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Clarste
Apr 15, 2013

Just how many mistakes have you suffered on the way here?

An uncountable number, to be sure.
Legalese is also written in a way that explicitly and intentionally excludes the layman from understanding it, so it's not really a surprise that they come to see it as a ritualistic chant to show membership in an exclusive upper caste. I mean, it kind of is? Just not in the way they see it.

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Clarste
Apr 15, 2013

Just how many mistakes have you suffered on the way here?

An uncountable number, to be sure.

QuarkJets posted:

How in the world do they imagine that "25x more animals" get slaughtered to create vegan protein? What?

Maybe all the cows that be thrown away when the beef industry crashes overnight?

Clarste
Apr 15, 2013

Just how many mistakes have you suffered on the way here?

An uncountable number, to be sure.
Ultimately it comes down to is "what I am already doing anyway just happens to be the ideal way of life, because I am right and everyone else is wrong."

Clarste
Apr 15, 2013

Just how many mistakes have you suffered on the way here?

An uncountable number, to be sure.
Japan too.

Clarste
Apr 15, 2013

Just how many mistakes have you suffered on the way here?

An uncountable number, to be sure.

JustJeff88 posted:

What was the post-verdict settlement?

Probably confidential by agreement.

Clarste
Apr 15, 2013

Just how many mistakes have you suffered on the way here?

An uncountable number, to be sure.
No, you see, CEOs don't actually do any of the work or planning. That's why they need to get paid hundreds of thousands of times more than their employees.

Clarste
Apr 15, 2013

Just how many mistakes have you suffered on the way here?

An uncountable number, to be sure.
Should've chosen better parents.

Clarste
Apr 15, 2013

Just how many mistakes have you suffered on the way here?

An uncountable number, to be sure.
I feel like the post you are responding to already addressed every point you made before you made it: yes, but so what? The economy is made up, who cares if it shrinks? Changing age demographics could create a problem of caring for the elderly, but again that is a problem caused by a lack of social safety net, not the population changes themselves.

Clarste
Apr 15, 2013

Just how many mistakes have you suffered on the way here?

An uncountable number, to be sure.

SlothfulCobra posted:

The economy is the aggregate of people making things and doing things, so in general if you want things to be done or things to be made, you want the economy to be doing well. It's as made up as gerunds.

You need less things done or made if there are less people though. More economic activity isn't valuable in and of itself.

Clarste
Apr 15, 2013

Just how many mistakes have you suffered on the way here?

An uncountable number, to be sure.
So... what's the other option for Ukraine here? Lay down and die?

Clarste
Apr 15, 2013

Just how many mistakes have you suffered on the way here?

An uncountable number, to be sure.
It makes sense not to care about formal education if you think universities are communist propaganda sites.

Clarste
Apr 15, 2013

Just how many mistakes have you suffered on the way here?

An uncountable number, to be sure.
Actually, you'll find that the 2nd Amendment takes precedence over the entire rest of the document.

Clarste
Apr 15, 2013

Just how many mistakes have you suffered on the way here?

An uncountable number, to be sure.
Who the heck is even reading this person's tweets other than people who agree with her? And us, apparently,

Clarste
Apr 15, 2013

Just how many mistakes have you suffered on the way here?

An uncountable number, to be sure.
I guess this is pointless semantics, but I feel like transphobes are way more obsessed with gender than actual trans people who just want to feel comfortable with themselves? Or was that the point?

Clarste
Apr 15, 2013

Just how many mistakes have you suffered on the way here?

An uncountable number, to be sure.
No one's being forced to respect pronouns anyway. You're just an rear end in a top hat if you don't, which applies to a lot of things you can say.

Clarste
Apr 15, 2013

Just how many mistakes have you suffered on the way here?

An uncountable number, to be sure.

Crosby B. Alfred posted:

It seems that the American voters are either "socially liberal, economically liberal" or "socially conservative, leans economically conservative"? Hell, there aren't even that conservative especially compared to the actual GOP. It is super interesting to me that there aren't any "socially liberal, economically conservative” people despite what you hear in the media.

Am I reading this right?

It also shows that the fabled swing voter demographic who are equally likely to vote Blue or Red are mostly economically liberal and socially conservative.

Clarste
Apr 15, 2013

Just how many mistakes have you suffered on the way here?

An uncountable number, to be sure.
Just mentally find-replace "child" with "slave."

Clarste
Apr 15, 2013

Just how many mistakes have you suffered on the way here?

An uncountable number, to be sure.

Perestroika posted:

Yeah, they fundamentally do not conceive of their children as independent persons. To them, children are just property, a mini-me that they feel is obliged to present and behave the way they expect it to.

Well, that too, but I meant more specifically that back in the day the slave states used to call a slave's desire to escape a "mental illness" and curse the North for allowing slaves to run up there and not sending them back as property. It just felt like an oddly precise parallel to their kids going to other states for gender-affirming care.

Clarste
Apr 15, 2013

Just how many mistakes have you suffered on the way here?

An uncountable number, to be sure.
It's strangely common for these sorts of people to think that pieces of paper have any power whatsoever.

Clarste
Apr 15, 2013

Just how many mistakes have you suffered on the way here?

An uncountable number, to be sure.

Honestly I think the biggest takeaway here is that you can't attract businesses with only low taxes if you are not also offering basic utilities like sewage, which takes money you don't have without taxes. Or to put it simpler, the services provided by the government have monetary value that libertarians ignore because they are stupid.

Clarste
Apr 15, 2013

Just how many mistakes have you suffered on the way here?

