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Maple Leaf
Aug 24, 2010

Let'en my post flyen true
I have never once played a 5 panel game and I am very jealous of everyone that has. The chances of finding one near me are slim to none, especially now that arcades are as "vintage" as they are today. No doubt I'd be terrible at them, but I hope I'll get the chance someday.

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Daunte Vicknabb
Feb 22, 2005

You are already dead
You've never checked Pump Haven to see if there are any reasonably local machines?

There are also usually a few on sale pretty cheapish on Ebay/CL at any given time, and a few delusional people who think their poo poo is worth several thousand dollars.

Professional Razer
Oct 4, 2012

Daunte Vicknabb posted:

You've never checked Pump Haven to see if there are any reasonably local machines?

There are also usually a few on sale pretty cheapish on Ebay/CL at any given time, and a few delusional people who think their poo poo is worth several thousand dollars.
Looked at Pump Haven- that's actually a nice detailed listing. I've been using Zenius -I- vanisher's arcade location database for the most part. It covers more games, with an emphasis on music games and especially DDR/ITG (it's basically the main public Bemani forum that I know).

Also, this LP is pretty neat. I'm not great at dancing games myself, but I've been getting back into rhythm games over the past two years or so, from the Bemani side of things this time. There's still a bit of an ITG/DDR community here in Kansas, with people still making simfiles for the cabs nearby.

Spudd
Nov 27, 2007

Protect children from "Safe Schools" social engineering. Shame!

I thought I was finally beginning to understand how to read these charts and then you decided to put mods on. That was nuts. :psyduck:

Maple Leaf
Aug 24, 2010

Let'en my post flyen true
:siren: Doubles: The Game, No 1 Nation, ROM-eo & Juli8, Hip Hop Jam



:siren: Advanced Tutorial 2: Crossovers/Candlesteps, Hands/Bracketing, and Why Hip Hop Jam DX is So Difficult.

Artist Spotlight:



Copied and pasted from Wikipedia: "Crispy was a Danish bubblegum group consisting of Mads B.B. Krog, Christian Møller and lead vocalist Mette Christensen. Mette passed away in 2000, and was replaced with vocalist Gry Bay. The project was renamed, and it was called XPY. The group officially disbanded in 2001."

They produced only one album, called The Game, when they first formed way back in the sepia-toned times of 1997. They were a pretty upbeat yet perhaps childish group, making songs about beaches and dinosaurs and videogames. Their best-known singles are called Licky Licky (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cURnpjT4Z-M) and another single in 1999 called In & Out (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IaLXyAS_wt0). They reproduced their album for some other languages, and the Japanese version even had a pair of otherwide unreleased songs called Bad Girls and Happy King.

They had plans to release a second album, and in fact they had half of the thing finished and ready to go, but Mette's loss against cancer caused them to scrap the whole thing. Demos of songs for their unreleased second album were recorded, but to this day remain unreleased and likely never will be.

Sources/Links:

http://www.bubblegumdancer.com/project.php?id=1 - I'm not certain if this is their actual homepage, or a detailed fanpage, but most of their biography can be found here, including the names of the demos for their rumoured second album.
http://www.discogs.com/artist/36425-Crispy - Their discography. Note that this includes songs by XPY.
http://grooveshark.com/#!/search/song?q=xpy - You can listen to a handle of XPY's songs on this website.



This was the other artist, besides Inurvise, that gave me so much trouble last time I searched for her. But apparently I just wasn't trying hard enough.

Full name Annette Ducharme. Born in Windsor, Ontario, one of thirteen(!!) children, and left home at an early age towards the Canadian west coast, attracted to the seas and mountains. She saw some success as a performer, but is best known as a songwriter for other performers, including acts like Tom Cochrane. Her song Nicotine (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bFOk19BLRH8), written in her first album Talented Girl, was used in a handful of television shows and movies, including the Oscar-nominateed film "Thirteen" at the Sundance Film Festival. She's even done some live shows in Africa.

Anet has two songs in In The Groove, and interestingly enough, No 1 Nation doesn't pop up in any discography, but Normal shows up in her album Tortured. More than that, In The Groove had a release on the PS2 and the PC - the PS2 version had both of the songs in it, but the PC version did not. I don't want to assume anything, but my best guess would be that RoXoR's contract with Anet's label expired before the PC version released.

Sources/Links:

http://www.anetmusic.com/main.php - Her homepage. It has one of those front-door pages with a flash player that plays music automatically, but this link should take you past that. It contains everything about her, from biographies to discographies and pictures of her live events.
http://www.allmusic.com/artist/annette-ducharme-mn0000488569 - More information and a second biography.



