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Zuul the Cat
Dec 24, 2006

Grimey Drawer
I'm starting to get back into 40k and i'm in the middle of putting together a Adeptus Mechanicus force.

I was trying to find the most current main rule book for 40k on GW's site, but all I could find is that triple book one. Is the main rule book now really $165? Is there just the rule book that I'm missing?

Edit: I am dumb and was looking at Australia prices. However, my question still stands. Do they sell just the rules? I don't need/want the art book.

Zuul the Cat fucked around with this message at 18:37 on Jan 5, 2017

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Zuul the Cat
Dec 24, 2006

Grimey Drawer

berzerkmonkey posted:

Get the mini rulebook off of Ebay. The other two hardcovers are fluff.

Also, a new edition is coming this year.

Awesome, thanks. I'll probably just wait to get the rule book then if they're coming out with a new one later this year.

Zuul the Cat
Dec 24, 2006

Grimey Drawer
It's been a couple years since I've played 40k (i think the last edition I played was 5th).

I've since gotten back into it and started building a Cult Mechanicus force.

Here's the 3 Skitarii Rangers I've finished so far.


Zuul the Cat
Dec 24, 2006

Grimey Drawer
With all the talk about formations, this is a good time for me to jump in with a rules question.

I haven't played in a couple editions, but I've started collecting AdMech and Skitarii. What I have so far is:

Rangers unit
Vanguard unit
Ironstrider Ballistarii
Sicarian Infiltrators
Onager Dunecrawler
Tech-Priest Dominus

My question is that when I last played, army structure was one HQ and 2 troop, etc.

With the units I have, can I run the Tech-Priest Dominus as my HQ and the rest of the guys as their respective units? or would that be an illegal list?

Zuul the Cat
Dec 24, 2006

Grimey Drawer
PETA has asked Games Workshop to stop making models with fur on them.

Zuul the Cat
Dec 24, 2006

Grimey Drawer
Playing Kill Team for the first time this weekend. Can you guys let me know if i'm missing any rules? I'm fairly certain this list is legal.

Kill Team Skitarii

Ranger Squad (4 + Alpha) - 65
+3 Rangers (11) - 33

+Omnispex - 11
(Indomitable Specialist: Fearless)

+Plasma Caliver - 30
(Guerilla Specialist: Infiltrate)

+Transuranic Arquebus - 25
(Weapon Specialist: Master-Craftsman)

Ranger Alpha
Arc Maul - 20
Arc Pistol - 30

Total - 193

Zuul the Cat
Dec 24, 2006

Grimey Drawer

TKIY posted:

That's only 8 bodies in 200pts.

Go more dudes with less toys.

I will next time we play. I'm still waiting for my Start Collecting! Skitarii box to get here from the warstore, so this is the only unit of troops I have at the moment.

The only other stuff i have are Sicarian Infiltrators and a Ballistarius.

I mostly just wanted to know if I took anything that wasn't allowed.

Zuul the Cat
Dec 24, 2006

Grimey Drawer

JesusIsTehCool posted:

Maybe it's because I knew what I was getting going in, but I have really enjoyed building, painting, and playing with my Nids. The one exception is the one time my friend brought some BS Tau formation and killed 2/3rds of my army before I got to a turn. We have told him he can't bring formations anymore.

Right before I stopped playing for a while, I had a Dark Eldar army. My friend had a Nids army and had almost all of his squads wiped out as I flew around him shooting with him tons of twin-linked poison shots.

I stopped playing after that and he sold off his Tyranids.

Zuul the Cat
Dec 24, 2006

Grimey Drawer

Proletariat Beowulf posted:

...Tyranids are canonically immune to poisons.

Was this an actual rule back during 5th edition? I wasn't sure back then when we played. He never said anything, and I didn't know their rules.

I mean, it was just a game between friends, so it's not like he lost a tournament or something.

Zuul the Cat
Dec 24, 2006

Grimey Drawer
I've been playing around with the AdMech forces I have (/will have) available for the immediate future. I've tweaked my list to this:

Skitarii Maniple

2 ranger squads
2 vanguard squads
Ballistarius
Onager Dunecrawler
Sicarian Infiltrators

My question lies with the special weapons for the troop choices - should I stick with just Radium Carbines across the board for the Vanguard, or throw in Plasma Calivers?

