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OwlFancier posted:It's very hard not to see it as the cops doing apparently the only thing they are capable of doing in a professional capacity in the US. Legit even if the guy was a huge piece of poo poo it's the exact same police behaviour they use on everyone else, it's a perfectly fine example of the cops being utterly useless because they can't even arrest a nazi gun weirdo without also killing a pregnant woman and a kid And a dog. Don't forget a dog. Though his wife wasn't pregnant. She was merely holding their eleven month old child when she was killed.
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:Nobody is saying the ATF and Marshals were correct. They explicitly changed rules of engagement after this because of what happened. By which you mean 'were coerced over the course of years by a federal informant to commit a pretext crime in order to justify enforcement. Again, this situation is no different than every one of those post 9/11' terrorism' plots. The only crime the man ever committed was selling an illegal weapon to a government snitch who had spent years trying to get him to do it. They make the crime, they make the criminal and then they kill his family. I think weaver had good loving cause to be scared of his government.
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Proust Malone posted:I, the father of three sons, struggle to imagine the thought process of the dad. Were I the one facing gun charges, I would perhaps not give my fourteen year old a gun and tell him to patrol the property with Fido. Do you live in a cabin in the middle of the woods where you hunt to feed yourself? Because I don't, and I agree with you! Then again, I also don't think we should live in a society where selling two illegal firearms means that the cops get to come onto your property, murder your child, murder your wife and a bunch of assholes on the internet will be arguing that your child had it coming because you gave him a gun. VitalSigns posted:Morality teaching time: It's not okay to shoot a child in the back as he's running away even if his dad made bad decisions. Right? Maybe I'm somehow even more of a squishy lib, but I don't think your dad being a nazi facing felony charges means that the cops get to murder your whole family.
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SlothfulCobra posted:When an unarmed person gets shot by the cops, it's a horrifying unjust tragedy, when an armed person gets shot, well that's guns. That's the reason why the police are armed and triggerhappy, because the US is full of random other jerks with guns. There's plenty of news stories of kids getting shot for just having overly realistic toy guns, and you're telling me to be shocked at the cops shooting back at a teenager with a real gun who was already shooting at them? This is the natural result of living in a heavily armed society. There's not going to be any room between angry misunderstanding and shootout. Well poo poo, I guess Tamir Rice deserved it. He had a toy gun that looked like a real one so I guess that's guns. Sucks to suck amirite? You realize what you're describing is bad, right? I just want to be clear. I'm not telling you to be shocked. I'm annoyed at people acting like this isn't a horrific because his dad sucked. quote:It's not good for people to get shot, but that's what happens when you're yanking around the cops at length and talking about how you're gonna shoot them if they come near. This is what threats of violence lead to. This is what proliferation of firearms leads to. It creates a more violent world. And that's the world that pro-gun libertarians want. Okay? I'm not really 'ra ra, gently caress yeah, guns'. I'm mostly just annoyed that Leon strolled in here, dropped some absolute batshit lies about Ruby Ridge and a bunch of other posters, have chimed in to say "Well the kid had a gun so I guess that justified massive federal overreach that led to the death of three people. Literally all I'm saying is that this is yet another example of how cops are hosed. That maybe if they acted with some restraint they'd have avoided a ton of bloodshed. Or, even better, had they not induced Weaver in the first place. I also think poo poo like this is loving disgusting too. quote:Three months, and they were doing it as a sting operation to investigate neonazis planning violence. Oh poo poo, the report written by a bunch of cops that exonerated themselves says that they never entrapped him. Be still my beating heart. Hell, their own report includes the phrase "We are troubled by the sequence of events which immediately preceded the sale of the shotguns to the confidential informant" quote:The report also asserts that the dog was only shot after the family friend that was with Weaver's son had already started the firefight and shot and killed one of the cops, for what it's worth. Oh poo poo, the report written by a bunch of cops that exonerated themselves says that they didn't provoke the fight. Be still my beating heart. Lemniscate Blue posted:No one here thinks this, so far as I could tell by reading their posts. Why are you arguing as if someone is advocating for a society where this is okay? Might I suggest turning your monitor on?
