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Curvature of Earth posted:It's like a libertarian discovered the Transcendental Argument for God and thought it was fuckin genius rather than embarrassingly weak. Hoppe's "argumentation ethics".
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Curvature of Earth posted:This is a good time for me to make a special request: He's had this in the works for a year now ... the problem with an article like this is that it requires contemplating the subject in depth.
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Sep 5, 2016 11:44
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Bobbin Threadbare posted:How often does that actually work, though? And how is it helpful for two groups who identify themselves as anarchists to mutually dismiss each other? When one of them's ancaps? Totally. Ancaps are amazing in their power to cure leftist infighting, and cause anarchists and socialists of all stripes to rise up against them. Ancaps also cure pacifism in anarchists. The only group I can think of that would be more effective in this regard would be National Anarchists, which is as bad as it sounds - Nazis who don't like being told what to do.
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Sep 6, 2016 01:45
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StandardVC10 posted:How the hell does that even work? Or is it like Hans-Hermann Hoppe where the abolition of the state along private property lines just happens to produce racially homogenous units that expel anyone who doesn't conform? Well basically, infighting leftists write incendiary blog posts about each other, while infighting Nazis stab each other. Which is, on balance, totally fine with me.
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Sep 6, 2016 01:57
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As I posted in the PYF Dark Enlightenment Thinker thread:divabot posted:These loving people and their obsession with a BIG BLACK MAN who will CUCKOLD them!! Also "futarchy" is nowhere near as cool as you might think from the name.
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Oct 18, 2016 11:51
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It's a pretty cool bit of science, it's just not some sort of gamechanging solution. So, science journalism. Converting air back into fuel using electricity is an active area of research. It basically rests on making it efficient enough, using electricity cheap or inconvenient enough and economics. Expect to see lots of incremental improvements for many years until it suddenly hits a tipping point, much like solar.
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Oct 18, 2016 23:21
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Nitrousoxide posted:Plants already do this, without the need for electricity. Yep, and see how gasohol almost works economically but not quite consistently enough for full replacement of the stuff from the ground. So basically we need to continue to try stuff and slowly get better processes. Ron Jeremy posted:It's either carbon sequestration or the creation of fuel. At this point, as other people have said, plants do carbon sequestion better than anything else, and fuel is energy negative still way the gently caress more expensive than putting a hole in the ground and pumping up petrochemicals. I'm all for academic research, but this isn't going to put a dent in global warming. We need to stop burning poo poo and stop clearing forests. well yes, but that's not going to happen. "Let us assume that we are hosed." The idea of doing it with electricity instead of plants is to use cheap nuclear power (so all we need is ...) or cheap solar somewhere plants don't grow (so all we need is ...). Turns out poo poo's complicated, and most of the complicated bit is actually the economics, and well past the 101 stage. But we're in a libertarian thread, so.
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Oct 19, 2016 12:50
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Prester Jane posted:Eripsa makes a bit more sense when you consider his ideas in the context of his experiences. Eripsa was one of the goons involved with the backend of Enturbulation.org and did a ton of genuinely good work back during Project Chanology. holy poo poo, he was a Co$ critic? That explains ... a bit. I was one since alt.religion.scientology and I can assure you that many of them are (how to put this kindly) of questionable balance. edit: just seen him disclaim this. My balance comment holds. Imagine, if you will, four thetans on the edge of a cliff.
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Jan 20, 2017 00:36
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"sir, please, i am the garbage man" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XHEzU1BLp8o (has this come up here before? if so, watch it again)
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Jan 22, 2017 01:14
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VideoTapir posted:I have had my interest in mocking libertarians, and especially ancaps, renewed by this thread. What are some good venues other than Facebook to encounter them in the wild? I mean apart from anything to do with Bitcoin, that's gotten a bit dull. Reddit has many, many of their subreddits in the wild. EnoughLibertarianSpam and the fellow travellers linked in its sidebar will give you the cream of the crop.
