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Kristov posted:Well this is a democracy... so what else could they do? You've got your voice and your fists, and the latter usually doesn't work out too well for minorities. Like it's not even a matter of being more radical than thou or whatever, it's about how progress and action is conceptualized: merely the existence of action itself is cast as a 'success', there's no well defined failure state. There doesn't even seem to be a willingness or desire to come up with measurable goals , instead the justification is based on about 'symbolism', 'starting a conversation' or some other masturbatory language. That this is somehow consider 'the best way to solve racism' is indicative of the society we are in right now. political action is reduced to a carnival spectacle; the twist is that the carnival is for the entertainment of the protesters themselves, not the observers.
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It really always comes down to "shut the gently caress up" doesn't it? Shut the gently caress up, you're in league with the abolitionists. Shut the gently caress up, you're in league with the Communists. Shut the gently caress up, you're in league with Islam. Shut the gently caress up, you're in the league with the transwolf neckbeards. In this final iteration, the insecure whites have realized that they can't just tar you with another marginalized group anymore; that's been recognized as bigotry. So they have to pick a group fundamentally defined by absurdity--a group, may I add, populated almost entirely by themselves. That's your game. You are occupying both sides of this debate. You are the ones who declared yourselves to be ponies because you could not be black, and you could not be gay. You could not be interesting in the least; so you chose to be absurd, and then your Internet twins chose to use your absurdity against the very groups that you secretly wish you belonged to.
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SedanChair posted:It really always comes down to "shut the gently caress up" doesn't it? Shut the gently caress up, you're in league with the abolitionists. Shut the gently caress up, you're in league with the Communists. Shut the gently caress up, you're in league with Islam. Shut the gently caress up, you're in the league with the transwolf neckbeards. I initially read this post and assumed you were a literal teenager. Then I noticed your reg date and got a little embarrassed for you.
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SedanChair posted:It really always comes down to "shut the gently caress up" doesn't it? Shut the gently caress up, you're in league with the abolitionists. Shut the gently caress up, you're in league with the Communists. Shut the gently caress up, you're in league with Islam. Shut the gently caress up, you're in the league with the transwolf neckbeards. I think the fact that those groups of people want to be parts of an oppressed group so badly is actually progress in its own sick little way. They certainly wouldn't be doing it in the 50s or 60s. It's just a shame their insanity and narcissism bleeds into so much other poo poo.
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natetimm posted:I think the fact that those groups of people want to be parts of an oppressed group so badly is actually progress in its own sick little way. They certainly wouldn't be doing it in the 50s or 60s. It's just a shame their insanity and narcissism bleeds into so much other poo poo. I can think of a fair number of groups that were entirely voluntary and were intentionally counterculture in the 50s and 60s.
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computer parts posted:I can think of a fair number of groups that were entirely voluntary and were intentionally counterculture in the 50s and 60s. It wasn't nearly as widespread or fashionable, though. Decades of "raising awareness" have made generating the attention its own end and created this entire sub-group of people. The people in the 50s and 60s were bucking the trend, these people think they're following it.
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computer parts posted:I can think of a fair number of groups that were entirely voluntary and were intentionally counterculture in the 50s and 60s. Um but possibly with a skosh more elan.
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I'm convinced the vast majority of SJWs on tumblr are just trolls. Look at what happened just this passed Father's Day: some dudes on 4chan created fake tumblr and twitter accounts, masquerading as feminist non-white women and saying that Father's Day should be ended because men are nothing but rapists. This was an attempt to piss people off and turn everyone against feminism. So, seeing that, I have to wonder if some of the more inflammatory SJWs aren't also just white boys trying to make feminists and anti-racists look bad.
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Blue Star posted:I'm convinced the vast majority of SJWs on tumblr are just trolls. Look at what happened just this passed Father's Day: some dudes on 4chan created fake tumblr and twitter accounts, masquerading as feminist non-white women and saying that Father's Day should be ended because men are nothing but rapists. This was an attempt to piss people off and turn everyone against feminism. Many of the more virulent ones have been creepily doxxed by the internet at large if you really want to go down that rabbit hole. There are trolls out there, but there are undoubtedly many, many sincere accounts as well.