Nina Anderson makes it a little difficult to search for her due to her common name. She's also pretty elusive - the best I could find was a Soundclick profile that had quite possibly all of her tracks, available for free to listen and download. Written there is a biography that says: "Nina makes dance music for the happy dance crowds of the world. Enticing melodies and cool grooves unite in her unique neo-synthpop dance techno music." And then a link leading to the page you're already on.

Luckily enough, it turns out that archive.org actually has a bit of a page on her, but all it really says is that she learned to play the piano at ten years old; she took piano classes for thirteen; and her husband was her producer. She enjoyed some pretty stellar success at mp3.com, but, like Digital Explosion, she floundered once that site lost its lustre and was never able (or didn't make the effort) to return to her glory.

Sources/Links:

http://www.ninagoddess.com/ - her Soundlick profile.
https://archive.org/details/iuma-nina__goddess_of_dance - Internet Archive to the rescue! In it is a single song of hers that is not on Soundlick.



Indiggo consists of Romanian-American twin sisters Gabriela and Mihaela Modorcea. They're professional actresses, reality television show personalities, writers, and composers. Mihaela is older than Gabriela by five minutes. As a duo, they've been active since 2000, and are in fact still in the game: they (including their mother and father) became American citizens in October 2013, and they performed The Star-Spangled Banner at their own ceremony.

They released a single called La La La (http://youtu.be/a7Wb43kjAZ8) in December 2011, which is notable because it was sampled in Jay-Z and Kanye West's 2011 album Watch The Throne.

In 2008, they qualified for the top 40 semifinals on season 3 of America's Got Talent. They got booed on the stage, and judge Piers Morgan called them "the worst dancers and worst singers in the entire competition," and the New York Times called them "[the competition's] punching bag." Tough crowd!

Gabreila acted in the movie National Lampoon's Van Wilder: The Rise of Taj (2006), as "Taj's sister"; she also appeared in the episode "Hothouse" of Law & Order: Special Victims Unit".

Mihaela published the volume of poetry called, after translation, "Rage and Love", which was translated by her sister. They are currently in production for their Broadway musical "Wicked Clone", based on Mihaela's to-be-released "magic realism" novel of the same name. The musical is written, composed, choreographed and performed by the twins. The first version of the play was presented in June 2012 at Ensemble Studio Theatre in New York City.

Look, there's a shitload of information on these gals, and I could probably fill this post twice over with nothing but them. They're a talented, dedicated pair, and if you're interested in learning about them, here are some links:

Sources/Links:

http://www.indiggotwins.com/ - their official website. Plays music automatically, so turn down your speakers.
https://myspace.com/twinsindiggo - their Myspace.
https://www.facebook.com/TwinsIndiggo - They have a Facebook too!
https://twitter.com/IndiggoTwins - Whoa, hit 'em up on Twitter!
http://www.discogs.com/artist/1301606-Indiggo - Some of their discographies, but I'm pretty sure this list is incomplete.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indiggo - Have a Wikipedia article, I heard that's a reputable source.

Olive Branch
May 26, 2010

There is no wealth like knowledge, no poverty like ignorance.

Fun nerd fact: whenever I do planks at the gym, I use The Game to keep track of time, as it's exactly 2 minutes long, and I always aim to hit 120 seconds.

ROM-eo and Juli-8 was also one of my first "hard" songs mastered, barless.

EDIT: Did no one really think to link this yet?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZQs83V-uAsE

Olive Branch fucked around with this message at 23:54 on Jul 9, 2014

Glazius
Jul 22, 2007

Hail all those who are able,
any mouse can,
any mouse will,
but the Guard prevail.

Clapping Larry
Do people ever play doubles as actual doubles, or is it just extra challenge for a single player?

Olive Branch
May 26, 2010

There is no wealth like knowledge, no poverty like ignorance.

Doubles is for single player, but there is a mode for two players sharing the two pads, meant to be a co-op type of chart. The mode is called Couples. I found that kind of cute, in a "oh Japan" kind of way.

DanDee
Jun 2, 2011
http://youtu.be/E9R_phSy26o

Couples charts are neat, but as far as I know, there are no official ones.

Ryoga
Sep 10, 2003
Eternally Lost
Couples charts are pretty fun if you can get a decent partner to play with. Otherwise a lack of spacial awareness will cause many feet stepped on and hilarious body collisions.

shameless plug: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Us2PnvQ3xFQ

Olive Branch
May 26, 2010

There is no wealth like knowledge, no poverty like ignorance.

Those couples are, of course, preplanned! Most charts keep you to your side, don't they?