The rangers will have 4 Transauranic Rifles and 1 Plasma Caliver between them.

I'll primarily be playing against Eldar, Imperial Guard and Necrons.

Zuul the Cat
Dec 24, 2006

Grimey Drawer

SRM posted:

Never had any trouble with resin and superglue. I use Krazy Glue in those little tubes with the needle where you punch out the tip and they work just fine.

It took what felt like forever, but I've painted up my first Crusader squad:








GREAT job. These look great!

Zuul the Cat
Dec 24, 2006

Grimey Drawer
So I have a small Chaos force - specifically the group that came with Dark Vengeance.

Is this viable with the current edition? What would I need to get to run this force? The basic CSM codex?

I wouldn't want to go pick up the codex if I couldn't do anything with these guys.

For clarity, i have:

1 Helbrute
1 Chaos Lord
1 unit of chosen ravagers (6)
19 Cultists (i must have lost one shooter.)

Zuul the Cat
Dec 24, 2006

Grimey Drawer

TheChirurgeon posted:

The standard Chaos Space Marine codex is what you need. Though if you have the Dark Vengeance booklet, it has all the rules you need to get started with those models already.

It's a viable force--your HQ is the Chaos lord, your Helbrute is an Elite. Normally your Chosen would also be elites, but because you lost 1 cultist, you have to run them as a troop choice (not a big deal), and the 19 cultists as the other troop choice (since they come in groups of 10-20).

Thanks for all the advice, guys!

I'll probably just pick up that one single cultist and run them as two squads.

I have the mini rulebook from the box set. Is that the one you mean?

Zuul the Cat
Dec 24, 2006

Grimey Drawer

Texmo posted:

Not the mini rulebook - though that's also very useful. There should be some leaflets with stats on - Like This - that will save you from picking up the Chaos Codex just yet. I'd hold off buying the Chaos book at all at this point too; it's well overdue for an update, and you wouldn't want to buy it just to have it made redundant three months later.

I ended up just picking up a spare cultist to round out the force.

Thanks! Looking forward to painting these guys after I finish up my AdMech.

Zuul the Cat
Dec 24, 2006

Grimey Drawer
Crossposting my completed Techpriest Dominus.

I took people's advice and drybrushed the base, but it ended up lighter than I wanted, so I hit it with P3 Red Ink. I like it much more now.

Zuul the Cat
Dec 24, 2006

Grimey Drawer
Is anyone planning on going to the Inner Circle: Gathering Storm I event at their local GW?

I stopped in Saturday to grab the packet and info for it. Manager told me it's 1 HQ and 2 Troop, 300 points max. Since I run Skitarii and Cult Mechanicus, he said i could take a tech priest and 2 Skitarii units.

I'm taking:

Tech-Priest Dominus.............................105
+ Phosphor Serpenta.................................5

Skitarii Vanguard......................................55
+ 2 Vanguard............................................18
Alpha
Power Sword............................................15
Radium Pistol.............................................5

Skitarii Rangers........................................65
+ Plasma Caliver......................................30

Total....................................................... 298

First time actually playing 7th and with my AdMech. I'm excited!

Zuul the Cat
Dec 24, 2006

Grimey Drawer

PierreTheMime posted:

The Dominus is a pretty brutal HQ for a 300pt game. It's cool that they're letting you run this, since the two are technically two different codices (though they totally should be inter-compatible). Good luck!

That's how I feel. I didn't research it enough before I dove back in, and I'm kinda annoyed I need to get two boxes of Kataphrons. I'm hoping that sometime in the future they'll just merge them into one book and add some transport.

I had a hard time choosing between the Volkite Blaster or the Eradication Beamer, but eventually with with Volkite since I primarily play against Guard and Eldar.

It'll be interesting to see how much he stomps on Saturday.

Zuul the Cat
Dec 24, 2006

Grimey Drawer
All you people with your cheap rents! I pay $1440 for a 1 bedroom 1 bathroom apartment.