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Blue Star posted:I'm convinced the vast majority of SJWs on tumblr are just trolls. Look at what happened just this passed Father's Day: some dudes on 4chan created fake tumblr and twitter accounts, masquerading as feminist non-white women and saying that Father's Day should be ended because men are nothing but rapists. This was an attempt to piss people off and turn everyone against feminism. If you need proof that a significant portion of these people are real, I invite you to consult the twitters, tumblrs, and forums of all the lf alumini. They are every bit as comically insane as the most obvious joke. One of the lf spinoffs tore itself apart and had someone posting about suicide as a result of someone using the phrase "healthy weight". A millionaire heiress attacked a homeless man in the name of feminism. Rampant calling people rapists for mild internet offenses. Someone killed themselves and mentioned Bell Hooks in their suicide note. Near universal depression and unemployment. Shunning and banning over the slightest wrong thought. Literal dogfuckers. The internet left is a cesspool of the mentally ill and developmentally stunted. SJW achieved pejorative status almost entirely of their own doing. SickZip fucked around with this message at 02:35 on Jun 27, 2014 |
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natetimm posted:It wasn't nearly as widespread or fashionable, though. Decades of "raising awareness" have made generating the attention its own end and created this entire sub-group of people. The people in the 50s and 60s were bucking the trend, these people think they're following it. It was fairly fashionable; the oft-misquoted line from Steinbeck about temporarily embarrassed capitalists were about a bunch of liberals who believed it was fun to act like Socialists. (though I guess the piece in question was from the 30s)
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SickZip posted:If you need proof that a significant portion of these people are real, I invite you to consult the twitters, tumblrs, and forums of all the lf alumini. They are every bit as comically insane as the most obvious joke. One of the lf spinoffs tore itself apart and had someone posting about suicide as a result of someone using the phrase "healthy weight". A millionaire heiress attacked a homeless man in the name of feminism. Rampant calling people rapists for mild internet offenses. Someone killed themselves and mentioned Bell Hooks in their suicide note. Near universal depression and unemployment. Shunning and banning over the slightest wrong thought. Literal dogfuckers. The internet left is a cesspool of the mentally ill and developmentally stunted. SJW achieved pejorative status almost entirely of their own doing. This is just what happens when goons fall outside the benevolent guidance of our dear moderators.
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SickZip posted:The internet left is a cesspool of the mentally ill and developmentally stunted. Meanwhile, the internet right is the picture of health and strength, such as the greatest exponents of socialist realism could only dream of.
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SedanChair posted:Meanwhile, the internet right is the picture of health and strength, such as the greatest exponents of socialist realism could only dream of. Well. Strength, anyway. 
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I don't know why anyone would want to willfully be a member of an oppressed minority. It kinda sucks I have to be honest. What'll be really fun is when they start exercising their 2nd amendment rights and open carrying for funsies.
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SedanChair posted:Meanwhile, the internet right is the picture of health and strength, such as the greatest exponents of socialist realism could only dream of. True Story: In men, bicep circumference is a good predictor of being right-wing or left-wing. Physical strength exerts more of an effect than actual economic circumstances. Weaker men are inclined to be left economically while stronger men favor the right. So yeah, probably. SickZip fucked around with this message at 04:58 on Jun 27, 2014 |
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Blue Star posted:So, seeing that, I have to wonder if some of the more inflammatory SJWs aren't also just white boys trying to make feminists and anti-racists look bad. No, the real crime is that these imitations are the 'horizon' of progressive action, to which the only reasonable conclusion (which most people reach) is to ignore the concept of progress altogether, and instead to create habits that alleviate feelings of guilt or shame: Change your avatar to support the struggle of X, Like and favourite this video, show your support by buying this product, remember to acknowledge X during X week. It's imitation for the sake of self-expression which the user can defend reflexively, based on a legacy to which the actions themselves contribute nothing. Rhetoric as itself a commodity, with specific niches, demographics and brand appeal. That is what happens when simply sharing experiences is 'the best' kind of social action. Experiences are useless, everyone has them and no one other than you really cares about your experiences. Real progress can only be achieved by a broad challenging and reformation of social truths, which must start from a view of common interest. rudatron fucked around with this message at 04:44 on Jun 27, 2014 |
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SickZip posted:True Story: In men, bicep circumference is a good predictor of being right-wing or left-wing. Physical strength exerts more of an effect than actual economic circumstances. Weaker men are inclined to be left economically while stronger men favor the right. So yeah, probably. In which direction does having big arms supposedly influence your politics? Because the biggest, scariest fuckers I've ever encountered are hardcore unionists, and I don't think I've ever met a self-described conservative who wasn't a pencil-necked little twerp.
