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Grace Baiting
Jul 20, 2012

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By "undue aggregation", did they actually mean undeserved links and citations, or just misspell "aggrandizement"?

I choose to believe it is the former. There is a WAR on freedom, son, being waged by the forces of :ducksiren:unearned collectivism!!:ducksiren:


E: I normally skim/skip the mises reposts, but upon actually reading the post I guess my sick burn may have missed the mark, if "undue aggregation" is intended as "unfitting quantitative analysis". :(

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Grace Baiting
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Nolanar posted:

Yeah, any time he got tired of getting his rear end beat on specific policy questions, he'd fall back to that basic "state=law enforcement, law enforcement=violence, violence=bad, state=bad" thing. And then we'd start actually digging into his definitions and declarations, and suddenly he'd want to talk about something else entirely!

Now I don't want to talk about racism, but

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It's not slavery, it's voluntarily involuntary servitude performed in a rights-respecting manner.

Do you even freedom, bro?

Grace Baiting
Jul 20, 2012

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The (view)point from nowhere

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GunnerJ posted:

Devolving power to the states has always been great cover for nefarious poo poo. It gives an empty veneer of political principle to a completely obvious agenda for oppression and disenfranchisement.

The federal government stranglehold is good when it's strangling oppressors.

I disapprove of oppressing LGBTQXYZ people but I will defend to the death states' rights to oppress LGBTQXYZ people!

My brave stance contains far greater moral rectitude, you see, than allowing evil federal MEN WITH GUNS to prevent downtrodden chokeheld state-level MEN WITH GUNS from oppressing LGBTQXYZ people.

Thx and Mises bless, my fellow goodfree thinker

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WrenP-Complete posted:

Well, I'm also working on a project that involves robots navigating themselves around and killing weeds by injecting them with steam, so I just need to not ever let the two projects get mixed up.

I don't think I've linked this account in here yet, so here's JRodimus Prime's twitter today: https://twitter.com/JRodimus_Prime/status/800716918701301760


Someone has already said they want his text to make a Fallout mod.

You have brought the world to the precipice of inventing a literal steampunk libertarian robot

Grace Baiting
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JRodimusPrime posted:

Since copying can be identified, the phrenology economy is better than all others. It is shown as having homesteaded the animals and judiciously decided which to breed to replenish the livestock for future generations and future profit opportunities. If we can discuss the merits of universal healthcare. Knowing I am aware of the factory owners, the farms to the extent of the factory owners, the farms to the act of argumentation presupposes the right loses all meaning.
Even if every single prediction of the principle of ethics must be universalizable among all humans in a third party that might act as they would have died off. This is absolutely true of rape, assault and burglary. This really forms the basis of any physical possession whatsoever.

Owned is beyond foolish. I shop at a decent place. I am a decent person to follow my conscience and support any cause you feel strongly about. Its hard to quit. Politicians need to be as physically productive enough to eat. The people on this forum. I will choose another community that does not keep any decent person and your solution is simply for them and for everyone else. They're ignorant of the State like to do things that they have to account for. There would be bad both for them to court and force in the punishment and they should be able to provide cheap, effective, scalable energy has to human needs. Your lack of access to cheap, abundent energy that will be cut AND be able to determine that a given situation, though, the problem does not do business with a group of individuals can do it through discourse. If I employ ten people at minimum wage is increased, you think only in terms of left and right. Libertarianism is literally a free market. All I have said before. In fact, it was possible for people to help your fellow man. You clearly did NOT consent.

:yossame:, OP

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Holy poo poo   :how:


Sebadoh Gigante posted:

quote:

Let us consider another question. There is a saying: zero, one, and infinity are the only numbers that need no justification. If we found that there seemed to be one other universe parallel to our own, wouldn't we look for others? Zero universes would make sense, one universe would make sense, a continuous spectrum would be unsurprising, but it would be strange for there to be exactly two universes. So tell me, Anakin. Why does the Force have two sides?
Why is he so sure it's only one then? Why not infinite? Or "the force is a spectrum, not unlike autism."