Ryoga
Sep 10, 2003
Eternally Lost
With some clever scripting and a custom arrow skin some doubles charts are set up to have each arrow as a specific color. In couple charts red arrows are meant for player one and blue arrows are meant for player 2.

Professional Razer
Oct 4, 2012
Building on the above post, Pump it Up has couples charts called "Double Performance", with red arrows for P1 and blue for P2. I've seen a few of the local players playing them, and it's ridiculous how many times they cross over each other. Here's one for one of the songs in ITG1, Xuxa.

Professional Razer fucked around with this message at 11:14 on Jul 17, 2014

Maple Leaf
Aug 24, 2010

Let'en my post flyen true
:siren:Singles: While Tha Rekkid Spinz, Kiss Me Red, Driving Force Classical, Charlene



Artist Spotlight:



See: Kid Whatever



Missing Heart is a much older group than I could have realized: it began with a vocalist named Lyane Leigh all the way back in 1994. Missing Heart would be 20 years old this year, except they disbanded in 2002.

They sound American or maybe British, but they're actually German. They debuted with the single Wild Angels but they only started getting attention with their 1996 single Charlene.

Their face of the group (and I think she's the same woman in the background image for Charlene) is Miss Manu - on top of the group being German, she was actually born in Hong Kong. Despite being part of Missing Heart's image, she was never actually a singer.

The project name "Missing Heart" was inspired by the movie Missing, starring Jack Reynolds, followed with some gobbledygook about how the word "missing" goes hand-in-hand with their album Mystery, and how the word "miss" can also mean "I miss you" in a romantic sense.

Their only album released was Mystery back in 2000, and it was only released in Japan. In 2001, they released a single called Tears In May, then they did nothing until 2002 when they disbanded. You can still find Mystery on eBay if you're lucky, but it costs hundreds of dollars today.

Sources/Links:

http://www.eurodancehits.com/missingheart/index.html - Their official homepage, made in 2000 and last updated in 2007. It certainly looks its age. Contains their biography, discography, and some descriptions on their songs and why they're named what they're named, etc. It has a page full of samples but it requires a "realPlayer" browser player and offers .ram files instead of .mp3s or whatever.
http://www.technodisco.net/missing-heart/ - This page looks kind of fishy, but their links lead to Youtube videos of Missing Heart songs, including some remixes. It's a pretty decent resource of Missing Heart stuff.

Maple Leaf fucked around with this message at 09:08 on Jul 18, 2014

Glazius
Jul 22, 2007

Hail all those who are able,
any mouse can,
any mouse will,
but the Guard prevail.

Clapping Larry
Yeah, holy poo poo, Charlene had like 200 more arrows than most of the other songs you did. I can see how a crap-ton of arrows competes for difficulty with some of the other tricks you have to pull off.

Fedule
Mar 27, 2010


No one left uncured.
I got you.
Charlene was the first 11 I ever passed, and went on to be the only 11 I have ever passed or will ever, since I kinda fell out of the DDR life shortly thereafter.

I came across an X2 yesterday and decided to see if I could still pass MAX300.

I could not.

Can Of Worms
Sep 4, 2011

That's not how the Triangle Attack works...
I have to agree with the opinion on Digital Explosion (at least for Driving Force Classical), the first half of the song is filler to me, both with the actual steps and the song itself.

Something worth noting about Missing Heart is they had a brief appearance in the DDR series with their song Moonlight Shadow (unless that's a separate eurodance Missing Heart? :v:)

Maple Leaf
Aug 24, 2010

Let'en my post flyen true

Fedule posted:

Charlene was the first 11 I ever passed, and went on to be the only 11 I have ever passed or will ever, since I kinda fell out of the DDR life shortly thereafter.

I came across an X2 yesterday and decided to see if I could still pass MAX300.

I could not.

Was it the original Max 300 chart, or was it the X-Special? Because Max 300's X-Special is loving garbage. Nothing makes sense; it's like they wrote it by slapping at the keyboard with a pair of wet socks.

:siren:Doubles: Tough Enough, On a Day Like Today, Mouth, Hand of Time



Artist Spotlight:



Vanilla Ninja originally started as a four-piece Estonian girl band that originally formed in 2002. In 2004, Maarja Kivi, their singer/songwriter, left and was replaced by Triinu Kivilaan, who in turn left the band in 2005. Vanilla Ninja continued as a three-piece band until disbanding in 2008. Their first album, self-titled Vanilla Ninja, was released in both English and Estonian.

They were popular all throughout Europe, but they had considerable noteriety in their homeland Estonia. They have a brand of ice cream and "kohuke" (a type of bite-sized candy made of curd cheese) named after them specifically because of their celebrity status. They were so popular that a German video channel named VIVA, notorious for their bias for artists signed under Universal Records, played their music often despite being signed under rival distributor Sony BMG Music.