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SickZip posted:True Story: In men, bicep circumference is a good predictor of being right-wing or left-wing. Physical strength exerts more of an effect than actual economic circumstances. Weaker men are inclined to be left economically while stronger men favor the right. So yeah, probably. That's more of a rural/city thing than what you are alluding to.
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rudatron posted:That is what happens when simply sharing experiences is 'the best' kind of social action. Experiences are useless, everyone has them and no one other than you really cares about your experiences. Real progress can only be achieved by a broad challenging and reformation of social truths, which must start from a view of common interest. Sharing experiences is a necessary precondition to recognizing common interests.
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SickZip posted:True Story: In men, bicep circumference is a good predictor of being right-wing or left-wing. Physical strength exerts more of an effect than actual economic circumstances. Weaker men are inclined to be left economically while stronger men favor the right. So yeah, probably. Urban "democrats" are often impressive physical specimens from pumping iron in the prison gym.
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Zelder posted:So your argument is that the truth (and the truth is that racism is everywhere, it's an institutional problem) is unnappealing and unlikely to convince people, so we shouldn't talk about it? No. My argument is that this statement is not falsifiable and implies that everyone disagreeing with it is automatically wrong. Which is considered a lovely way to discuss anything. SedanChair posted:It really always comes down to "shut the gently caress up" doesn't it? Shut the gently caress up, you're in league with the abolitionists. Shut the gently caress up, you're in league with the Communists. Shut the gently caress up, you're in league with Islam. Shut the gently caress up, you're in the league with the transwolf neckbeards. Don't you see anything wrong in assuming that everyone who disagrees with civil rights movement in any issue does this only to prevent minorities from speaking? And lumping tumblr otherkins with the people who laugh at them as an unified front is completely 
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Gantolandon posted:Don't you see anything wrong in assuming that everyone who disagrees with civil rights movement in any issue does this only to prevent minorities from speaking? No. What am I supposed to do, give every ignorant dumbass in the world the benefit of the doubt, over and over, even though they're just saying the same dumb Archie Bunker poo poo their parents said? I know what they're trying to do, even if they themselves are too stupid to know.
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rudatron posted:We've had 20+ years of ~awareness raising~ campaign, and they haven't done jack poo poo. They're easy to do, maybe they sell some things or whatever, but the in terms of cultural change they achieve nothing. What people believe determines how they perceive the world, there's no simple way to bypass that. I dunno, man. Im pretty sure if you were to talk about the prison industrial complex, or how the drug war is the new jim crow even 10 years ago, people would have thought you were crazy. Or look at how the right wing (in us, anyways) is lashing out like a wounded animal. Its easy to get discouraged. But think of it this way. Also, the reason there is no well defined failure state is because we are failing always right now. We are in a constant failure state, so the only real way to measure progress is with legislative achievements (or setbacks), or by looking back and seeing if we are failing less hard.
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natetimm posted:I think the fact that those groups of people want to be parts of an oppressed group so badly is actually progress in its own sick little way. They certainly wouldn't be doing it in the 50s or 60s. It's just a shame their insanity and narcissism bleeds into so much other poo poo. You may have stumbled into a good point here. In some ways the goalposts have shifted to the point where you have to belittle imaginary minorites (rather than, y'know, real ones like black people or jewish people) in order to stroke that hate boner.
