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Lil Miss Clackamas
Jan 25, 2013

ich habe aids

tbp posted:

I am extraordinarily wary of the socialism commonly endorsed in this subforum. I am unsure what the correct answer would be.

How can you be unsure of what the "correct" answer is in a situation where there is no correct answer? You already confused socialism with communism earlier (even despite claiming you knew what they were) so perhaps the issue here is that you're just regular old "unsure". The type of socialism bandied about in D&D is usually democratic socialism, which is a fairly conservative form of socialism and isn't outside the realm of reality; a lot of the OECD member countries have in fact successfully implemented socialist policy, proving that not only does it look good on paper, it looks good in practice too.

You're also doing an incredibly good job of avoiding debate and discussion in the debate and discussion forum.

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Lil Miss Clackamas
Jan 25, 2013

ich habe aids
Link dumping and telling people to read them as your argument should be treated the same way plagiarism is in academia - a summary public execution.

Lil Miss Clackamas
Jan 25, 2013

ich habe aids
I'm pretty sure the only way to get something through a libertarian's head is with a gun.

Lil Miss Clackamas
Jan 25, 2013

ich habe aids
Libertarians are literally dangerous and should be put down.

Lil Miss Clackamas
Jan 25, 2013

ich habe aids

spoon0042 posted:

In short the US devolving into a bunch of feuding warlords would be an improvement as long as you can be said to have some "choice" in the matter.

The Libertarian idea of having a "choice" in practice is the same thing as having "choice" of employer. Libertarians phrase it so that it sounds like you can just leave your job if you don't like it and find a new one. In real life what happens if you start a new job and decide you don't like it, and search for a new one? Your prospective employers would see you wanting to leave the job too quickly as a bad sign and pass over you. Or what if you leave immediately, with no notice or too short of notice? Then other prospective employers will hold that against you, too. Meanwhile your employer can fire you at any time, for any reason, and have no repercussions. If you do the same, it's marked against your character as a worker and you will have harder time finding future work. Not to mention the fact that you leaving your employer is at most a minor inconvenience for them, yet for you it's the same thing as getting fired because either way you're out money, benefits, you know, the things you need to survive when there's no social welfare.

The only time these things don't apply is if you're a C-level executive, then you can literally do whatever you want, go wherever you want, and face no repercussions with your golden parachute.

Which perspective do you think the Libertarian is advocating from? The worker or the golden parachute freeloader?

In the Libertarian world, having a "choice" means having absolutely no choice at all. It's flat-out coercion, no if's, and's, or but's about it.

Lil Miss Clackamas
Jan 25, 2013

ich habe aids

quote:

However I think you will find that a government health care system is only degraded by the presence of the lesser races, who "consume" healthcare without being capable of adding to the supply. You will also find that the people of lesser races are not capable of administering it properly. It would be really funny to me to see a black state with UHC.

Holy poo poo, this dude needs to be executed by firing squad on a Twitch live stream.

Lil Miss Clackamas
Jan 25, 2013

ich habe aids
If the US government had done nothing, the recession would have been much worse. If the US had bailed out homeowners and citizens, instead of the bankers, we would have been in a much better position than we would have if they had only bailed out the banks. It probably would have been cheaper to cut checks to families and individuals, too.

Lil Miss Clackamas
Jan 25, 2013

ich habe aids

Political Whores posted:

My Econ 101 text, which was pretty slanted since it was by Mankiw, had a section on the Laffer curve that ended with "just because this model failed to predict reality in practice doesn't mean it doesn't have validity". Even the shills can't defend it.

Any economics class that uses a text by Greg Mankiw is horse poo poo. Those books are more conservative propaganda than economics.

Lil Miss Clackamas
Jan 25, 2013

ich habe aids
In libertarian-related news, Google is perpetuating income inequality and points to their ubermensch as the reason why it's necessary.

Lil Miss Clackamas
Jan 25, 2013

ich habe aids

Series DD Funding posted:

People who do different work get paid different amounts? How unprecedented :rolleye:

No, people who do the same work get paid different amounts. Try reading next time, human being.

Lil Miss Clackamas
Jan 25, 2013

ich habe aids
Oh please, are you going to claim an employee getting paid 500% less than another with the same title and role is doing 500% less work?

"Unfettered capitalism is bad.. unless it's Google, then it's good."

Lil Miss Clackamas
Jan 25, 2013

ich habe aids
In general, pay should not be a reward/punishment thing. As long as we have to use money to survive, money - and in turn a living wage - needs to be mandatory. Workers themselves aren't really guilty of perpetuating income inequality, but the idea that some work harder than others and in turn deserve to live better is perverse. All workers have the same potential to be the best worker, but only a handful of workers get the privilege. There's no reason why their lives should be prioritized above the lives of others.

Lil Miss Clackamas
Jan 25, 2013

ich habe aids

Ron Paul Atreides posted:

I think this is a non-starter, people will still want to have their efforts rewarded, so at some level there will always be a somewhat of a reward through pay. And that's okay, the world will never be perfectly equal.

There should absolutely be incentives. I just believe that those incentives shouldn't be tied to a linear relationship with quality of life.

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Lil Miss Clackamas
Jan 25, 2013

ich habe aids

Ron Paul Atreides posted:

I personally would be happy if jrod hosed off, despite the risk of this becoming 'left wing circle jerk' :rolleyes:

As opposed to the right-wing circle jerk the USA has dealt with for decades? You can't so much as breath without someone crying "But think of the job creators!" Libertarians and conservatives have had their time, commence the jiggling.

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