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I no-joke read about 110 pages of this thread before getting the end spoiled because I clicked his permaban entry in the leper's colon, and I lost the will to read the remaining however-many hundred pages remained. So I missed the melon-loving reference. Could someone please either explain or link it for me?
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xwing posted:I live near Disney... how many raging people against this have stopped going to Disney? or have you switched your insurance? No? You're probably benefiting from this in some way. Your 401K, cheaper goods, etc... I'd just like to point out that the libertarians in this thread have railed specifically against this logic. Let me reword it while leaving the idea intact: quote:I live in the Statist States of America... how many raging libertarians against this have emigrated? or have you begun a campaign of resistance? No? You're probably benefiting from this in some way. Your low-crime society, clean food, etc...
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Xwing, assuming the following: You are an adult and have completed your education You are skilled in your chosen vocation You'd prefer to be in a not-a-society that is closer to your ideals and based on your political leanings: Education and other social services should be provided by anyone other than  THE STATE You don't like being coerced by MEN WITH GUNS into paying taxes Welfare is the wilful expropriation of justly-earned private property and would be unnecessary in THE FREE MARKET You shouldn't have to pay for LEECHERS AND MOOCHERS to get fat off the government teat You could be much more than you are today, perhaps even a Captain of Industry, if it wasn't for that meddling government ... why don't you move to Somalia, which fits all the above? No central government expropriating your property, no onerous laws and regulations keeping you down, a thriving private sector heavily subsidised by piracy and toxic waste disposaljust the possibility for a get-up-and-go chap like yourself to stand on his own two feet and show us statists how we could be living large purely off the sweat of our own brows. You'd have the freedom to bring up and educate your children in your own way, by paying a private-sector educator, and could be sure that they too would make it on their own, without being brainwashed or mooched off of by Some details above may be exaggerated, but my point and question stand. Weatherman fucked around with this message at 23:42 on Jun 7, 2016 |
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Jun 7, 2016 23:40
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Cerebral Bore posted:Look, if I don't get to build my goddamn Groverhaus wherever I want and however I want we're basically living in Nazi Germany. Groverhaus is legit one of the funniest things to come out of these forums 
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Jun 9, 2016 13:48
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Twerkteam Pizza posted:AW HELL YEAH MY FELLOW STATIST THUG Erm, I believe you meant to say "fellow statist urban youth"?
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Jun 12, 2016 05:02
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paragon1 posted:Might be worth it to instead argue against the statement that this isn't really a priority for libertarians by pointing out the prominent fucktards who won't shut up about it. Well they're not true
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Jun 16, 2016 23:24
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JustJeff88 posted:As a counterexample, Japan only allows you to be a Japanese citizen and nothing else. If you take citizenship with another country, you have to renounce your Japanese citizenship as well. Of course, what they don't know wouldn't hurt them... Don't be so sure about that. I'd post this in the Schadenfruede thread if it weren't such a niche interest. I'm quite satisfied with the way it turned out 
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Jun 20, 2016 05:22
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Twerkteam Pizza posted:Give me a good textbook for intermediate Marxian economics. I already have the introductory stuff down Give me an introductory one please, and after that I'll read the one you get recommended now.
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Jul 7, 2016 05:48
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Just a reminder that you are now able to add  to your ignore list again.There are times, sometimes, when sticking your fingers in your ears and going LA LA LA I CAN'T HEAR YOU is a valid debate tactic.
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Jul 10, 2016 23:18
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Anticheese posted:Try quoting a post with word filters on. You may discover what you are looking for. Or Ted Cruz. Holy poo poo, it was true all along
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Jul 15, 2016 10:00
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fishmech is the smartest kid in america
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Jul 24, 2016 14:56
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Twerkteam Pizza posted:SM is good op Zeitgueist parachute spotted
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Jul 25, 2016 09:41
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8-Bit Scholar posted:wow rude [img-michael-jackson-eating-popcorn.gifv.exe]
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Jul 29, 2016 00:41
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Eh, jrodefeld at least put some effort into this posts. 2-Bit Student is just trolling, I think, and weakly at that. It's not breaking the NAP to encourage others to put him on ignore, right? Shunning is one of those lolbertarian-approved strategies, isn't it?
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Aug 11, 2016 22:52
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Literally The Worst posted:I don't know what the gently caress that middle paragraph is trying to say Whatever it is, it needs an enormous [CITATION NEEDED].
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Aug 19, 2016 00:33
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Nitrousoxide posted:Look, I think we are getting into the weeds here. I'm making the, I think, uncontroversial claim that raising the minimum wage will increase unemployment, with the effect being strongest among those currently making at or very near the current minimum wage. And that this should be factored into the the calculus for whether a minimum wage increase is a good idea. Wasn't that a favoured turn of phrase of a previous lolbertarian poster?