Zuul the Cat
Dec 24, 2006

Grimey Drawer
I just bought Belisarius Cawl off eBay for my AdMech force.

Where uh...where do I get the rules for him?

Zuul the Cat
Dec 24, 2006

Grimey Drawer
Crossposting my finished Dunecrawler:

Finished up my Dunecrawler for the most part. I have some basing material that's coming in the mail that i'll be adding to it.

Overall, I'm pretty happy with how this turned out. I hit all the cables with a gloss varnish so they shine like cords.

(I thought about taking advice on here and painting the rims black, but I still like my turquoise rims.)







And completed with transfers



I have a lightbox coming in the mail as well, so hopefully i'll be able to snag better pictures of my stuff.

Zuul the Cat
Dec 24, 2006

Grimey Drawer
Poll time for what I should buy next for my AdMech:

I currently have:

Belisarius Cawl
Techpriest Dominus
Vanguard Squads (x3)
Ranger Squad
Sicarian Infiltrators
Onager Dunecrawler
Ironstrider Ballistarius

My next purchase is either going to be 2x Kataphron units, or an Imperial Knight. (I'm building to eventually have a War Convocation force.)

Zuul the Cat
Dec 24, 2006

Grimey Drawer
My eBay lots ended up selling for more than I thought they would, so I decided to pick up 2 units of Kataphrons and a unit of Kastelan Robots.

How should I kit out the Kataphrons? Run them as Destroyers or Breachers, and if i do, which weapons?

Also, really excited to paint up those space bots. I love how big and dumb they look.

Zuul the Cat
Dec 24, 2006

Grimey Drawer
Does anyone know what comes in a Death Company Strike Force box? I know it shows 5 assault marines and 10 tactical, but can you make the entire force with jump packs?

Zuul the Cat
Dec 24, 2006

Grimey Drawer

SRM posted:

Wanna hear me geek the gently caress out over a few of my favorite models? I do in this video, where I also talk up what makes them work so well, and why they inspired me to start the armies I did:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HYr2vuAZ-qg

This was fun. Subbed!

A single model is how I start my armies. The Techpriest Dominus sold me on AdMech, and Lemartes has me sold on a death company force (at a later date.)

Zuul the Cat
Dec 24, 2006

Grimey Drawer

SRM posted:

Thank you! And I'm gonna go out on a limb and guess that was the more recent Lemartes model and not the original...


Haha, it was the more recent one. Although i will say, i kinda like this one's super slick dance moves pose. The current one looks a little lazy.

Zuul the Cat
Dec 24, 2006

Grimey Drawer
I don't want to hear any complaints about Robute not having a transport until AdMech gets at least a basic troop transport. *folds arms*

Zuul the Cat
Dec 24, 2006

Grimey Drawer
I'm nearly done with my AdMech force. Picking up 2 units of Kataphrons and 2 more Dunecrawlers later this week.

That will let me field this list:

Primary Detachment
Holy Requisitioner (410)

Tech­Priest Dominus (110)
Artificer armour; Power axe; Mechadendrite harness; Scryerskull; Volkite blaster; Phosphor serpenta; Refractor field;

3x ­ Kataphron Breachers (150)
3x Kataphron Breacher (50pt.); Kataphron breacherplate; Heavy arc rifle; Arc claw;

3x ­ Kataphron Breachers (150)
3x Kataphron Breacher (50pt.); Kataphron breacherplate; Heavy arc rifle; Arc claw;

Secondary Detachment
Skitarii (Combined arms detachment) (1434)

HQ [ 1 ]
Belisarius Cawl (200)
Arc scourge; Master­crafted power axe; Mechadendrite Hive; Scryerskull; Refractor field; Solar atomizer;

Elites [ 1 ]
5x ­ Sicarian Infiltrators (185)
1x Infiltrators princeps (45pt.); Sicarian battle armour; Power sword; Stubcarbine;
4x Sicarian Infiltrator (35pt.); Sicarian battle armour; Stubcarbine; Power sword;

Troops [ 4 ]
10x ­ Skitarii Vanguard (110)
1x Vanguard Alpha (19pt.); Skitarii war plate; Radium carbine;
8x Skitarii Vanguard (9pt.); Skitarii war plate; Radium carbine;
1x Skitarii Vanguard (19pt.); Skitarii war plate; Radium carbine; Omnispex;