The band once caught some flak for their music video for Cool Vibes because it supposedly plagiarised material from Deine Lakaien's video for their single Mindmachine. The band, however, had no say or input on the music video's production.

Links/Sources:

https://web.archive.org/web/20120624000641/http://vanillaninja.ee/ - Their official website is down, probably forever, but the Wayback Machine is always there to lend a hand. Everything is in Estonian, though.
http://www.discogs.com/artist/564272-Vanilla-Ninja - Discography.
http://www.reverbnation.com/vanillaninja - Some free music (not for download) and a bit of a biography.




Obsession and Rochelle are both associated acts of Natalie Browne and are signed under the same record label.



Reflection Theory consistes of members Chris Brickler (founder, singer, synths, and more), Jay Miller (guitars) and "Persida" (female singer). The group was founded while Brickler was moving between London and Dallas.

There is very little information on Reflection Theory - I only managed to find that last paragraph by Googling Brickler's name. They came out with one album, titled Reflection Theory back in 2003 under the label Maximedia. You can still find it on iTunes if you're down for that.

Sources/Links:

http://www.broadjam.com/artists/bio.php?artistID=9808 - This is the only thing approaching a biography I could find. Somebody described them as being "[the] best bar in Dallas."
http://www.allmusic.com/artist/reflection-theory-mn0000467765/discography - Their discography.
https://itunes.apple.com/us/album/reflection-theory/id49605982 - Their stuff on iTunes. I wonder if the sales still go to Brickler.

Fedule
Mar 27, 2010


No one left uncured.
I got you.

Maple Leaf posted:

Was it the original Max 300 chart, or was it the X-Special? Because Max 300's X-Special is loving garbage. Nothing makes sense; it's like they wrote it by slapping at the keyboard with a pair of wet socks.

The original. I never had the pleasure of playing the X-Special.

It was also the first time I got a really good look at a DDRX cab. I don't know what they did to the ratings but it sure didn't make any sense.

Professional Razer
Oct 4, 2012

Fedule posted:

It was also the first time I got a really good look at a DDRX cab. I don't know what they did to the ratings but it sure didn't make any sense.
Generally speaking, the X-scale system was made to give the stuff that broke the 1-10 scale a more accurate rating. Most of it is from SuperNOVA and SuperNOVA2 (Fascination MAXX, Healing-D-Vision, PARANOiA ~HADES~, Pluto Relinquish to name a few) but a few songs before SN/SN2 ended up harder than most old-scale 10s.

It's not entirely clear-cut, but general agreement is that MAX300 [heavy]'s rating of 15 is pretty accurate, so for the most part, 15s are seen as equivalent to old-scale 10s. it gets muddier as you go down, but the upper level stuff is quite a bit more clear than lumping everything into the lv10 folder. (Beatmania IIDX has a similar problem with the lv12 folder but that's something else completely.)

So far, it only goes as high as 19, with two songs (Valkyrie dimension, PARANOiA Revolution) on Single and three songs (same as single, plus Possession) on Double having a 19 rating.

TKImpulse
Oct 21, 2009

Maple Leaf posted:

Was it the original Max 300 chart, or was it the X-Special? Because Max 300's X-Special is loving garbage. Nothing makes sense; it's like they wrote it by slapping at the keyboard with a pair of wet socks.

You say this like all of the X-Specials aren't utter trash. :v: Dead End says hi.

edit: Honestly don't remember if DEGRS is counted as an X-Special. Either way my point stands, screw anything that has Special at the end of the name aside from Midnight Special.
edit 2: Huh, DEGRS was Supernova 2. Knew there was a reason why I never wanted to play it.

TKImpulse fucked around with this message at 17:45 on Jul 30, 2014

Professional Razer
Oct 4, 2012

TKImpulse posted:

You say this like all of the X-Specials aren't utter trash. :v: Dead End says hi.

edit: Honestly don't remember if DEGRS is counted as an X-Special. Either way my point stands, screw anything that has Special at the end of the name aside from Midnight Special.
edit 2: Huh, DEGRS was Supernova 2. Knew there was a reason why I never wanted to play it.
I laughed really hard when Dead End Groove Radar Special got picked during the Konami Arcade Championship 2013 finals. (The other picks were Healing-D-Vision, 888, and Maxx Unlimited X-Special.)

TKImpulse
Oct 21, 2009

Professional Razer posted:

I laughed really hard when Dead End Groove Radar Special got picked during the Konami Arcade Championship 2013 finals. (The other picks were Healing-D-Vision, 888, and Maxx Unlimited X-Special.)

