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gently caress, would there be any basic research at all if it couldn't be shown to pay off next quarter? (e: or without government funding which covers a lot of it as is) Polygynous fucked around with this message at 14:42 on Oct 10, 2014 |
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Kiwi Ghost Chips posted:No, which is why pharma companies never do their own research, Apple didn't take chances creating new products, and we're all posting on the internet. I almost hate to keep harping on that, but really. Decades of effort and expense with little payoff. In libertopia it would have just sprung forth fully formed from some ubermensch's forehead I guess.
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Karia posted:Also, are we ever going to get back to the DRO RPG? I really do want to know I'll make the website. Alternatively it's a CYOA, but no matter what you choose you starve to death before doing all the research to make sure your food won't kill you.
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wateroverfire posted:Concur. Yeah you keep ignoring the actual idiots that show up and post nonsense so you can smugly shout "strawman!" On the other hand I'm not sure strawmanning libertarians is even possible when you've got people like Hoppe around.
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Oct 19, 2014 22:44
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Triskelli posted:What the hell is a Statist? This might help:  It's a non-word they use to browbeat anyone who disagrees with them. Inventing disparaging terminology for outsiders that only has meaning to them? Totally not a cult.
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Triskelli posted:drat, was hoping there was more to it than that. Thanks for the response. I looked it up on rationalwiki after I posted that. Theirs isn't much longer so I'll just quote it. (It's a little more detailed, mainly the implication that if you disagree you're Hitler.) quote:A statist is a person who believes the existence of a state, i.e. a government, is necessary for the proper function of most societies. That's pretty much it, really.
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Oct 29, 2014 15:10
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I'm dying of lung cancer, this negative yelp review will be my vengeance.
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Who What Now posted:Furthermore, if he assumes that we all accept some level of pollution as acceptable or even necessary, then why doesn't that apply to other areas of transgression? Why can't we all accept that some level of theft is necessary to not dying at 25 living off of subsistence farming? And why not call that theft taxation? something something a priori argle bargle MEN WITH GUNS 
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Mr Interweb posted:The hell? I'm honestly trying to figure out what you're saying here. Did the Depression ever "really" "end" if we still have fiat currency? Makes you think. (End the Fed.)
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Democracy doesn't count because people don't vote how I'd like.  Are you for real?also: quote:However, Caros' story implies that he blamed his friends death on libertarianism somehow. Polygynous fucked around with this message at 16:31 on Nov 6, 2014 |
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jrodefeld posted:It is easy to look at the result of State spending and say "look at that bridge! Without the State, that bridge wouldn't exist". While that may be true, what you need to ask yourself (as Bastiat suggested) is what would that money have been spent on had it not been taxed away and spent on public works projects? Was it the best use of scarce resources to spend money on construction of a road or a bridge? Who knows. There is no non arbitrary way to determine this. On the free market there exists economic calculation through the price of capital goods. The fluctuating price of these goods sends signals regarding which projects to undertake and when. Nope. e: Really you're going to have to do better than just shouting FREE MARKET and expecting anyone to take you seriously.
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jrodefeld posted:Democracy is an immoral system because it involves permitting people to initiate the use of violence against the innocent. It is the initiation of violence that is the thing that libertarians object to. depending on your definition of "initiation" and "of" and "violence" quote:How could Caros indict libertarianism based upon an examination of the current US healthcare system? They would be fundamentally different. A major fallacy promoted by the left is in looking at our current economy and assuming that libertarianism represents the same negative attributes they see except much worse. Polygynous fucked around with this message at 16:55 on Nov 6, 2014 |
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The Mattybee posted:Explain how. In your own words. What would inherently make free market healthcare better? a flourishing market in snake oil
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I'm holding a bake sale Saturday to fund Joe's Air Force, please attend.
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jrodefeld posted:A few more points I want to raise about healthcare. You didn't read Caros' posts at all, did you?
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Quantum Mechanic posted:Well, no it doesn't, since you just stated that countries with government funded healthcare spend less money. Opening US healthcare to the market results in higher prices. How else would you explain this gulf?  curve.
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EvanSchenck posted:A vacation? Dude, it's hard work sitting in a basement
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Baronjutter posted:Why can't libertarians just look at countries as huge plots of private land owned by voting shareholders (citizens) who then enact rules and policies on that land? Some of them, when they're being honest, admit that they don't have a problem with force, just the government monopoly on force (aka MEN WITH GUNS). So long as you have some sort of free market in armed psychopaths everything's great. Well at least if everyone pays lip service to the NAP, I guess. (Just shout "Help I'm being agressed upon!" before firing artillery like some Monty Python sketch. Or was that South Park?) In short the US devolving into a bunch of feuding warlords would be an improvement as long as you can be said to have some "choice" in the matter. Which I guess doesn't really answer the question since libertarians aren't emigrating en masse to Afghanistan or Somalia. But then if you've read more than two pages of this thread you shouldn't be expecting sense out of libertarians. (Less snarky answer: There's this idea, not unique to libertarians, that local control is better. Just how local isn't a solved problem. It starts with "States' Rights" then goes on to "what if some city or township disagrees with the state" and then "me and my neighbors want to build a fence more than six feet high". As the saying goes, Democracy is society's attempt at a solution and is the worst except for everything else that's been tried.)