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Aug 19, 2016 06:06
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I'm not sure how the following ideas are reconciled in some people's heads: - Increasing the minimum wage will lead to layoffs - Employees are only employed if they provide at least the same value to their employer as they're getting paid in wages (or, "business is not charity") Here's Bob. Bob has bitch tits. Bob works as a cleaner for minimum wage, let's say $7 an hour because I don't know what your minimum wage is, at Joe's Hardware. Bob is the only cleaner at Joe's, and Joe is happy with his cleaning. Today the minimum wage rises to $15 an hour. Joe says "sorry Bob but I'm going to have to let you go, thanks Obama" because how dare the federal government blah blah. Joe wants to pay less for Bob's cleaning. Now Joe can't hire anyone to clean his shop, because he has to pay $15 an hour regardless of who he hires. The toilets are getting blocked up and there is dust all over the merchandise. Joe thinks this is acceptable I guess because even though his shop's a mess, he's not paying $15 or something? But if Bob isn't worth hiring at the new minimum wage, as is evident by Joe laying him off (see point 1) and evidently doing all right without him, why was Bob employed in the first place (see point 2)? Surely if businesses are not charities, they are only employing people to do jobs that are absolutely necessary to the running of that business/provision of a third golden yacht. So why do absolutely-necessary roles get left unfilled when the government says "yo, these dudes cost more now"?
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Aug 20, 2016 05:12
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paragon1 posted:Me either, I have to consult the wriggling mass of giblets that floats above my home for that sort of thing these days. Hard "g", like "goatse", or soft "g", like "GIF"?
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Aug 23, 2016 23:47
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VitalSigns posted:I want it to be true. Yep, watertight logic if you ask me. Which you didn't, but that's what I would say if you had. (But you didn't.) please be true 
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Aug 28, 2016 05:00
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fishmech posted:That's the distinction for like middle versus upper class in Victorian-era England and Scotland. And in that case, a lot of those middle class people were significantly wealthier and getting more ongoing income than the upper class people, but they couldn't get in to the social circle of people whose great-great-great-great-grand-uncle did a favor for the king 600 years earlier and so he had a hereditary manor.
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Sep 6, 2016 01:46
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Nitrousoxide posted:Central planning by the state doesn't work because it doesn't have the knowledge that is worked into the market.  Do you think that "central planning by the state" exists inside a literal black box with no windows?Please please expand on your idea there because I have an itchy "just post 'this is dumb and you are dumb for thinking it'" finger. Nitrousoxide posted:The thing about the market is, you don't even need to know how difficult getting the stuff for your product is, or how scarce it is, it's all priced into the goods. All you as an individual need to do is make the decision of whether the price it is currently at is worth it to you. On the other hand, recorded history. Exhibit 1, the passenger pigeon. Exhibit 2, fish stocks nearing collapse as we speak. Exhibit 3, Australian consumers pay $1 per litre for milk while milk producers go bankrupt and shut down, thanks to the glorious hand of the free market allowing a duopoly to form, start competing on price, and then squeeze the everloving gently caress out of the milk producers just so that they can say "shop with us, we have cheap milk!" Nitrousoxide posted:The pricing in the market encodes so much information as to dwarf what a central planner would hope to do. This is you just making stuff up. Nitrousoxide posted:This is all I have time for right now. How about instead of dropping into the thread, lowering your pants and spraying a fine mist of liquid poo poo over every single topic that was mentioned, you pick one topic and defend it properly? That way you wouldn't get caught saying stupid things like the third quote above. It would be a better use of everyone's time.
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Sep 9, 2016 05:12
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Nitrousoxide posted:Well, the examples I can think of generally don't seem to run terribly well. Amtrak, Conrail. USPS has been losing money every year for a while now. There should be a rule in this thread that when people (especially Americans) want to posit that government-run corporations are so much more terrible than those in a free market (pbuh), they have to use examples that are not American. You can't point to organisations that have been specifically targeted for destruction for decades by half your government and say "see? They just don't work!  "Use examples from countries that aren't so insane and see where your argument takes you.
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Sep 9, 2016 23:40
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Another quality poo poo-n-run post by NitrousoxideNitrousoxide posted:I mean I'm not making any claims as to whether the USPS should be run as a state owned business. But it is, and is a counterexample to the idea of efficient and profitable state owned businesses. Nitrousoxide posted:Hasn't USPS revenue been dropping pretty dramatically? It's not just expenses that are loving them. Nitrousoxide posted:Dunno. Not every business does it. Maybe certain sectors of the economy are better suited to it. Nitrousoxide: I dunno. Maybe *long squeaky fart that suddenly (but not surprisingly) ends in wetness*
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In his posts, Nitrousoxide uses a lot of hypotheticals (would/wouldn't/should/etc.) to describe how the free market supposedly would act if all these laws were removed and people could be freed from the repressive shackles of MEN WITH GUNS . On the other hand, everyone else is using concrete words that describe past experiences (have ~ed, did, were, etc.) that actually happened. The language used by both sides shows quite clearly which one has more grounding in the real world. Nitrousoxide, putting aside the fact that you're a bad poster who is refusing to engage on any meaningful level with the innumerable criticisms being levelled at your chosen economic religion, can you see why people can't take lolbertarianism seriously? It's espousing basically "when
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Not as far as I know.
