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The Something Awful Forums > Discussion > Debate & Discussion > Libertarians: You fire fighter lovers sure are good at debate!
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Liquid Communism
Mar 9, 2004

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Panfilo posted:

Isn't this the head of the group that took over the Libertarian party? If so I'm not terribly surprised he's like this.
https://twitter.com/fakertarians/status/1772424276248821765?t=9pFkoJ9Qk-BUkyXnIsoDzg&s=19

Yeah, Lew Rockwell is a giant piece of poo poo. Chairman of the Mises Institute since 1982 and worked for John Birch Society then Ron Paul before that. He's not just a radical right libertarian, he's also a neo-confederate, racist, and homophobe. Both he and the now-former research head of the Mises Institute Jeffrey Tucker are involved with the League of the South, a successionist white supremacist christofascist org that advocates for the south to secede and become a white homeland.

Tucker is, of course, big into bitcoin.

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Liquid Communism
Mar 9, 2004

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Grace Baiting posted:

Mises Institute (Lee Rockwell's group) and Mises Caucus (of Libertarian Party takeover fame) are technically different organizations, though I don't know if there's any daylight between them on all the various "how racist can we be about this?" issues, and I believe the latter was named after and mb modeled on the former

There is not. The whole genesis of the Mises Caucus was the Libertarian National Committee trying to distance themselves from the Mises Institute after they were involved in Unite the Right and the Mises Institute President, Jeff Deist, got caught using straight-up Nazi rhetoric like "blood and soil and God and nation still matter to people" in thinkpieces for the institute.

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SlothfulCobra posted:

Indentured servitude is the term you're looking for. There was a history in America of people agreeing to work without pay for some period of time, often as as the price of passage over to America. It often gets overlooked between better living conditions, the fact that it was [supposed to be] temporary and voluntary, and the fact that it isn't sociologically relevant in any modern racial power structure.

If you go digging further back into European history there's a host of other grey areas where people enter into some kind of seemingly unfree servitude of their own free will. Supposedly a lot of serfdom got its start from people voluntarily being bound into the system because it was a mutual agreement and their labor would be reciprocated with protection from their lord, which was more relevant in much more dangerous European times. Even in ancient Rome you can dig up some weird examples of people voluntarily entering into slavery.

Famously there were a couple different ways that the South tried to reassert the old order but without the precise structures of slavery, and they had varying levels of success, but with something like working at a Ford factory, while Ford was weird and gross and creepy, is very much entirely unlike most forms of slavery because you could just leave, the primary threat is being fired. You won't be hunted down by dogs for walking off the job and you can't get sold down the river. Something like a company town might be more like slavery, and I expect Ford was more of a slavedriver with his failed rubber plantation, but just being weird and creepy to your workers is a different kind of offense.

Indentured apprenticeship was common in the trade guilds in pre-modern Europe and the colonies as well as well. The usual terms for an apprentice included trading their labor and a sum up front from the parents for room, board, clothing, and instruction for a certain number of years in exchange for education in the trade and eventually being set up as a journeyman. IIRC 7 years was the average, entered into around age 12.

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