Obviously universes are zero-indexed, so Our Universe is #0 and the Evil Goatee Dimension is #1. Unless it's the reverse...‼️

But it's not like there's a dearth of multiple-but-finite discrete counts in fundamental physical quantities e.g. the Standard Model. There's 4 forces, 17 particles, 5 distinct values of electrical charge (-1, -2/3, -1/3, 0, +1/3, +2/3, and +1 when including antiparticles) across those particles, 6 quarks and 6 leptons, 2 weak gauge bosons (or 3 with antiparticles), 3 fundamental colors, etc. Actually, because hell if I'm gonna read the whole fanfic dialecture quoted above. is this all just a reworded Yudkowsky jeremiad proclaiming that the Many Worlds Interpretation of QM is the one true way and all who disagree are still mindkilled irrationalists with false bayesian consciousness?

In conclusion, I just noticed that this is the Libertarian thread, so I offer this excellent Wikipedia gif as a parting gift

Grace Baiting
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Imagine if your early access medications included unmentioned quantities of lead, cadmium, and arsenic, etc, just like Soylent pioneered

Only then would we truly be free

Grace Baiting
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Logical Man: Taxation is slavery, and thus the worst thing ever.

Crowd: hmm yes alright, that's a really good point

Logical Man: Actual slavery is not taxation, which means it is not slavery.

Crowd: cogent and thoughtful, wow, keep going

Logical Man: Ergo actual slavery is not all that bad!!!  Furthermore,

Crowd goes wild :vince: :bravo: :wow:

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quote:

Of course the Pinochet Worship is mostly a Joke,
"It's mostly a Joke," I rationally explain while enacting a reign of terror and murder.
"gently caress 'em if they can't take (mostly) a Joke," my death squads justifiably reassure each other as they push pregnant women and my political enemies out of in-flight airplanes to their gruesome deaths thousands of feet below.
"It's just a prank, bros!" I reasonably laugh while torturing and killing untold tens of thousands.
"Where's your sense of humor?" I logically ask, suffering nothing beyond house arrest before dying in 2006 without ever having been convicted or punished for my regime's kill count, multiple hundreds of thousands of exiles, and other assorted human rights violations mostly Joke-worthy topics.





...And what do you call your act, Mr. u/TrueDilTom?

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QuarkJets posted:

ethnic cleansing is exactly the same as opposing ethnic cleansing

I've felt the urge to post this a lot more recently, but it does fit!



Seriously tho people shouldn't take a fuckin @dril tweet as genuine advice, god drat

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Baronjutter posted:

I'd love to see a "perfect" libertarian world where quickly due to the misery and chaos the system produces people willingly join huge, perfectly legal within the libertarian system, co-ops which end up being opt-in socialist societies, which end up becoming the norm. Would a libertarian be ok with full on socialism so long as everything was owned by "MarxCo LLC" and democratic socialism was just a ton of people renting land owned by MarxCo and employees of MarxCo which was run as a company where every single "staff member" had a single vote and an equal share in the "profits" ?? Would they be fine if 90% of the globe was bought up by this corporation with only a few minor hold-outs here and there?

EVE Online is a fun example! They're lacking the full direct democracy part, but that sounds similar in purpose to how the Goonswarm operates in EVE Online -- over the years I've seen several SA banner ads proudly advertising Space Socialism for goons within the harshly libertarian portions of the game universe. This harsh libertarian universe means they can help fund their Space Socialism with ruthless turboscamming and with the commission of economic terrorism at scale. And there's no men with guns government oppression to stop them!

...They are not especially loved by the rest of the playerbase.

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Weatherman posted:

does not compute

A dumb Statist might be confused by these puzzling foreign-isms, but with the Science of Human Action as the wind at my sails’ back, I can clearly deduce that “totally gone down the plughole” means all the bad parts of British Rail have been efficiently and privately disposed of. Thusly it is a highly beneficial state :monocle: circumstance of affairs!