Yeah, KAC 2013 for DDR players was a massive middle finger. I was honestly surprised by no Valkyrie Dimension, but I guess they felt they were trolling enough with the selected songs. Gotta save something for this year's event.

Lets Pickle
Jul 9, 2007

These videos are pretty entertaining, especially since I've never seen most of the doubles arrows for anything, but the sound in the videos doesn't match up with the arrows hitting the top of the screen and it makes it very difficult to watch.

Maple Leaf
Aug 24, 2010

Let'en my post flyen true

Lets Pickle posted:

These videos are pretty entertaining, especially since I've never seen most of the doubles arrows for anything, but the sound in the videos doesn't match up with the arrows hitting the top of the screen and it makes it very difficult to watch.

Could you elaborate? I'm not doing anything to change the timing of the video other than converting the raws from 60 FPS to 30. Are they too late or too early?

Not to pass the blame or anything, but ITG's sync in their own game isn't exactly stellar throughout the board - some of the songs in the game are just a little late or a little early themselves. The community's gone and fixed them sync themselves, but I'm using the untouched versions for my videos.

Professional Razer
Oct 4, 2012

TKImpulse posted:

Yeah, KAC 2013 for DDR players was a massive middle finger. I was honestly surprised by no Valkyrie Dimension, but I guess they felt they were trolling enough with the selected songs. Gotta save something for this year's event.
I think the best part was that three of four players picked a song that has a speedup at the ending- save for Maxx Unlimited X-Special, the ending speeds up significantly faster than the rest of the song. There's two ways to approach this: either memorize the ending and play at a higher speed mod for most of the song, or play on a lower speed mod and read better at slow speeds. 888, DEGRS, and Healing-D-Vision are all known for this kind of nonsense.

As for this year's event... If (more like when) FEFEMZ qualifies, it's going to be awesome. He might end up in multiple games- he destroyed the competition in Jubeat saucer in 2013, even perfect full comboing True Blue in the actual tournament.

TKImpulse
Oct 21, 2009

Professional Razer posted:

I think the best part was that three of four players picked a song that has a speedup at the ending- save for Maxx Unlimited X-Special, the ending speeds up significantly faster than the rest of the song. There's two ways to approach this: either memorize the ending and play at a higher speed mod for most of the song, or play on a lower speed mod and read better at slow speeds. 888, DEGRS, and Healing-D-Vision are all known for this kind of nonsense.

As for this year's event... If (more like when) FEFEMZ qualifies, it's going to be awesome. He might end up in multiple games- he destroyed the competition in Jubeat saucer in 2013, even perfect full comboing True Blue in the actual tournament.

888's ending isn't awful to remember, HDV's ending is bullshit no matter what speed it's at, and lol DEGRS. I didn't know FEFEMZ was the one who EXC'd True Blue, I had heard about it and pretty much went "gently caress that noise". I can't even EXC an 8 on the comparatively easier iPad port of the game :v:

Lets Pickle
Jul 9, 2007

Maple Leaf posted:

Could you elaborate? I'm not doing anything to change the timing of the video other than converting the raws from 60 FPS to 30. Are they too late or too early?

Not to pass the blame or anything, but ITG's sync in their own game isn't exactly stellar throughout the board - some of the songs in the game are just a little late or a little early themselves. The community's gone and fixed them sync themselves, but I'm using the untouched versions for my videos.

It feels like the arrows are slightly late compared to the music. It might be something you get used to, but I used to play a lot of ITG and I don't remember it ever feeling that desynced.

Lets Pickle
Jul 9, 2007

Professional Razer posted:


So far, it only goes as high as 19, with two songs (Valkyrie dimension, PARANOiA Revolution) on Single and three songs (same as single, plus Possession) on Double having a 19 rating.

I just watched a video of these two songs and both are completely ridiculous. Paranoia Revolution in particular seems like a bunch of bullshit. The Autoplay was unable to keep up.

Olive Branch
May 26, 2010

There is no wealth like knowledge, no poverty like ignorance.

I blame the StepMania crowd (who are the only ones who still play and buy DDR games I guess) for the rise in poor official charts, given that most custom charts are hard for the sake of being hard. I guess ITG's success with 10-13 difficulty songs started a sort of arms race where the most convoluted, difficult, and bullshit charts are the "boss songs" to beat even though a solid chart with proper artistry would be memorable. But memorable in a "ah, a good song" way, not a "this chart is utter trash and brings down the game" way.