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jrodefeld posted:I feel like this thread has gone off the rails. I'd really like to get into some substantive issues, but I won't bother unless there are some of you who still are willing to engage with good faith. you first e: "please put aside how every one I put forward and base my philosophy on isn't just a crank but actively racist, misogynist, or otherwise insane and get back to me being hilariously wrong about substantive issues" Polygynous fucked around with this message at 03:09 on Nov 15, 2014 |
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jrodefeld posted:Now, if you could acknowledge that value and contributions of libertarian economists and historians to our understanding of markets and major historical events Less than zero. You've repeatedly ignored people proving you wrong about libertarian economists predicting recessions or the Great Depression, why not bring it up again?
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Literally The Worst posted:Praxeology means that the best solution is kill you're parents Ron Paul Ron Paul Ron Paul This is true a priori but read this 1200 page paper on it anyway.
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jrodefeld posted:If the average teenager already had six plus years of work experience by the time they were 21 or 22, they would already be earning much more than the minimum wage once they move out on their own. how There's like no part of that that isn't wrong, but this stands out. If we allow employers to pay teenagers sub-minimum wage somehow they end up earning more with no explanation.
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CharlestheHammer posted:What if those teenagers are also black? It's ok, their WASP employers are Natural Social Elites and their dictates are not to be questioned.
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Hell I'd like to see just one example of privatization working, unless by "working" you mean "redistributing wealth upwards".
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I am shocked, shocked that jrod would disappear from the thread for so long only to come back and leave a big steaming "maybe you're the real racists" poo poo in it.
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jrodefeld posted:Sometimes my mind boggles at the lack of economic understanding.  No really, you severely overestimate any pay increases business owners deign to give their employees. And as usual, reality completely invalidates your position: quote:Minimum-wage workers are older than they used to be. Their average age is 35, and 88 percent are at least 20 years old. Half are older than 30, and about a third are at least 40.
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Let's have teenagers fill current minimum wage jobs at less than minimum wage, potentially putting their own parents out of work. Everybody* wins! * just McDonalds shareholders really
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TLM3101 posted:you have not thought enough about your own stated position to defend it! I still say that libertarianism might have some good ideas so long as you don't think about any of them for more than 30 seconds.
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VitalSigns posted:Jrod: "This is getting bogged down, instead I'm interested in your reactions to this article by a Big-Bang-denying kook" That reminds me.  Which explains some things. Also "hoodlums" *not racist*
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You see, children's small hands are suited to sorting coal, and they'll be learning skills to apply to future jobs with their crushed fingers and damaged lungs.
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Yes but he's not going out in public shouting "friend of the family friend of the family friend of the family" or otherwise meeting some impossible standard of No True Racism so it doesn't count. Plus, you know, racism is a collective ideology so no libertarian can be racist, obivously.
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ok you get on with that "abolishing the state" thing meanwhile here in the real world we'll work on things like the minimum wage.
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jrodefeld posted:I don't see this being logical. The only reasonable conclusion would be that many left liberals and socialists don't have a clue about how markets work. Or that you, singularly, are an idiot. Occam's Razor, dude.
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Wait, did he really say that any redistribution would "perpetuate more injustice" than loving slavery?
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Muscle Tracer posted:If you're not in the DRO, you're outside the law--nobody in Nonagresstopia will punish you for your crimes, but neither will they come to your defense if you need it. DROs, private police forces, mafias, etc. all provide the same service: I sign up with Valhalla DRO, and you sign up with Ragnarok DRO, and when you beat me up they talk to each other to figure it out. That's a right you sign away when you sign up. No, it sounds like a bunch of gangs that are at various states of war with each other and will drop your "protection" the moment it becomes inconvenient.
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You see, the white settlers called "no takebacks" so there's nothing that can be done at this point.
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Jack of Hearts posted:Who would even sell malpractice insurance to an unlicensed doctor? The premiums would be astronomical. That would just provide incentive to be good doctors. The Free Market works! 
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A libertarian advocating open source software, which is practically communist. What. 
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So in libertopia is it your own fault if you get bit by the heartbleed bug? This is all very confusing.
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