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It's cool that Brazil shipped off 10 goals in their last two matches, I doubt any other semi finalist ever went out of the world cup in such a humiliating fashion, and they are the hosts to boot. Really incredible, and to think that ahead of this world cup most people thought Brazil had one of the best defenses in the world.
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Jul 13, 2014 07:25
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vyelkin posted:No one who knew anything about football thought a defence containing Marcelo, David Luiz, and Dani Alves would be one of the best in the world at preventing goals. Marcelo had a really good year at Madrid, mostly offensively but he wasn't a defensive liability at any point, Alves hasn't had a good year but he was considered the best fullback in the world for like half a decade, people expected him to step up. And Luiz? well, yeah anyone who's seen him play knows he's a huge joker but he played in the best defense in the premier league this past season, and many people think he's some sort of prodigy. And let us not forget Silva who pretty much everyone thinks is the best center back in the world alongside Kompany. Yes right now it's easy to say they're all a bunch of jokers but ahead of the tournament it looked like a very solid line-up.
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Jul 13, 2014 07:36
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vyelkin posted:Alves and Marcelo are good defensively when they're in teams that compensate for their tendency to go pretend they're wingers. They have good defensive skills in that they can make tackles or interceptions when they have to, but their positioning and mentality has always been suspect because they are so attack-minded. They can be very effective players at the club level, when they have managers who surround them with good defensive players and adjust the team's strategy around the fact that Alves or Marcelo will be bombing forward at every opportunity. Scolari didn't do that. Instead he just let them both go attack all the time and didn't really bother drilling the team on how to defend when they're the ones under pressure. I know Luiz didn't start this year, I know he's a garbageman, I'm actually a chels fan. But basically read what you just said, you had 3/4 defenders with the potential to form a great defensive line up in the right system. When you look at the squad sheet before the tournament, or heck, before the germany match even, it would seem like a super solid defense, and indeed most pundits expected Brazil's defense (and midfield) to form a very solid foundation.
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Jul 13, 2014 09:08
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Not a single player in their defensive lineup plays in a club that plays 3-5-2 or any formation with wingbacks yet they're all great performers for their clubs (asides from Luiz). In fact, none of them actually play for a team that plays more than two defensive midfielders either. So... you're wrong? The notion that a defensive line up consisting of Marcelo, Silva and Alves is weak and just cannot work competently and that this should be 'obvious to anyone who knows anything about football' is plain bullshit, it's a strong defensive line-up. Marcelo and Alves both play in teams where their counterparts are also offensive fullbacks, so it's not like them playing on the same team is somehow not-workable at all. Asides from the germans and maybe Italy, there wasn't a single team in this tournament that had a better defensive line-up, that Brazil's defense would perform so poorly was not a foregone conclusion before the semi-final.
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Jul 13, 2014 10:45
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Healbot posted:In other words: you must've missed the 10 goals Brazil conceded between the quarter-finals and now. Their defensive organization is built solely on Silva and Gustavo trying to create the illusion of four men at the back while the rest act as headless chicken. I never said that they performed well. In other words: Perhaps you should try reading a post if you're gonna respond to it.
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Jul 13, 2014 10:56
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vyelkin posted:You're really missing the point of what I and others are saying. In their club sides, Alves, Marcelo, and Luiz get systems built around their tendencies to get forward, by surrounding them with other players who stay back and play more defensively. At Barcelona, for example, Alves and Alba both bomb forward so Busquets drops back in between the two centre backs and they push out wide to cover the space. Nah I'm not, you're just analyzing the defensive line-up from a post-mortem perspective, quite obtusely tbqh. If systems exist that can accommodate these players, and Brazil has the players to play those systems then it is -wrong- to say that anyone who looked at the players called up by scolari should have easily known that their defense would be farcical ahead of the tournament, which is exactly what you've said. It's not like Brazil doesn't have any defensive midfielders who are capable of performing the same role Bosquets does. We're not arguing whether brazil played like poo poo and defended in a comical fashion or not, we're arguing whether it was "obvious to anyone who knows anything about football" before the tournament. And the simple answer is that no, it wasn't. Once again, I'm not saying Luiz is not a retard and personally I expected him to do make some defensive blunders which cost Brazil a few goals, and I alluded to him being a clown several times. This is getting too boring and D&D-esque, the simple fact is that many people, including some who do know "poo poo" about football, thought that Brazil's defense was actually one if its better qualities. The majority of critique before they got smashed by the Germans was at the strikers Scolari chose to summon.
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