TKImpulse
Oct 21, 2009

Olive Branch posted:

I blame the StepMania crowd (who are the only ones who still play and buy DDR games I guess) for the rise in poor official charts, given that most custom charts are hard for the sake of being hard. I guess ITG's success with 10-13 difficulty songs started a sort of arms race where the most convoluted, difficult, and bullshit charts are the "boss songs" to beat even though a solid chart with proper artistry would be memorable. But memorable in a "ah, a good song" way, not a "this chart is utter trash and brings down the game" way.

There's no home versions to buy anymore though, and the game's officially unsupported anywhere not Japan. It's less the Stepmania/ITG crowd and more that there's not a whole lot more they can do in terms of difficulty aside from overcharted arrow vomit.

Professional Razer
Oct 4, 2012

TKImpulse posted:

888's ending isn't awful to remember, HDV's ending is bullshit no matter what speed it's at, and lol DEGRS. I didn't know FEFEMZ was the one who EXC'd True Blue, I had heard about it and pretty much went "gently caress that noise". I can't even EXC an 8 on the comparatively easier iPad port of the game :v:
Haven't had the chance to play the arcade version but I hear a lot of people that have say it's better/easier to play than the iPad version, since there's physical feedback via the 16 buttons instead of a touchscreen. Jubeat's not really my thing in any case- I play so much better on Reflec.
And yeah, EXCing stuff is nonsense.

Lets Pickle posted:

I just watched a video of these two songs and both are completely ridiculous. Paranoia Revolution in particular seems like a bunch of bullshit. The Autoplay was unable to keep up.
On single at least, both Valkyrie and Paranoia Revolution have a similar feeling about them.

The heavy chart seems like it was designed as "hey guys let's make a good boss chart- difficult for sure, but not obscene". Especially true for Paranoia Revolution, as it takes a page from Extreme's OMES (Dance Dance Revolution [challenge]) and uses parts from previous "boss" songs, both for the Single and Double heavy charts.

The challenge chart was made for the KAC crowd, to be something that the top players have a chance of clearing, let alone scoring well on is a bag of dicks. The bullshit stream at the beginning of Valkyrie's challenge chart is stupid.

TKImpulse
Oct 21, 2009

Professional Razer posted:

Haven't had the chance to play the arcade version but I hear a lot of people that have say it's better/easier to play than the iPad version, since there's physical feedback via the 16 buttons instead of a touchscreen. Jubeat's not really my thing in any case- I play so much better on Reflec.
And yeah, EXCing stuff is nonsense.
On single at least, both Valkyrie and Paranoia Revolution have a similar feeling about them.

The heavy chart seems like it was designed as "hey guys let's make a good boss chart- difficult for sure, but not obscene". Especially true for Paranoia Revolution, as it takes a page from Extreme's OMES (Dance Dance Revolution [challenge]) and uses parts from previous "boss" songs, both for the Single and Double heavy charts.

The challenge chart was made for the KAC crowd, to be something that the top players have a chance of clearing, let alone scoring well on is a bag of dicks. The bullshit stream at the beginning of Valkyrie's challenge chart is stupid.

Huh, I'd heard the opposite w/r/t Jubeat - that bullshit patterns like the chase section in Evans/Jomanda were "easier" on touchscreen but I dunno.

Speaking of Paranoia Revolution, and somewhat relevant to this thread - the ITG mines make appearances in the background video for it :v:

Glazius
Jul 22, 2007

Hail all those who are able,
any mouse can,
any mouse will,
but the Guard prevail.

Clapping Larry
Uptempo arrows are a pretty neat effect, but what was the differential in that video? Like twice as fast? More?

Maple Leaf
Aug 24, 2010

Let'en my post flyen true

Glazius posted:

Uptempo arrows are a pretty neat effect, but what was the differential in that video? Like twice as fast? More?

I'm not certain what you mean? The BPM in Tough Enough and Hand of Time were doubled/halved, rather than some other integer. Technically they were unnecessary but they go with the song.

:siren:Singles: Anubis, Disconnected, Oasis, Euphoria



Artist spotlight:






Kyle Andrew Ward is RoXoR's in-house musician. He has a large amount of pseudonyms he uses for all sorts of different styles and genres. Of ITG1's 74 songs, Ward has composed between 15 and 17 of them (do I not know for sure? That's actually a murky question that I'll address later). He has an Associate of Applied Arts degree (with honors) for Video Production; his music composition career was just a hobby until RoXoR found him.

On top of doing so much music for the game, he's also written a massive amount of the charts for many of the songs. He was one of the project's lead designers and managers. ITG2, when it was released in 2005, was called the highest-earning arcade dance title ever produced, with hardware and software spreading the globe at record paces and earning RoXoR a gross amount of money.