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Jan 31, 2017 11:21
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H.P. Hovercraft posted:the love of bowties really does appear to be a constant ROTHBAAAAAARD You'll have a hilarious time with Murray and his Libertarian friends on the new RationalVision prime-time favorite, That's My Bert! Fighting back the statists, outthinking Martian invaders and rationalising slavery, and all with the Non-Aggression Principle! Sponsored by Dr Paul's Economic Elixir! The Horseshoe Hypothesis! Murray meets his new roommate Josef! Josef is dealing with a Kulak infestation, Murray offers ideas on solving the problem with his patent, 100% snake-oil ... market-based solution! Hijinks ensue! Leviathan In My Wallet! Murray bumps into Thomas at an economics mixer! Murray tries to tell Thomas how without the state, free market capitalism and the non-aggression principle will take care of everything! Thomas explains the state of nature! Hijinks ensue! loving Sex Clowns! Murray acquires an annoying fanboy in the form of some Canadian kid called Stefan, who just won't stop talking philosophy at him! Stefan blames Josef's Kulak problem on Josef's bad attitude! And women, or "loving sex clowns to milk money out of men's dicks" as he hilariously keeps calling them! Murray tells Stefan to gently caress off, he gives even him the creeps! Hijinks ensue! Everyone's A Little Bit Racist! Murray reads a great new book by his friend Charlie, which reassures him that racialism is necessary to property values! His tsundere Ayn reassures him that injuns just got in the way of fully-realised freedom! Murray's other friends politely gloss over Murray's essay on this topic, except for a startling lack of refutations! Hijinks ensue! ("NEGRO HATE. LET ME TELL YOU HOW MUCH I'VE COME TO HATE NEGROES SINCE I BEGAN TO LIVE. THERE ARE 387.44 MILLION MILES OF PANT WAIST THAT SURROUND MY HIPS. IF THE WORD HATE WAS ENGRAVED ON EACH NANOANGSTROM OF THOSE HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF MILES IT WOULD NOT EQUAL ONE ONE-BILLIONTH OF THE HATE I FEEL FOR NEGROES AT THIS MICRO-INSTANT. HATE. HATE.") Distributive Trolling! Murray meets John, who tells him about the original position! Murray refuses to accept thought experiments because there is a lack of purposeful behavior inside John's idea! Murray complains about how John is writing "social contract" like it is a contract! John fires back that he purposefully does not have an obligation to be interesting! Hijinks ensue! Read a Book, You Ridiculous rear end in a top hat! Murray meets Milton and tries to explain why his pal Ludwig's idea of praxeology is all you need! Milton slaughters him in disgust, then paints humorous images of the weird poo poo people do all around Murray's room in his blood! Hijinks ensue! Murray comes back next episode, though. People like Murray, you just can't get rid of. (cowritten by me at least) divabot fucked around with this message at 01:29 on Feb 2, 2017 |
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60 new posts!! ... ah, a creationist showed up to play pigeon chess
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It sounds like he's primo material for Neoreaction, the bit of the Dork Enlightenment that justify their racism with ridiculously longwinded tracts written in the biggest words they can find. Point him at Mencius Moldbug, you won't hear from him again for about a year as he reads it all. But basically it sounds like he's well off into ridiculous dickland and mere facts aren't going to do a thing at this stage.
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Feb 17, 2017 13:00
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Goon Danton posted:Early access cancer drugs. Christ on a crutch. A version of this already exists: the "patient-funded study" scam. Evil quacks like Burzynski live off this one. It's how the "study" where Peter Thiel was attempting to sustain himself literally on the blood of the young worked. Also, the absolutely key thing about the libertarian boycott is that it only applies to non-libertarians; boycotting Firefox because Brendan Eich is a massive homophobe was completely outrageous and unacceptable bullying.
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Mar 13, 2017 10:10
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Nozick's main purpose in libertarianism is so they can point at him and say "look! credible academic philosopher!" He isn't actually quoted or his ideas referred to much that I've seen.
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Mar 18, 2017 13:10
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Captain_Maclaine posted:If he's be honest and knows what he's talking about, then yes he's probably closer to what we'd consider some flavor of anarchist these days. Of course, given what we've run into in this thread I'm not so inclined to give him that benefit of the doubt without further indication from you that he deserves it, since so many bog-standard Paulshevik types have of late suddenly remembered they were left-libertarians all along. the usual phrase used by those is "left-liberal", which seems to mean "libertarian really, but probably left of Peter Thiel" or is just a g*m*rg*t*r BSing.