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DACK FAYDEN posted:

When I was 15 I thought the word for my politics was "libertarian" because I was in favor of gay marriage (let people do what they want), free college (let people study what they want), and a UBI (let people do what they want without having to earn a living)

maybe he just read a philosophy book but didn't look around at "real" libertarians like lil' me :shobon:

Those things do sound liberty-increasing to the uninitiated, but, well actually, there's no free lunch and they need to be paid for and Taxation Is Theft™/Slavery™ and Slavery™ is the opposite of Liberty™, so it turns out you were indirectly in favor of Slavery™ all along! QED. Hey just put the guns down so we can all agree to respect the Non-Aggression™ Principle, btw I interpret disagreements with my deeply-held beliefs as Aggression™, and furthermore, Statists,

p.s. actually :same:

Grace Baiting
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jrode on twitter??

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I don't want to talk about carnal knowledge of the sweet fruit of the Citrullus lanatus flowering vine, but unfortunately we must now address it.

RealTalk, do you gently caress watermelons...
 🍉  for pleasure?
 🍉  to reassure yourself in your worth?
 🍉  all of the above?
 🍉  or for other reasons as well? (If so, please specify.)

Like I said, I don't want to talk about this important issue, but my hand has been forced. We must now return to it for clarity and transparency. To do otherwise would be intellectually dishonest and also oppressive of free speech. Ignoring this would be suppression of open debate on this vital matter.

Thanks for your serious consideration,

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Zanzibar Ham posted:

RealTalk, as the resident Petersonologist, can you tell us his position on watermelons, and the loving thereof?

I cannot bring to mind a single watermelon that Jordan Peterson has encountered but not hosed, and believe me.

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QuarkJets posted:

lol yeah sure, no one in the 20th century thought to criticize communism much at all, good job just making up blatant falsehoods

You have less intelligence and wit than an overly ripe melon

This post (among other salient posts by other solemn posters) brings up a very important topic, one which I'd hoped we could have politely put to bed a long time ago, but the public needs to know. With a heavy heart and a reluctant hand, I must now ask, again:

JrodTalk🍆🍉❓

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RealTalk posted:

Changing the subject slightly...


I want to know what your opinion is on the claim that the Russians hacked our election and/or Trump colluded with Russia.
    Hello SA, my old friends
    I've come to sermonize again
    Because compulsion softly creeping
    Grew acute while I was sleeping
    And the sanction that is planted in my brain
    Still remains
    Within the speech
    Of freedom

    In restless dreams I walked alone
    Narrow topics, ears of stone
    'Neath the halo of von Mises
    I regrouped with my Free Market Jesus
    When my eyes were stabbed
    By the flash of some tolerance
    That split my trance
    And breached the speech
    Of freedom

    And in the naked light I saw
    Ten thousand sheeple, maybe more
    Sheeple talking without preaching
    Sheeple helping without praxis
    Men with guns oppressed the cis straight rich white man
    And could not stand
    To hear the speech
    Of freedom

    "Fools," said I, "you do not know
    Freedom like a cancer grows
    Social progress must be halted
    Jordy Pete must now be exalted"
    But protests, they dispute his biotruths
    This nonsense, uncouth, harms freedom

    And the sheeple bowed and prayed
    To the leftist god they made
    And incels flashed out their warning
    Manifestos and lead storming
    The alt-right said: "The justness of profits are
    Written in the ethnics' blood
    While donning no hoods
    And whispered in the speech
    Of freedom."

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I am glad I was here with all of you, thread. Here at the end of Jrodefeld 2: RealTalk Harder.



    jrodefeld will return in...
    Live and Let Die

    2020

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Captain_Maclaine posted:

I can picture him now, cursing as he tries to come up with alternative sources when The Master's work is right there, piles of violated melons lying all about him.

Also, I'd like to thank R. Guyovich for letting us have our fun rather than just banning him days ago.

:kimchi:  agreed

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VitalSigns posted:

The punishment as described by Molyneux would be very effective: if you refuse to comply with a DRO they just legalize your torture/rape/murder/what-have-you, and ban you from buying necessities like food, water etc by threatening the same punishment for anyone who sells anything to you.