Konami wasn't too fond of that, and, to make a long story short, RoXoR lost the rights to the ITG name and series, and Ward was out of a job. However, RoXoR had made a relationship with the Korean-based arcade company Andamiro as a sort of fallback, and Andamiro owned the unalienable rights to Pump It Up, which is like DDR and ITG but with five arrows in a cross instead of four arrows in a square.

In 2008, Ward left Andamiro to work with a Swedish-based company Positive Gaming to make their "innovative exergame product" iDance 2. iDance was unique in that it could connect up to 32 players simultaneously on wireless dance platforms. It was basically DDR but it exploited some loophole in the ITG case so Konami couldn't touch them (specifically, instead of four target arrows at the top of the gameplay screen, there was just a line. That's it, that was the clincher in the 2005 lawsuit.). iDance 2 was targeted towards schools, gyms, and fitness centers; it was sort of an exclusive game and because of that, there's no competitive scene for it.

Ward recently started a company called Step Evolution LLC specifically to make an iOS, Android, and Arcade game called ReRave. It's basically Osu!/Elite Beat Agents (but don't say that to him, he'll get mad) but different enough and using more of the music he made in 2005.

Other than his duet thing with his longtime friend John Mendenhall, Oscillator X, I don't think he actually still produces music. I haven't heard any new music from him in a while.

Links/Sources:

http://www.kyleaward.com/ - His homepage. Includes a blog, portfolio, biography, testimonials, and like six songs. According to this blog, the last song he publically released is four years old.
https://www.facebook.com/kyleaward - His Facebook. Fella doesn't shut up so if you say hi, he'll probably respond.
http://www.cduniverse.com/sresult.asp?HT_Search=XARTIST&HT_Search_Info=Kaw - Some, uh, discographies? I know Urban Comatose and Synthsations are his, but I've never heard of the singles Stacked or P3 before now, and they don't really sound like him.
http://www.oscillatorx.com/ - Oscillator X's homepage. Their most recent song, Every Moment, is a year old.

Olive Branch
May 26, 2010

There is no wealth like knowledge, no poverty like ignorance.

What do the C300 and C450 speed mods do, compared to the 1x and upwards mods?

Maple Leaf
Aug 24, 2010

Let'en my post flyen true
They force the BPM to be whatever the number is, regardless of actual changes or stops. For instance, in Euphoria, the arrows wouldn't slow down halfway through, and would continue at their 300/450 speed.

Using these mods on any song that has BPM changes or stops invalidates your score, though, so they're not the most useful or popular.

Glazius
Jul 22, 2007

Hail all those who are able,
any mouse can,
any mouse will,
but the Guard prevail.

Clapping Larry

Maple Leaf posted:

I'm not certain what you mean? The BPM in Tough Enough and Hand of Time were doubled/halved, rather than some other integer. Technically they were unnecessary but they go with the song.

Yeah, that's what I mean. It does go with the song pretty well.

It is interesting to hear some more pure instrumental works along with dance mixes of heavily vocal songs.

Maple Leaf
Aug 24, 2010

Let'en my post flyen true
To make up for the lack of updates last week, here are two of them at once:

:siren:Doubles: Let My Love Go Blind, Hybrid, Lemmings on the Run, Bend Your Mind



Singles: Fly Away, Solina, Turn It On, The Beginning



Artist spotlight:



Try imagining a band that uses heavy metal, alternative rock, and chiptunes. Does that sound like a winning combination to you? It did to Swedish musicians Robert Stjärnström, Jonas Rörling, and Kahl Hellmer.

Machinae Supremacy (pronounced "machine") was formed in 2000. They've labelled their unique sound as "SID metal", because it uses the SID chip of the Commodore 64 for their chiptunes. Their first commercial album was called Dues Ex Machinae, released in 2004. The band is currently signed to Spinefarm Records. Their other albums include Redeemer in 2006; Overworld in 2008; A View from the End of the World in 2010; and Rise of a Digital Nation in 2012. They released their latest album (digitally), Phantom Shadow, just four days from this writing, on August 22nd, 2014.

On top of their own albums, they also did the official soundtrack for at least two games: a 2D shoot-em-up for the PC called Jets'n'Guns, and a platformer for all modern platforms called Giana Sisters: Twisted Dreams. They wanted to do the OST for a Kickstarter game called For My Brother, but it unfortunately did not make its minimum goal. They've done a number of promotional singles, including a SID metal version of Melanie C's I Turn To You and Britney Spears' Gimme More.

