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Yeah, that's due to the list being made in 2009 and AV really loving long careers. Brady will probably finish doubling Cunningham's career AV over the next two seasons. You'll also note that by career AV Drew Bledsoe was better then Steve Young or Joe Montana. For another example, Aaron Rodgers is about equal to Vinny Testaverde. Kalli fucked around with this message at 00:36 on Jun 9, 2014 |
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Fenrir posted:No, Yes. Yes, Yes. They're both Hall of Famers.
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Eifert Posting posted:Yes, Yes. They're both Hall of Famers. So is Dan Fouts and is the superior #14 And Ken Anderson is not in the hall of fame a neat cape fucked around with this message at 00:46 on Jun 9, 2014 |
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ROSS MY SALAD posted:So is Dan Fouts and is the superior #14 So is Don Hutson, the more superior #14. Also, not only is Ken Anderson not in the HoF, he wasn't even the best Bengals QB of his era. If I had to pick one to put into the HoF, it would be Boomer. Fenrir fucked around with this message at 00:49 on Jun 9, 2014 |
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Is it between Willie Roaf and Red Grange for 77? Am I forgetting someone awesome who is playing/recently retired?
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Not the best, but the People's Champion #72 is clearly
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Grittybeard posted:Is it between Willie Roaf and Red Grange for 77? Am I forgetting someone awesome who is playing/recently retired? Those are the only noteworthy ones I can come up with, but damned if I can pick one.
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R.D. Mangles posted:Not the best, but the People's Champion #72 is clearly They should have put bigger numbers on him
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Sash! posted:They should have put bigger numbers on him The Fridge is on the small side for current NFL DTs.
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Hhhmmm... Yes I suppose your opinion is useless. More yards than Bradshaw, Griese and Namath. More TDs than Aikman, Starr and Staubach. More QB rating titles than Montana and Marino combined. The first QB to effectively play the WCO. If Anderson played for an NFC:E team he would have been a first ballot HOFer. He's only overlooked because the Bengals never won a title. Bigger than Geno Atkins by a full inch. VVVV Eifert Posting fucked around with this message at 01:01 on Jun 9, 2014 |
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R.D. Mangles posted:The Fridge is literally too small to play DT in the modern NFL. No he isn't. He played at 6'2" and 300+. He may have been 20 pounds lighter than Wilfork (6'2" 325) or Raji (6'1" 333) at his leanest, and later on he was bigger. Like, just as heavy as those guys, maybe heavier. And those are 3-4 NTs. 4-3 DTs are not necessarily as big. Fenrir fucked around with this message at 01:02 on Jun 9, 2014 |
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Oh please. Fouts played for the Chargers in the same Era, never even got to a Superbowl, and was a first ballot hall of famer. Playing for the Bengals had nothing to do with it. He just wasn't good enough to be a first ballot guy or any further ballot guy
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ROSS MY SALAD posted:Demarcus Ware Charles Haley. 
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Coldforge posted:Charles Haley. I was just going by active players, but yeah this
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Eifert Posting posted:Hhhmmm... Yes I suppose your opinion is useless. More yards than older QBs from an older era means nothing. More TDs than Aikman means nothing because Aikman never had more than 25 in a season. He had an all-world RB. Starr and Staubach (Starr in particular) played in a different era. QB rating titles don't mean poo poo. The first QB to effectively play the WCO? Okay, but Montana and Fouts did it better. If Anderson was as good as Fouts or Montana he'd have gotten HoF consideration. He wasn't. Also, Boomer was better.
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Anderson got plenty of consideration, he just never made it. I do agree that if he got a ring he'd probably be in, wasn't he really close a few times? I'm in the camp that thinks he should probably be in, but I'm generally a big hall guy.
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Really it doesn't matter, because the best #14 is Y.A. Tittle.
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Coldforge posted:Really it doesn't matter, because the best #14 is Y.A. Tittle. Wrong. 
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I looked up #88 since the only HoFer I could think of was Irvin, but a whole bunch of people have worn it. But there is only one Tony Gonzales
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Fenrir posted:Wrong. Doesn't count, he wore #60 for most of career, was only 14 for three years 
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Febreeze posted:I looked up #88 since the only HoFer I could think of was Irvin, but a whole bunch of people have worn it. I'll beat NFC South fans to the joke about the two greatest guys at pushing off of all time.