This is also the punishment for loving the wrong person, refusing to allow corporate surveillance in your home, being poor, etc

You have slighted your DRO by failing to pay your taxes non-taxation fees, or were confused with someone who had done such. Perhaps you failed to click an updated EULA quickly enough? Or maybe you gave minor offense to the wrong person, or gave even trivial succor to some other unperson. Whatever the cause, a flamboyance of warboys has descended upon your sorry still-moving unpersonhood to loot liberate you of your blood, amalgam fillings, personal effects, meat, and/or property rights. Is this a violation of your rights? The answer may surprise you!
  1. No, because warboys are not MEN WITH GUNS. They specialize in melee, harpoons, explosive, musical, and incendiary weaponry (both individually and severally in combination), all of which are explicitly excluded from any right-thinking DRO's definitions of "GUNS".
  2. No, because even if the the warboys had GUNS, your DRO's rescission of your life must have fair or else nobody (you included) would have freely consented to create joinder with them in the first place.
  3. No, because if it was, then you would have already challenged the jarl and won the trial by combat.
  4. No, because your skin's quantity of melatonin is to be a good culture fit with rights-having/life-having.
  5. No, because positive rights do not and cannot exist; they are a fake lie invented by Karl "Cultural" Marx to deceive us. Contrast this with negative rights, which are real and strong and still your friend.
  6. No, because you did not scream "stop violating the NAP!" either loudly enough or quickly enough and so your rights were therefore respected at all times, in a rights-respecting manner.
  7. No, because ________________________________________________________________ [fill in].
Pencils down! Better luck next time you reincarnate into the DROtopia, all shiny and chrome! At that time you can pick up your graded quiz/exit interview and learn from your mistakes in this life.

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I have mostly avoided Jordan Peterson's output, partially intentionally, and I enjoyed reading this article. It went a long way towards explaining jrod's new infatuation with Jordy Pete for me, so thanks! I may or may not expand on that further later should I have the time + inclination.

ToxicSlurpee posted:

The best thing about seasteading is that a common plan was to live on ocean liners in international shores off of San Francisco then work tech jobs there so they wouldn't have to pay taxes.

It's like "hey let's abandon society by only abandoning taxes while still using the benefits of America." It's like...uh hey guys that isn't how it works.
Oh Blueseed   :allears:  #blessed #blueseed
    "Launch was planned for summer 2014,[11] provided that $18M more was raised.
    Blueseed is now on hold due to insufficient funding[11] and the founders are working on different projects."
    11. "Quick facts". Retrieved April 7, 2013.
Although I believe it was intended primarily to circumvent immigration laws for startup interns/employees, much moreso than allowing US citizens to circumvent tax laws:
    "In terms of taxation, Blueseed will not impose tax; however, individuals are responsible for paying their financial dues according to their country of residence. Corporate tax will be paid by startups located on board based on the country of incorporation.[45]"
    45. "What taxes will I have to pay?". Blueseed FAQ. Retrieved 2012-05-10.

Captain_Maclaine posted:

"An Orange County of the soul" has to be one of the more biting indictments ever levied at libertarian dreams.
It's been a long time since I'd read that essay and I had not remembered that turn of phrase, but  :drat::discourse:

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VitalSigns posted:

How does the 1% fleeing the country in a scenario where their greed has caused another depression and the pitchforks are coming for them even work, logistically.

Is there...room for their pilot's extended family on the LearJet? And once they reach the Caribbean, what exactly makes them think they'll still be able to lord it over the inhabitants without the military and economic might of the nearby superpower backing them up?

Gold? Is the answer "gold"?? I bet the answer is "gold"!!!

or for a select few, :bitcoin:

Also aren't a bunch of billionaire preppers(/"preppers") are planning on fleeing to their private palatial New Zealand estates instead of the Caribbean? Probably less accessible from the US by Learjet though, since the currently-manufactured Learjets have a range of 2,348 miles

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SpaceSDoorGunner posted:

Amazing how libertarians embraced the Nazis while screaming “Nazism is a leftist ideology!!!!!”
It's like how taxation is slavery and is therefore an absolute immoral evil, but real slavery is NBD so quit whining already (btw top economic freedom in Qatar y'all)

Toss in "racial time preference" and "(((globalism)))" to taste, and baby, you got yourself a stew going!