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Sep 25, 2016 23:22
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Caros posted:... Think hard about why a woman wouldn't want to be called swallow. 
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Sep 26, 2016 09:11
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Who What Now posted:When you get right down to it, doesn't everything really just boil down to cuckoldry and women's consent? Actually it's about ethics in 
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Music Theory posted:You'll have to take comfort in the knowledge that, despite having $4.5 million in revenue in 2013 (according to Wikipedia), their sign looks like this right now: gently caress you, got an M, an I, an N, an E, and about ten other letters.
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Nov 6, 2016 23:16
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paragon1 posted:The Senate is undemocratic as all hell, as is the current cap on House Members. Even before you get to the Senate, your voting system itself is hosed up. First past the post and a lack of compulsory voting? That's poo poo. You end up with cases of Joe Blow winning with 35% of the vote because the opposition was split two or three ways. In other words, 65% -- a clear majority -- voted against Joe Blow and the horse he rode in on. Could well have been that the other two candidates were in clear opposition to him but similar enough in ideology that the people who voted for them would have been happy with one or the other. But Blow wins because FPTP sucks balls. Get yourself preferential voting so that you can have a real democratic election kthx
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Nov 14, 2016 09:47
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And begging for bitcoin tips
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Nov 22, 2016 23:29
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Caros posted:having a country that spans a continent does make for some logistical challenges not faced by Denmark. Problem is that most Americans skip this level of nuance and go straight to "NOPE TOO BIG CANT DO IT, we're not like those pinko commies in Europe"
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Dec 6, 2016 09:01
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Strawman posted:I'll give you all of 10 francs. 
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Dec 13, 2016 22:53
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sweart gliwere posted:Entire culture vats of disease mined for energy, some spores sealed in hollows near every entrance to your home like an old-timey gas safe. Just wanted you to know that this didn't go unappreciated.
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Feb 2, 2017 12:23
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Gianthogweed posted:alas we've been burdened with "protector of the world" status One of my hobbies is listening to people's use of passive grammar structures and tallying up when it's done to avoid responsibility. Pretty close to 100% so far, and yours didn't hurt that figure. You guys took on that role yourself once you discovered your massive hateboner for communism and the wealth you could amass by invading other countries and then making them pay for "protection". Gianthogweed posted:The nazis turned their economy so quickly because they stole the wealth from the jews. They targeted a class of people they scapegoated due to their business prowess, seized their wealth, and those they didn't kick out they killed systematically. It was one of the worst examples of transfer of wealth to government in history. And they weren't the only totalitarian governments to combine extreme nationalism with extreme socialism. Stalinist Russia comes to mind. As does Maoist China. As does post-WWII United States. You guys spent most of the war selling stuff to Europe, and then once it was over, went over and looted Germany and made Japan your bitch. Those factories didn't dismantle themselves, nor did those rocket scientists and biological warfare research magically appear within your borders! Oh and 360 yen to the dollar for several decades probably helped just a smidgen.
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paragon1 posted:They were exporting and we were importing so unironically yes it very much did. I don't know where you're getting the idea we looted these countries. Like, what'd we steal, the last two bricks left stacked on each other in Tokyo? At work, phone posting, can't offer more than this for now: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allied_plans_for_German_industry_after_World_War_II#Reparations_and_exploitation
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QuarkJets posted:This is a bit silly and ahistorical; it's not like soldiers were marching into Germany and marching out with scientists slung over their shoulders. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Paperclip#Capture_and_detention
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WrenP-Complete posted:Absolutely everything. Fabulous!
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JustJeff88 posted:I'm playing devil's advocate a bit here and I want to make that abundantly clear, but someone could easily use that to refute people like me, of which there are a fair few around here, who despise the capitalist system in general. They could very easily make the same argument by showing that every socialist/communist economy ever has eventually tumbled down. Sometimes spectacularly in the case of the USSR, other times under the weight of public opinion in the case of 70s socialist Britain. And still others from outside interference from countries that shall remain nameless and have a huge radioactive hate-boner for anyone even thinking of going socialist in "their" hemisphere.
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sudo rm -rf posted:I could try and get him to join the forums. Please do, but tell him to leave his loving thesaurus at home. He's not fooling anybody.
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Goon Danton posted:It's probably my favorite of his essays just for how consistently stupid he is about literally everything. Something something self-ownership 
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