Stjärnström has a very... liberal stance when it comes to piracy and distribution of his own work. In an interview with The Gaming Vault, it was noted that Machinae Supremacy sided with world-renowned torrent site The Pirate Bay when they started to have legal troubles, and that it was odd that a musician would choose to stand by the very people that, according to some, are robbing them:

  • [Multinational Corporations] try so hard to maintain a business model that obviously doesn’t work anymore, and I’m not going to stand on their side against the fans. It seems petty, and that’s pretty far from awesome. [...] The music industry might change, but it will never die. However, some dinosaurs might become extinct as it evolves.

This stance got them into some trouble with their own publisher when they themselves uploaded a torrent of a 720p recording of their live performance at Assembly 2011. You can watch the video here. There's also a video of Stjärnström explaining his stance elsewhere on Youtube, but I can't seem to find it at the moment.

Links/Sources:

http://www.machinaesupremacy.com/ - Their official site. Includes a biography and free downloads for most of their webography and the entirety of their first album, Dues Ex Machinae. It also includes playlists of every other album, available if you have Spotify.
http://forum.machinaesupremacy.com/ - Their forums, if you're down for that.
https://www.facebook.com/machinaesupremacy - They have a Facebook page that they update pretty frequently.



E-Rotic is an associated act of Missing Heart. They were a German Eurodance project that went from the forgotten sepia-toned times of 1994 until 2003. Their music was largely considered a drop in the bucket at the time, except, as their name implies, E-Rotic used a ton of sexual topics and innuendo in their songs. For crying out loud, one of their songs was called Max Don't Have Sex with Your Ex. Sound advice, though.

The group went through female singers and male rappers like they were money, including four singers and four rappers. The only one to survive all nine years was David Brandes, the group's producer. E-Rotic was his brainchild, and he was actually the group's original studio rapper, though he never performed on stage.

E-Rotic was featured several times in Dance Dance Revolution.

Links/Sources:

http://www.sexualmadness.de/ - Their official website, miraculously still alive and online. Includes a biography and a discography, but everything is in German. It's NSFW and their opening page actually includes a cartoon picture of eight women having a fun time with an octopus. (Click bait if you've ever seen it, eh?)
http://forum.sexualmadness.de/ - Their official forum. It requires an account to view anything, but assuming that it's not overrun with bots by now, the last man-made post there was made June 13th, 2014. Their newest member registered in 2011.
http://www.eurokdj.com/search/eurodb.php?name=E-Rotic - A Eurodance Wiki entry on E-Rotic, including an English biography and discography.



Barry Jamieson worked for two decades in the UK as a sound engineer and music producer, racking up several Top 40s hits and at least one Grammy nomination. He and his buddy Jon Sutton formed Evolution and they tried to be one of the forerunners to the dance sensations that were, at the time, sweeping the nations with their own brand of digital sounds. More recently, he's done work cowriting music for the CSI television series, and Evolution even did the score for an entire episode of CSI: Crime Scene Investigation called "4 x 4". If I understand his biography correctly, he also did the trailer music for the movie Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon. He's been a part of maybe a dozen other groups, including Apparition, Coma Pirates, Rapscallions, and more.

There is no information that I can find on Jon Sutton. In fact, most searches for Evolution came up blank; only one website got back to me on Jamieson. It seems they've been out of the limelight for some time now.

Sources/Links:

http://www.discogs.com/artist/5402-Evolution - Their discography, and...
http://www.discogs.com/artist/200324-Barry-Jamieson - Jamieson's biography. There was very little else I could find about Evolution; not so much as a Wikipedia article.



Like Evolution, and some other underground artists so far, there is very little about GeorgetowN on the internet. It's frustrating to even search for this guy at all: Google keeps thinking I mean Georgetown University, and which past American presidents attended it.

The only match I found for GeorgetowN is this discography. I'm tempted to believe that it's really the same artist featured in ITG because all references to this page refer to GeorgetowN with the capitalized N. ITG graphic artists tend to use official logos if they're available, and GeorgetowN uses the capitalized N logo on their second album, Echo Park. None of their three albums (their latest one released in 2011) include the song Turn It On.



Like GeorgetowN, and some other underground artists so far, there is very little about DJ Doo on the internet. It's frustrating to even search for this guy at all: Google keeps thinking I mean someone else. Apparently "DJ Scooby Doo" is a thing and he's released two whole albums.

The only match I found for a "DJ Doo" was this guy: some sort of French rapper suffering from rampant narcisism. This "website" doesn't have anything of a discography, and everything is in French. I sort of doubt this is the same DJ Doo, though, because DJ Doo has another song in ITG called Do U Love Me, which is all in English and uses a female vocalist.

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TKImpulse
Oct 21, 2009
Hahahahaha, Bend Your Mind doubles. The worst chart to try to play on a cabinet that was missing like, half its sensors.

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