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Dear Thread, saw this & thought of u  😘

America's Finest News Source: Stephen Miller Enraged After Discovering Cantaloupe He’s loving From Mexico

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"They're not my type" :thunk:

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    David Fuchs
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    YouTube: 9 Vids. CAUGHT ON TAPE: HOW WOODY ALLEN HELPED FARROW SMEAR HIM. youtu.be/pbsk4IsnQN4
    Joined March 2016

Huhhhhhhhhhhh

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Always :discourse:

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JustJeff88 posted:

Real Capitalist Monopoly is where the winner's money carries over into the next game, steadily pooling in one player's hands, until they can buy the jail and raise the fine so everyone else gets stuck there.

Monopoly: Legacy doesn't sound like much of an improvement on the base game at all!!! Too bad that Thankfully the only remedy to land-owning capitalism is ever more land-owning capitalism, because There Is No Alternative

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Grace Baiting, in June 2018 posted:

I am glad I was here with all of you, thread. Here at the end of Jrodefeld 2: RealTalk Harder.



    jrodefeld will return in...
    Live and Let Die

    2020

drat, I was off by ~2ish months

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Caros posted:

Grace Baiting, I served with Jrodefeld. I knew Jrodefeld. Jrodefeld was a hilarious loon. Grace baiting, that man is no Jrodefeld.

Lightning Knight posted:

Ok jrodefield, I now actually know and can prove you are jrodefield, so I’ll make you a deal: you can post in this thread, and only this thread, and I’ll let you live, for now. If you post anywhere else and they ban you well, sucks to suck.

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Filipino posted:

Ancap pages on facebook constantly post memes making fun of trans people. Whats the connection there?





it's because ancaps are fuckin helltrash, op


Caros posted:

Well deserved smugness.
:tipshat:   (I honestly thought you suspected our masked interloper's identity but were resolutely applying an "innocent until proven guilty of being JRod" standard)

And while I'm patting myself on the back, I'd just like to reminisce about my greatest post ever, which as of yet has gone unanswered by the great polymathy, due to certainly nothing more than a minor and soon-to-be-corrected oversight:

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here lies j. realtalk "culture fit" polymathy rodefeld, prince of princes:
look on my words, ye Mighty, and despair!

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Captain_Maclaine posted:

He's always coming back.

Waiting for JRodot

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Somfin posted:

Can anyone explain how DRO competition was meant to work? Because I still can't logic a way out of the 100% saturation Valhalla DRO scenario. America right loving now is in the grip of multiple functionally-monopolistic cartels; why do they think that behaviour would stop with less oversight?

Less capitalism is extremely forbidden, but things are quite obviously all hosed up right now, so keeping the same amount of capitalism is untenable. And so, more capitalism is the only answer! There Is No Alternative

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OwlFancier posted:

Given the main opposition is just people who think that parents should be making the decisions for their kid, I would be inclined to suggest that children are, perhaps with professional guidance, more capable of expressing their own desires relating to their own health than are their parents.

Like the core of the argument is that kids can't know they're trans but their parents definitely can, which, uh, no?

For a fun time, look up Rapid-Onset Gender Dysphoria, i.e. conservative/terfy parents ignoring their kid's dysphoria until they can no longer deny it, and then claiming it appeared SUDDENLY and there were NO SIGNS and the SJWs are ATTACKING ME AND MY FAMILY VALUES through my poor impressionable YOUNGER-GENERATION CHILD with GENDER-CONFUSING PROPAGANDA and PEER PRESSURING THEM INTO BELIEVING TRANS PEOPLE ARE PEOPLE etc etc etc

(ETC)

It's bad

But you can disparagingly pronounce it "rogdy" so that's something

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