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Vehementi posted:super contrived situations? What super contrived situations? :/
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twitter and bisted posted:I've avoided this thread for fear of spoilers so I apologize since this was probably asked before. The fight between Obyren and the Mountain was a tie right? So why was Tyrion found guilty? Or is that how it works? It wasn't a tie. Crushing Oberyn's skull required Gregor to be alive.
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Jun 3, 2014 16:33
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Vehementi posted:"Ok ok check it out, so Frey wants to kill this guy, so he's going to invite them to his place under other pretences yeah? But wait hold on, he's not going to kill anyone at first in the easy ambush circumstances, he'll instead break bread to ensure that everybody in the land hates him subsequently: they're going to have a super long wedding first to give the Starks ample opportunity to uncover the plot, but all the guards, see, are going to perfectly keep the secret and not hint anything, but still be able to act with perfect synchroneity and knowledge of everything, and also all the Stark guards are going to be away and in position to ambush all of them at once, and we're going to play the lannister song first to warn everyone poetically, and and and ..." + getting the writer for Scream to write the "mountain comes back from choking on his own blood" scene Yeah guest right completely nullifies this wall of shite.
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Jun 3, 2014 16:53
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Vehementi posted:People in that land respect a ruse wedding where a house is massacred? They made a huge loving deal about how Frey's house's name is ruined forever for breaking the guest rule. It seems super far fetched anyone would be convinced that this wedding was legitimate, not under duress, or not invalidated for a dozen reasons like "they killed all the guests", much less care about any claim House Frey makes from now until the end of time. a) A wedding is a legally and religiously binding contract in that world, and only a big rear end pimp Maester like Pycelle can annul it. b) They had the Lannister's backing, and would never have attempted it otherwise. It's not that complicated, it's not contrived, and if you're going to poo poo all over the story you could at least either read the books or pay proper attention to the show.
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Jun 3, 2014 19:18
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Grim Up North posted:If the book readers in this thread are to be trusted GRRM didn't write anything Sansa-related beyond the moon door drop or so? That's not really true. There's certainly less of her after that point, but she's still part of the story and building up to something.
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Jun 4, 2014 12:33
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Max posted:Honestly, after next season, there may not be anymore need for two threads. Pfft, the spoiler thread already has enough people who don't know their Beesbury from their Westerling.
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Jun 4, 2014 15:38
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Kasonic posted:So what in the show has already occurred in AFFC/DWD? Won't poaching from future books mean we'll end up skipping over certain arcs for long periods of time? Disclaimer: Any of these characters could die at any point, or they might live forever. (Not really any spoilers but just in case) Theon and Bran are the main ones. There are a few elements of Dany's story too (ASoS ends very soon after she takes Meereen, although kicking out Jorah is in the book). Brienne shouldn't be on her quest yet but she hasn't really 'done' much of her potential AFFC material in the show yet. Sansa's ASoS story ends immediately after the moon door incident, so the last episode was basically AFFC stuff but changed pretty heavily.
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Jun 5, 2014 18:48
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4000 Dollar Suit posted:certain character scenes being from book 4 or even book 5 letting me know they pretty much have plot armor now. That's not true at all. Any of the characters who are into their AFFC or ADWD stories can die, why wouldn't they be able to? It's not like the timeline will be completely thrown off if x character dies before y character's AFFC story starts.
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Jun 5, 2014 19:50
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4000 Dollar Suit posted:such and such is still alive in book 5, guess I don't need to worry about this part where said character is made to seem like they're about to die. pretty simple. But their story is ahead, so why could their death not also happen sooner?
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Jun 5, 2014 19:54
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Bobo the Red posted:Yeah I almost think Tyrion is too delightful. The way they had Sansa and Shae speak of him at their respective recent trials (and how the general public reacts to him) was as if he was significantly more repugnant than he is. You're supposed to accept that even the nobles think of "the Imp" with revulsion, but it feels really disjointed, because Tyrion loving rules. I think the general ignorance and dislike people in that universe have towards dwarves/anyone different, as well as the fact that Tyrion often refuses to play by everyone else's rules and etiquette, gives people enough excuse to assume the worst of him. The rich hate him for not reflecting and conforming to their oval office lifestyles, and the poor hate him because they're uneducated enough to believe that he's monstrous based on rumour and reputation alone. His actual personality doesn't come into it. It's not like he's that different in the books. He's basically a lot more deformed and sometimes swaps charm for bitterness. A lot of his dialogue is word for word though (moreso than most characters anyway).
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Jun 7, 2014 17:51
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thathonkey posted:Well it certainly took long enough. So you'd be in favour of cutting Dany, Jon, Bran, Arya and pretty much everyone other than the dead Starks, the Lannisters, the Baratheons and the Greyjoys? That would have been shite, sir.
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Jun 7, 2014 21:28
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thathonkey posted:killing off its best characters just for a shocking/impactful scene which are becoming increasingly trite. This too, is wrong.
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Jun 7, 2014 21:55
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