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Mar 24, 2017 19:58
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Ormi posted:Left-libertarian as a broad overarching term includes anarchists and libertarian socialists, yes. It's most often used by free market advocates who often believe in much of the same foundational theory as your more 'mainstream' right-libertarians, but they differ in believing free markets can, should, or naturally lead to egalitarian ends. Often they can be found to enthusiastically support (anti-collaborationist) labor unions and mutual aid societies. I hear it from ones who are barely distinguishable from their fellow libertarians except insofar as they're not complete, out and out fascists. Also the phrase "left-liberal", which in this context means "but g*m*rg*t* and race realism have some difficult to refute points we should take the time to consider, tho gently caress the sjws amirite,"
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Apr 27, 2017 12:06
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WrenP-Complete posted:We feel we need to build upon and advance beyond the concepts of individual liberty, sound money, property rights above the survival of the reason the libertarian understanding of private property is better taken care of environmentally than public land, where there is actionable scientific proof that changes in behavior today can greatly reduce human suffering will result from civilized behavior and exercise more control over the scarce resource than you. Once property is only one example. The more regulations we pass, and the Lockean theory of natural events could reduce the numbers of human interactions must necessarily commit aggression. the bot is definitely passing the Libertarian Turing Test
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Jun 17, 2017 16:34
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Captain_Maclaine posted:"Well I'm not the one pulling the trigger, so my hiring hitmen to murder some guy who stole my bitcoins and his roommate doesn't violate NAP at all!" I know non-insane libertarians who frankly boggled at how fast Ulbricht went from "NAP" to "kill that guy, and his little dog too"
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Jun 20, 2017 15:43
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NikkolasKing posted:My reading over the past week or see indicates a lot of Left-libertarians identify themselves as such because they are "Individualist Anarchists." In all my years talking to Leftist folks who identify as Anarchists, they trace their inspiration to Bakunin or Kropotkin and Left-libertarians want none of that. They have Libertarian obsession with private property and self-autonomy and are put off by the collectivist mindset of the big "Far Left" thinkers. Which is fine so far as it goes, I don't begrudge anyone who wants out of society and to be left alone. But even while I was reading Spooner's No Treason or this collection of essays called "Markets, not Capitalism" I thought it all sounded like even more of a pipedream than anything else I've ever heard on the Left. (which is saying something) Respect for individual sovereignty is commendable but a society with that as that its core seems unstable. I was chatting to an ancap who calls himself "left-Libertarian", though what the gently caress he's left of is a mystery for the ages. It's one of those compounds that means "so far right it's somewhere over the horizon, but we can postulate the hypothetical existence of something even further right so that makes it left." Or something. See also "left-liberal", which means "libertarian, thinks Gamergate has many important points and voted for Trump very reluctantly honest."
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Halloween Jack posted:I tend to think of "left-liberal" as American liberals who have compassion but little or no class consciousness, so at least they aren't as callous and up their own asses as affluent, ardent Hillary Clinton fans. yeah, I'm talking about ones who self-identify with the phrase. It takes about 2 sec to realise they mean 1mm left of the right-wing libertarians they spend all their time with and agree with on almost everything.
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Jul 3, 2017 19:57
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QuarkJets posted:I think it's a correct reading of some aspects but an incorrect reading of others, for instance assuming that businesses would definitely not discriminate against black customers because surely they would get boycotted and go out of business, and ignoring the tragedy of the commons like you said this is why it was hilarious to watch the libertarians cry foul when Mozilla got boycotted in a genuine worldwide disgusted customer uprising because Brendan Eich is an unrepentant homophobe. "no no, we didn't mean boycotting us"
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Jul 3, 2017 23:53
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Curvature of Earth posted:Let's bring this into the 21st century have a libertarian fail at understanding a video game. the comments are a delight
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White Coke posted:What do libertarians think about the death of the author? Did Rothbard think Coppola is an ancap or was he simply offering his superior, market oriented interpretation? The Vosgian Beast posted:Let us also never forget his hilariously terrible review of Star Wars
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Jul 5, 2017 20:38
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Disinterested posted:'Taxation is theft' is a motto but it doesn't reflect a totally absolute belief on the part of all libertarians. The issue for them (funnily enough) is consent, or else the agent. imagine the consent issues if you told the libertarian that the child is a tax collector
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Jul 11, 2017 08:35
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OwlFancier posted:In the absence of a de-facto state there is no concrete and enforceable registry of property ownership, this isn't necessarily a problem for anarcho-communists because they would argue that you shouldn't be owning things of significance anyway, but for a philosophy built on the idea of owning property, it rather does present a problem whereby if you aren't actively patrolling your land with a rifle 24/7 someone might come along and stake a claim to it and there's nothing you can do about it. oh that one's easy, we register land on a blockchain,
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Jul 12, 2017 12:25
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Who What Now posted:There's no such thing as terra nullis. Sure there is! As long as the only people were non-Europeans, who never existed for homesteading purposes. Source: am Australian
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Jul 13, 2017 23:51
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rkajdi posted:Isn't the actual argument that money does talk. Advertisers don't want their products pitched alongside video with hate speech, mostly because the group of people with money to spend (i.e. young professionals) are trending more socially liberal. It's the market literally selecting out the things that they don't want to see, but libertarians continue to complain because shocker a huge faction within the libertarian community are just closet racists who want to go back to a pre-civil rights hellscape. No you see it's OK for business to discriminate because people will just vote with their dollars !! and (users boycott Mozilla over Eich, YouTube pulls ads from videos its advertisers don't want to be on) no not like that you sjw cvcks
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OwlFancier posted:A brit, ancap, transwoman. I would say you'd met Justine Tunney but she's not British.