10x ­ Skitarii Vanguard (190)
1x Vanguard Alpha (39pt.); Skitarii war plate; Radium pistol; Power sword;
6x Skitarii Vanguard (9pt.); Skitarii war plate; Radium carbine;
1x Skitarii Vanguard (19pt.); Skitarii war plate; Radium carbine; Omnispex;
2x Skitarii Vanguard (39pt.); Skitarii war plate; Plasma caliver;

10x ­ Skitarii Vanguard (155)
1x Vanguard Alpha (19pt.); Skitarii war plate; Radium carbine;
5x Skitarii Vanguard (9pt.); Skitarii war plate; Radium carbine;
1x Skitarii Vanguard (19pt.); Skitarii war plate; Radium carbine; Omnispex;
3x Skitarii Vanguard (24pt.); Skitarii war plate; Arc rifle;

9x ­ Skitarii Rangers (199)
1x Ranger Alpha (51pt.); Skitarii war plate; Arc pistol; Arc maul;
5x Skitarii Ranger (11pt.); Skitarii war plate; Galvanic rifle;
1x Skitarii Ranger (21pt.); Skitarii war plate; Galvanic rifle; Omnispex;
2x Skitarii Ranger (36pt.); Skitarii war plate; Transuranic arquebus;

Heavy support [ 3 ]
Onager Dunecrawlers (115)
1x Onager Dunecrawler (115pt.); Broad spectrum data­tether; Emanatus force field; Searchlight; Eradication beamer; Cognis manipulator;

1x Onager Dunecrawler (140pt.); Broad spectrum data­tether; Emanatus force field; Searchlight; Neutron laser; Cognis heavy stubber; Cognis manipulator;

1x Onager Dunecrawler (140pt.); Broad spectrum data­tether; Emanatus force field; Searchlight; Neutron laser; Cognis heavy stubber; Cognis manipulator;

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Total: 1844/1850


Projects for after that are going to be painting up the Chaos side of Dark Vengeance (probably Tzeentch). I don't think I'll ever field them or grow a Chaos army, but I can't seem to get rid of them, so I may as well paint them.

After that, I'm planning on doing a Space Marine army. I've played them in the past, but I've got a hankering to do a small SM army. Probably Ultramarines, although i'm also looking at Death Company.

Zuul the Cat
Dec 24, 2006

Grimey Drawer

Der Waffle Mous posted:

Basically grav weapons are made for going after things with good armor saves regardless of toughness. So you're wounding TEQs on 2s or, say, a wraithknight on 3+. The other thing that makes them especially notable is that they have a really high volume of fire. Marine grav cannons, which we're mainly talking about, fire 5 shots stationary or 3 shots at half range on the move, that let you reroll your to wound. Basically the "downsides", as they are, are their cost and that they have a fairly short range that drops to half when you move. The ideal platforms are the units that let you fire weapons as if you were stationary, hence grav cannons on centurions, guns on bikes, the aforementioned Kataphrons, or on devastators in a Skyhammer formation.

Against vehicles they're somewhat unreliable weapons that *really* hurt if a hit connects. You're hoping for a 6 which immobilizes the target and removes a hull point. Marine cannons, again, get to reroll failed attempts but you're more or less relying on the volume of fire to get the result you want.


In the case of Mechanicus its worth keeping in mind they don't get a BS boost canticle without Cawl, rather rerolls of 1/2/3 depending on how many cult units you have.

When you do take Cawl he can grant your army up to +3 BS for a turn and makes the grav kataprons seem absolutely filthy.

I'm thinking of just loading up all 6 of my Kataphrons with heavy grav cannons. I'm going to run them as a requisitioner squad with a Dominus, and Cawl will be in my army. 36 shots and not scattering when deep striking will wreck pretty much anything i point them at. I was debating making 3 Heavy Arc Rifles and 3 Heavy Grav Cannons, but i think with Cawl in the army, it'll work out just fine.