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Panfilo posted:They're arguing the whole thing was somehow entrapment by the feds. The problem is thar this scenario is entirely possible and was definitely used against other people in the past. It is not. The logs from his computer are public record Due to the indictments and it is abundantly clear that he was the one who opened every conversation on the topic. He initially wanted the guy beaten up for theft (which was funny because the theft in question wasn't done by his former mod, but by corrupt DEA Agent Carl Mark Force IV. Then, after he found out the guy got arrested he transitioned that into asking for him to be murdered. Th cops absolutely have a long history of lovely entrapment behavior in the US, particularly among terrorism cases, but there is nothing in this that is on them. And even if you somehow bought that, the other attempt at murdering five people didn't involve any law enforcement at all and was instead just a massive con where a vendor who rugpulled silk Road pretended to be a bunch of other people and eventually got dpr to pay for a hit on himself.
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God could you imagine jrod's takes on the covid vaccine? I don't know why I'd never considered it, but it would have been *wild*
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Reminder that if you out 10 libertarians in a room and ask about policy you will get at minimum 52 answers. It is the nature of not being a real party, much like a lot of us socialist orgs. Since there is no chance of ever holding office or engaging in actual real change, they can basically say whatever teh gently caress each individual or group wants so long as they remain under the extremely broad umbrella. I mean, look at tankies. In no sane world do they have anything to do with most modern leftists, but the tent is so broad that they get in.
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Panfilo posted:How awful do you have to be to get kicked out of the Libertarian Party? I will never be able to reconcile the fact that Hans Hermann Hoppe is a living person and not someone who died skimping for the robber barons in the mid 50s.
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Clarste posted:Maybe I'm taking this too seriously, but I can't imagine a situation where these protection companies don't just divvy up turfs between themselves and live like feudal lords with their local monopoly on force. Which, you know, companies like ISPs already do, except with more violence. Ah, but you see: https://x.com/TheYcOrg/status/1757522900398014709?s=20
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Panfilo posted:Guess the people the Mises Caucus pushed out are forcing a new "Liberal" party? Once I saw a libertarian on a bridge about to jump. I said: “Don't do it!" He said, "Nobody believes in freedom anymore." I said, "Some people still believe in freedom. Do you?" He said, "Yes." I said, "Are you a libertarian or a constitutional conservative?" He said, "A libertarian." I said, "Me, too! Hate the state?" He said, "Absolutely" I said, "Me, too! Minarchist or anarchist?" He said, "Anarchist" I said, "Me, too! Friedman or Rothbard?" He said, "Rothbard." I said, "Me, too! Libertarian Party or Republican Party?" He said, "Republican." I said, "Me, too! Open borders or closed borders?" He said, "It's a complex issue and I can see both sides." I said, "Die, statist" And I pushed him over.
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Panfilo posted:This is how it always ends up with libertarians isn't it? I rather liked how they fit the boot all the way in their mouth yesterday. https://twitter.com/LPNational/status/1760436258675863718?t=fBhlLO6mKtsdxaaAD3hPdw&s=19
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Jesus III posted:That's just straight up Russian propaganda. To be clear, one of the "illegal activities" was contempt of Court. Specifically that he didn't attend a court hearing because he was in a German hospital after being poisoned by the Russian government.
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Professor Shark posted:They would have to libertarian further to get the bear population up to take out the kangaroos That's the beauty of it. When winter comes the Kangaroos simply freeze to death.
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Panfilo posted:Isn't this the head of the group that took over the Libertarian party? If so I'm not terribly surprised he's like this. Also the ghost writer of Ron Paul's racist rear end newsletter.
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Panfilo posted:https://twitter.com/thehill/status/1772993510314016893?t=-jPCpfk0Kq2BNcJL1JhT6w&s=19 I literally know one thing about this woman, and that she shores up rfk's issue with being an antivax weirdo by *checks notes* being an antivax weirdo. I only learned this today. Dude would have done better just putting Ysanne Isard on the ballot like his fans wanted.
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Why did Libertarians like this guy again?
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Captain_Maclaine posted:Is that the same Bruce "Bruce Fenton" Fenton who previous expatriated to Thailand, was deeply into the early bitcoin scene, and is a total creep (but I repeat myself)? I like how my brain went hmm, libertarian in the UAE, wonder if he is a sex pest and the very next thing I see talks about him going to Thailand.
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