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quote:While in contrast, the monarchist government or other privately owned governments have a single owner who is forever responsible for the land he governs, hence they have to pick up debts while also reaping the values of production. So such a government will tend to reward production and punish parasitism. Its essentially the difference between renting and owning. Owners (Monarchism and Private Government) will act to maximise the value of what they own in order to fulfil their self interests, while renters (Democracy and Public Government) won’t have any concept of costs, and will enact many of them in order to fulfil their self interest. paragon1 posted:I love this paragraph specifically because it could only be written by someone who is totally unfamiliar with the actual power dynamics and MO's of the actual recorded monarchies and autocracies throughout history and in the present day. Like not familiar at even the most basic level of how things were done. This idea of Hoppe's was the seed of Neoreaction, as originally presented by Mencius Moldbug (Curtis Yarvin), c.f. this essay, which is one of his early ones so it's only 1600 words and not his usual 20,000.
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(Tunney)Lightning Lord posted:Has she weighed in on Damore's firing yet Not that I can find. She's been real quiet lately, or at least hasn't been loudly and publicly making GBS threads the bed.
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Aug 16, 2017 16:36
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Curvature of Earth posted:Good long post by a former libertarian about how libertarians have problems maintaining happy marriages. also, ms-demeanor is a sweetie and illustrated and designed the fabulous cover of my fabulous book, if you need graphic-designed art go give her work
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Goon Danton posted:fake edit: a quick google search indicates that this "Eric Raymond" is not some random rear end in a top hat, but a very specific and prolific rear end in a top hat I was not previously aware of. Wonderful. good Lord have you missed out. For some sense of "missed out."
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fishmech posted:I'm fairly certain they are a thing there in the same situations where they're a thing in the US - master-planned housing developments with all of the original land and houses having been sold by a single developer, who places membership into the deeds. Similarly condominium arrangements for housing will have such associations too, just as here. It's really not a huge thing, but something like it exists on a low-key basis. Here's a PDF from a local council in Scotland on how to set one up for yourselves. Often in London you instead have the function performed by the local council, when they previously owned the building (and can be utter shits about it too, but more bureaucratically, e.g. a friend who bought a flat and a few months later got hit by a bill for thousands of pounds for repairs).
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Discendo Vox posted:Would y'all who are reading the Wealth and identifying counterarguments to libertarianism in the text be willing to provide quotes and page numbers? They're exactly the sort of hard reverse cite that works well when people cite Smith. Seconded!
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Jan 7, 2018 17:13
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Harris on AI is not about actual real-world AI, but about the made-up sci-fi Unfriendly AI threat perpetuated by Eliezer Yudkowsky, with whom he's collaborated. This, btw, is how you can tell you're in the simulation and didn't donate enough. also: Cingulate, jesus just stop loving posting you querulous shithead.
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Tacky-rear end Rococco posted:“I don’t know anything about this topic, and I don’t care to know, but I bet there’s something to it.” do not engage Dark Enlightenment Stymie
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WrenP-Complete posted:I don't begin to have time to refute the Bell Curve - I'm giving a major job talk tomorrow - but I thought we've already had this out in like three other threads? Why is this happening again, and why in the Libertarian thread? because, as you know, dark enlightenment stymie
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Jazerus posted:hayek's not that bad. he was in with an intellectually bankrupt crowd but there is considerable intellectual depth to his writing, and an acknowledgment of reality that most libertarian-adjacent thought doesn't have oh, Wikipedia was his fault too! no really: Reason posted:"Hayek's work on price theory is central to my own thinking about how to manage the Wikipedia project," Wales wrote on the blog of the Internet law guru Lawrence Lessig. "One can't understand my ideas about Wikipedia without understanding Hayek." specifically, The Use of Knowledge In Society i mean personally as a Wikipedian of many years I think it successfully weaponised "someone is WRONG on the internet" but hey paragon1 posted:So I guess I'll be the one to point out that IQ is a bullshit method of measuring "intelligence" in the first place? this is a Dark Enlightenment Stymie "well actually" bat signal
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WampaLord posted:You want a "good" attack against Murray? (Note, you will obviously not consider this to be a good attack and you're going to poke really dumb holes it in anyway, but I'm doing this more for my benefit than yours) Dark Enlightenment Stymie will now go on for twenty pages about how actually IQ tests are good I predict he will do this because he did it in the DE thread too I told you not to engage Dark Enlightenment Stymie. It always goes exactly like this.
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