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Staluigi
Jun 22, 2021


Any answer to that is going to be loving hilarious

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Staluigi
Jun 22, 2021

Jesus III posted:

"I don't like you opinion so gently caress off". Good argument. You fire fighter lovers sure are good at debate!

"Nobody ever wrote no song called 'gently caress the fire department' ... except for this guy. he don't count"

Staluigi
Jun 22, 2021

Caros posted:

Reminder that if you out 10 libertarians in a room and ask about policy you will get at minimum 52 answers.

It is the nature of not being a real party, much like a lot of us socialist orgs. Since there is no chance of ever holding office or engaging in actual real change, they can basically say whatever teh gently caress each individual or group wants so long as they remain under the extremely broad umbrella.

I mean, look at tankies. In no sane world do they have anything to do with most modern leftists, but the tent is so broad that they get in.


I always forever want to remember this story, the "What Happened To Libertarianism" postscript

think about it: in the end, because of the critical flaws of libertarianism and its inability to ultimately deal with autocratic collapse of the ideal, the party was conquered by the group that had an intent to hierarchically dominate, who then immediately cranked the authoritarian platform purge lever as hard as their skinny little arms could and locked down on who gets to define or direct libertarianism as an organization, in the process guaranteeing a total purge of any ideology or institutional competence which isn't "simping for idiot billionaires" or "acting as a thin cover for tradwest groups that insist they aren't white ethnonationalists"

100% absolute perfect closing chapter in a documentary on american libertarian politics because it was a perfect capsule episode about "and there's why you can't have libertarianism"

and sure that's funny, but i agree with the weird crossover similarities that were less funny, where the ultimate end of a lot of leftist orgs (or their ability to accomplish poo poo whatsoever) was intentional takeover that swiftly destroyed them by purging basically any ideology or structural competence that wasn't about "simping for dictatorships" or "using their facebook group page for posting laser eyes stalin memes" poo poo which probably actually destroyed over a hundred leftist orgs actually for real

but here's where it gets funny again: the leftist org demolition has to happen a hundred times and there's still leftist orgs, because the leftist orgs are naturally diffuse and syncretic. libertarianism is unavoidably monolithic and heirarchical to begin with pre-takeover no matter how hard it denies it so it only has to die once a political generation to get downgraded to a joke ideology, and in our generation that was the LP crushing their own dream of any kind of mainstream political viability in America

Pantaloon Pontiff posted:

One of the problems with discussing libertarianism is that there isn't any central philosophy but a lot of its adherents speak as though there is. When I used to argue online more, one of the most frustrating things about arguing with libertarians is that you could make no assumptions that they followed any particular belief set whatsoever

In the turbulent birth of Internet Libertarianism, where grandpa's BBS's and Usenets and oldschool forums were getting choked by obsessives who would Never Shut Up About Libertarianism, this was a huge deal

Even as a very small minority, libertarians were vastly overrepresented in the early techbugs that got in on online communities. because of their early stranglehold on early online political spheres, this immediately became an issue: all libertarianism is a concrete principle you are never allowed to define, so they will claim to have a coherent ideology with set principles, but those set principles don't apply or act representative of libertarianism whenever whoever you are arguing with feels like not having to stand up to principles that don't really stand up to any kind of rigorous review

so all you were left to argue with is what the principles, party, and ideology turned out to be in practice, which is the exact thing libertarians and libertarianism actually hate more than anything in the loving world more than taxes or not being allowed to own enough guns to get crushed to death under

Staluigi
Jun 22, 2021

In two months, argentina will have been consumed by bears

Staluigi
Jun 22, 2021

Liquid Communism posted:

Notably they also don't want to pay for a court system to adjudicate contracts, nor any enforcement arm.

reminded of that ideological brick wall that all the ultrapsycho libertarians and objectivists loved to hit for whole decades where there's a question of how they're supposed to prosecute and prevent force and fraud

at first they would lie to themselves, the world, and god by saying "there will be enough purely voluntary funding of an accountability system"

afterwards they would start hypothesizing that maybe you could have courts funding themselves with state-run lotteries and scratch tickets

Staluigi
Jun 22, 2021

Subway™: Stay Fresh or Freeze©, dirtbag!

Staluigi
Jun 22, 2021

poo poo, it was Stay Fresh AND Freeze

I inadvertently introduced too much voluntary accordance to force and fraud in my anarcholibertarian pseudolaw fanfic, destroying the thin line between libertopia and criminal apocalypse and condemning us to Cyberpunk 1994

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Staluigi
Jun 22, 2021

its (one) part of (one of) the great ol libertarian to fascist pipeline(s)

step one: ABSOLUTE NO! to any social program to pull people out of incredibly desperate situations that are enormously damaging to the community health of a region. NO safety net. NO free treatment for anything. Just the FREE MARKETS.

step two: social and socioeconomic conditions in the areas where you choose to live disintegrate due to crippling poverty and horrendous, corporation-fuled drug addictions changing your home into a visibly dirty, visibly unsafe location overrun with tweakers and parts thieves

step three: the libertarian awakens to a sudden call within them for the government to absolutely go turbostatist on the Undesirable Elements, for the good of society

step four: (optional) as social and economic malaise increase, they sink below the waterline into the desperate conditions of the Undesirable Elements and taste the boot

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