy who risked it all to live out his dream of deepwater exploration, then he and six passengers were crushed into red mist at a speed faster than the human brain can take to realize it is in distress.
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DarklyDreaming posted:Well there was that one guy who risked it all to live out his dream of deepwater exploration, then he and six passengers were crushed into red mist at a speed faster than the human brain can take to realize it is in distress. Yeah but who has time for bespoke crushing?Gotta industrialize that poo poo.
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DarklyDreaming posted:Well there was that one guy who risked it all to live out his dream of deepwater exploration, then he and six passengers were crushed into red mist at a speed faster than the human brain can take to realize it is in distress. Freedom for crushing vs. Freedom from crushing.
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