Zuul the Cat
Dec 24, 2006

Grimey Drawer

Der Waffle Mous posted:

(un)fortunately the holy requisitioner uses breachers not destroyers so your non-scattering deep strike shenanigans use torsion cannons instead of grav.

Oh poo poo, good looking out. I'm glad I didn't build them first. I'll probably still build destroyers with the grav-cannons and just run it as a CAD, sticking them in the back.

Zuul the Cat
Dec 24, 2006

Grimey Drawer

Row-bootay? Am I the only one that is surprised by this?

Zuul the Cat
Dec 24, 2006

Grimey Drawer

SRM posted:

To be fair he's been practicing for 10,000 years.

Painted up some Neophytes for my Black Templars. The transfers hosed up a little bit but I'm real happy with their helmets:







And the whole squad:


These own. I love the helms on em, very fitting.

Zuul the Cat
Dec 24, 2006

Grimey Drawer
Is anyone going to the Gathering Storm II event on the 25th? My local shop has the event posted, but the only info listed is: Arena HQ unit battles (200 point limit) & Gathering Storm Echos of War. Earn the second Gathering Storm event card and points the Inner Circle!

I have Belisarius Cawl (and i'm actually painting him now. Good god what a monster of a model.) so I'll probably bring him, but i'm a little worried about getting stomped right away.

Zuul the Cat
Dec 24, 2006

Grimey Drawer

SteelMentor posted:

Think every store was given free reign to come up with the events outside of a basic guideline. My store's running a multiplayer 750pt per player game, with added bonus of including a free Character from one of the Trivumulate boxes as long as it's fully painted.

Still haven't seen this Inner Circle stuff myself though, wonder if it's just a regional thing.

Also ditto with Cawl, I'm most of the way through him but I've hit a serious wall detailing all those little pipes, tubes and lights all over him.

This makes sense. I'm right in between two GW's, and the other one isn't running an event at all for it. They're just having a 10 man squad painting competition.

Post pictures of your Cawl when you're done!

Zuul the Cat
Dec 24, 2006

Grimey Drawer
*sigh* I hope the army I literally just built (and am currently building) after being out of the hobby for a few years doesn't become invalid in a few months.

Zuul the Cat
Dec 24, 2006

Grimey Drawer

NTRabbit posted:

What army have you been making?

Skitarii/Cult Mech. I know it's a relatively new army, so I think i'm safe. But if they're going to have Cawl start pumping out Bigger Space Marines, then I'm not so sure they'll expand the Mars faction.

Zuul the Cat
Dec 24, 2006

Grimey Drawer

Decorus posted:

All this stuff about new editions and reboots is really sad. I'm going to show you some really chill dudes who don't care about stuff like that.

I finished my first squad of AdMech gun servitors. Here they are, with and without guns. (I really need to take the time to get some pictures in the mornings when I have some actual light)




I said I was going to paint the guns while listening to the latest Badcast, but I instead got to listen to a buddy of mine complaining about how awful Eldar are these days, sorry. It was only a little bit bad. I guess I'll listen to the Badcast while working on the other squad.

I really like the yellow on these.

Zuul the Cat
Dec 24, 2006

Grimey Drawer
Anyone have experience putting together Kataphron Destroyers or Breachers? I'm starting to think I got a bad kit.

Literally every single piece in this kit has a tremendous amount of mold lines. It's driving me crazy.

Zuul the Cat
Dec 24, 2006

Grimey Drawer
Since getting back into 40k last month, my collection has gone from "i'm going to just get a small force to play kill team with" to "I have so much stuff to assemble and paint it's overwhelming."

That didn't take very long.

Also, I very quickly outgrew my Feldherr 60 miniature case. Time to upgrade. The general recommendation is KR, right?

Zuul the Cat
Dec 24, 2006

Grimey Drawer
Mostly finished my 6 Kataphron Destroyers. Gotta touch up some stuff (dry brush the mud on the tracks, drill the heavy stubber barrel.)

I'm pretty happy with them. I was mostly going for speed.

Zuul the Cat fucked around with this message at 16:10 on Mar 14, 2017

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Zuul the Cat
Dec 24, 2006

Grimey Drawer
Does anyone know if Belisarius counts toward the unit activation count for Canticles of the Omnissiah?

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