An uncountable number, to be sure.
I feel like libertarians probably love cops? Don't they believe that using force to protect private property is like the only acceptable function of government? Better to build Cop City in every city than to spend even a single cent on food stamps.

Clarste
Apr 15, 2013

Just how many mistakes have you suffered on the way here?

An uncountable number, to be sure.

Panfilo posted:

I feel like the car accident dilemma applies here.

A Libertarian gets in a car accident. He needs a blood transfusion to live. Under his own ideology, are we to presume he'd just accept the potential death sentence? After all, the only compatible donor could simply say "no". Someone could have deliberately run him off the road, cut his brakes, doesn't matter, it isn't the donor's responsibility after all right?

By their logic, forcing someone to donate blood would be slavery but "force" could be applied very broadly... Is it "force" to ostracize the person into going through with it? Is it slavery to act in lieu of getting cancel cultured?

Choice and force, much like slavery and liberty, end up being very mushy concepts to libertarians.

Maybe I am naive, but I fail to see how a libertarian would consider this even slightly a problem. If you can't afford to live then you loving die, this is how the economy is supposed to work. The idea that people deserve any kind of safety net is disgusting socialism. That said, they would probably argue that in a properly unregulated market people would be lining up to donate blood at fair market values, and therefore this is the government's fault somehow.

Clarste fucked around with this message at 14:33 on Jul 21, 2023

Clarste
Apr 15, 2013

Just how many mistakes have you suffered on the way here?

An uncountable number, to be sure.
I guess they are dumber than I thought. At least ruthless social darwinism would've made sense.

Clarste
Apr 15, 2013

Just how many mistakes have you suffered on the way here?

An uncountable number, to be sure.
A perfectly spherical economy.

Clarste
Apr 15, 2013

Just how many mistakes have you suffered on the way here?

An uncountable number, to be sure.
Without a radical cultural shift, increased productivity through technology will never translate into increased leisure for workers. It'll just translate into increased profits for owners while the workers produce 10 times as much working the same hours or more. People have been predicting that we were on the verge of 2 day workweeks for almost a century now.

Edit: Needing less people to do the same work is also a great excuse to lower wages.

Clarste fucked around with this message at 04:29 on Aug 15, 2023

Clarste
Apr 15, 2013

Just how many mistakes have you suffered on the way here?

An uncountable number, to be sure.
In a world with perfect AI replacing all jobs, there are no poor because the rich let them all starve to death long ago.

Clarste
Apr 15, 2013

Just how many mistakes have you suffered on the way here?

An uncountable number, to be sure.
Yeah, I get that this thread would die without posting people to shake our fists at, but she seems like pretty low-hanging fruit and also a complete nobody that no one cares about (except in this thread).

Clarste
Apr 15, 2013

Just how many mistakes have you suffered on the way here?

An uncountable number, to be sure.
If you think about it, an ant colony is the libertarian ideal because no one involved has any idea what they're doing but it somehow just magically works. Just takes a few hundred million years of evolution and also ants are pretty dumb.

Clarste
Apr 15, 2013

Just how many mistakes have you suffered on the way here?

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Entrapment implies that law enforcement convinced you to commit a crime you would not have otherwise committed, not that they simply gave you an opportunity.

Clarste
Apr 15, 2013

Just how many mistakes have you suffered on the way here?

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VitalSigns posted:

Not that hypocrisy matters, but if their claims about Big Pharma getting people hooked on dangerous drugs is true, it refutes all their arguments that laissez-faire capitalism leads to greatest human flourishing.

I feel like, just the existence of advertising as a concept already disproves the magic of capitalist efficiency, since it makes it obvious that the quality of a product or service is not the only thing driving demand. If they can get you to buy a lower quality product for more money, what's stopping them doing anything else with that power?

Clarste
Apr 15, 2013

Just how many mistakes have you suffered on the way here?

An uncountable number, to be sure.
Can't they just call it trespassing then? Calling it vagrancy does seem to be an acknowledgement of public property in some sense.

Clarste
Apr 15, 2013

Just how many mistakes have you suffered on the way here?

An uncountable number, to be sure.
Pretty sure there's a name for the bias where you never imagine yourself as being on the losing end of some proposal. So you're much more in favor of harsh punishments, etc, because you assume it will never happen to you or anyone you know. But I can't remember what it's called.

Clarste
Apr 15, 2013

Just how many mistakes have you suffered on the way here?

An uncountable number, to be sure.
It's okay ONLY if you establish a safeword.

Clarste
Apr 15, 2013

Just how many mistakes have you suffered on the way here?

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Maybe I'm taking this too seriously, but I can't imagine a situation where these protection companies don't just divvy up turfs between themselves and live like feudal lords with their local monopoly on force. Which, you know, companies like ISPs already do, except with more violence.

Clarste
Apr 15, 2013

Just how many mistakes have you suffered on the way here?

An uncountable number, to be sure.
Ah, of course, so since war is financially untenable, everyone will immediately declare war on any rogue company for no particular reason. Naturally.

Clarste
Apr 15, 2013

Just how many mistakes have you suffered on the way here?

An uncountable number, to be sure.
Even assuming this works like they imagine and everyone plays ball, it's like they've never interacted with an insurance company. "We're sorry, but your policy doesn't cover that."

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Clarste
Apr 15, 2013

Just how many mistakes have you suffered on the way here?

An uncountable number, to be sure.

Weatherman posted:

My dude, the context was entities smaller than nation states, such as individual landholders, privatising the little parcel of air above their land, not the well established system of national airspace.

The context of the "property rights extend up and down indefinitely" thing is mostly about mineral rights. IE: You own the oil beneath your property, and people can't dig a tunnel beneath you to get it.

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