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Coldforge posted:Doesn't count, he wore #60 for most of career, was only 14 for three years 14 was the one the Packers retired I'm with you on Ogden being the best 75 but I don't think that's going to be the popular opinion.
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Deacon Jones was a 75.
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Fenrir posted:14 was the one the Packers retired Oh never mind, I thought that was Otto Graham you posted. In that case, I have no idea who that is, but I'm sure you're just straight up delusional.
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Coldforge posted:Oh never mind, I thought that was Otto Graham you posted. In that case, I have no idea who that is, but I'm sure you're just straight up delusional. 99 receiving TDs in the 30s/40s. A record that wasn't broken until Largent 40 years later. 1211 yards and 17 TDs, numbers that are comparable to any top 10 WR of TODAY, in loving 1942. That was in an eleven game season. In other words, he averaged 110 yards and 1.5 TDs a game, in 1942, an era where defenders could practically tackle the WR at the line and grab them at any point in the route. You are delusional. 110 yards and 1.5 TDs in the modern 16 game schedule would now amount to 1760 yards and 24 TDs. Who has done THAT, even with the new rules that protect WRs even more than they did in only 2001? Answer: No one. A few have come close, but seriously. Even Jerry Rice and Randy Moss have never hit 24 TDs and 1760 yards would be in the top 5 of single season yards by any WR. e: It would be 3rd behind 2012 Megatron, 1995 Jerry and 1995 Isaac Bruce. Fenrir fucked around with this message at 02:01 on Jun 9, 2014 |
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I just wish Chad had a few more years at peak production so I could push for him, but he fell off way too young. It's weird, cause he was never a huge speed guy. You'd think running killer routes and getting his feet down no matter what would have led to a longer career. Makes me really appreciate Hugh Jackson seeing how badly Chad struggled to learn offenses later in his career. Eifert Posting fucked around with this message at 02:38 on Jun 9, 2014 |
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Coldforge posted:Oh never mind, I thought that was Otto Graham you posted. In that case, I have no idea who that is, but I'm sure you're just straight up delusional. Just some JAG that nfl.com lists as the 9th best player of all time (and 2nd best wideout after Jerry Rice)
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Fenrir posted:99 receiving TDs in the 30s/40s. A record that wasn't broken until Largent 40 years later. 1211 yards and 17 TDs, numbers that are comparable to any top 10 WR of TODAY, in loving 1942. That was in an eleven game season. In those days defenders could practically tackle the WR at the line and grab them at any point in the route. You are delusional. They're all HoFers with impressive careers. Tittle was a five time league MVP, first QB with back to back 30 TD seasons, threw 7 TDs in one game, set the single season TD record in '63. And he has a better football name
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Rasczak posted:Just some JAG that nfl.com lists as the 9th best player of all time (and 2nd best wideout after Jerry Rice) So amazing that no one can speak his name (yeah, I get that it's Hutson. And sure, maybe he's pretty good. For a Packer.).
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R.D. Mangles posted:The Fridge is on the small side for current NFL DTs. Did they change the rules for the number size, because they don't look as comically small as they did on the huge guys back then. I remember seeing Levon Kirkland around 97-98 and thinking "there can't possibly be a bigger human."
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Coldforge posted:They're all HoFers with impressive careers. Tittle was a five time league MVP, first QB with back to back 30 TD seasons, threw 7 TDs in one game, set the single season TD record in '63. And he has a better football name Tittle wasn't anywhere near as far above and beyond his contemporaries as Hutson. He played in the company of better QBs. Hutson was the best WR of his era by a long loving shot and made a record that wasn't broken for 40 years. Sorry but no. Tittle owns, but he's not the best 14.
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Fenrir posted:Tittle wasn't anywhere near as far above and beyond his contemporaries as Hutson. He played in the company of better QBs. Hutson was the best WR of his era by a long loving shot and made a record that wasn't broken for 40 years. Sorry but no. Tittle owns, but he's not the best 14. You win this battle. Sorry Tittle 
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Fenrir posted:Jared Allen has 69. I don't know if he'll make the Hall but he's a great player. 97 would be Bob Lilly
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Fenrir posted:Tittle wasn't anywhere near as far above and beyond his contemporaries as Hutson. He played in the company of better QBs. Hutson was the best WR of his era by a long loving shot and made a record that wasn't broken for 40 years. Sorry but no. Tittle owns, but he's not the best 14. Hutson racked up stats against a bunch of literally crippled players. We might as well give it to Tittle and count the numbers he put up dominating his local rec league.
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