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Gantolandon posted:No. My argument is that this statement is not falsifiable and implies that everyone disagreeing with it is automatically wrong. Which is considered a lovely way to discuss anything. The non-falsifiable arguments used by SJW aren't terrible because they lead to no discussion. They're terrible because they impose the zaniness of tumblr on all the subaltern they supposedly represent and subsequently inspire toxic and delusional thinking that has more in common with a cult than a social justice movement. It's kind of a pain because you can end up being associated with people who question your minority status if you express disagreement. Keep in mind these people are so delusional that they think a derisive term for a particular brand of internet activism is the same an established term that inherently implies violence and has a storied history of things like mobs backed by the state setting activists on fire. That in itself is indicative of how eager this community has been to misappropriate the terminology for its own ends, 'privilege' means something completely different now that a bunch of immature social retards got a hold of it. Now it's just like the Pat Boone version of "Tutti Frutti": completely stolen and misappropriated to be more accessible to more people than Little Richards version and nowhere near as good as a result. Granted, little Richard rightfully gets the credit for the song these days but that hinged on people calling out the fact that the Boone stolen in the first place. Pre-emptively shutting down that sort of criticism is nothing more than a way to protect the Pat Boone version of "privilege" and since I think the term can be useful I'll be calling out the shitheads who misappropriated it until it means something again. Kristov posted:You may have stumbled into a good point here. In some ways the goalposts have shifted to the point where you have to belittle imaginary minorites (rather than, y'know, real ones like black people or jewish people) in order to stroke that hate boner. This is a good example of what I'm talking about, the viewpoint that criticism can only be drawn by hate. This is the same tactic that cults and domestic a users use to discourage people from listening to outside criticism. And let's be clear here, you're associating hatred with those making fun of obvious lunatics in a specific internet community, you're not talking the loving klan or Clive Bundy or the Republican Party here, you're talking about people who make fun of insane narcissists who think their dragon dildo makes them a oppressed minority. Those people are lunatics that are out of the ordinary even to the kind of people who buy dragon dildoes. Bifner McDoogle fucked around with this message at 15:25 on Jun 27, 2014 |
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Bifner McDoogle posted:Words words words and then dragon dildoes. You want me to go grab some canvas to help you with all that projecting? ^^^ Because if they can't make the conversation about them, then they gotta spike the ball with this bizzarre version of an argument towards solipsism. Kristov fucked around with this message at 16:23 on Jun 27, 2014 |
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SedanChair posted:How did this discussion get turned into another SJW tumblr shitshow anyway? It's an easy way to derail a conversation about race. I'll admit I had my part in it, but I was more so trying to call out the people using the term in order to silence minorities/people calling for change.
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The only reason a white person would care about racial issues is because they're a tumblr SJW. The only reason that a black person would talk about their experiences is because they're a tumblr SJW. Furthermore, tumblr SJW's prevent potentially likeminded people from caring about racism, because they're so silly. Additionally, Tumblr Sjw. Tumblr Sjw. Tumblr Sjw! Tumblr? Sjw.
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i just want to come in here and say in no uncertain terms which i might post over and over again i fucken hate tubmlr i fucken hate tumblr
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Gantolandon posted:He presents racism as the insidious enemy that's everywhere - and if you don't see it, it's only because it makes you blind to its presence. This makes dismissing anyone who criticizes the article in any way incredibly easy. If you disagree with any of his claims, you automatically are proven wrong - because it only means you're too racist to perceive how bad your society is. He's right, though. This part is literally one hundred percent correct. It's not just a tactic for dismissing arguments, it's verifiably accurate, and you deserve to be dismissed when you come at them with "well, as a white person I've never noticed any of this stuff, therefore you're wrong about racism". Kristov posted:You may have stumbled into a good point here. In some ways the goalposts have shifted to the point where you have to belittle imaginary minorites (rather than, y'know, real ones like black people or jewish people) in order to stroke that hate boner. I don't even see anything wrong with "voluntary" minorities complaining about oppression. While it's not on the same level as the more widespread minorities, they do face actual hatred as a result of their totally harmless beliefs or physical condition. The only real difference is that hating people for something they weren't born with is still considered socially acceptable. Do I support their cause? Not necessarily, but an otherkin who gets fired from his job because he told his boss about how he thinks he was Goku in a past life has the right to complain about how society doesn't accept him or his beliefs, even if they're stupid ridiculous beliefs. Is discrimination based on mental illness even illegal?
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Main Paineframe posted:Is discrimination based on mental illness even illegal? Technically it's illegal, but like all other anti-discrimination law the onus is on the discriminated person to prove that they're both mentally ill (which means they have to fit in a rather narrow definition for mentally ill and provide a ton of documentation) and that that's the reason why they were discriminated against.
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SedanChair posted:How did this discussion get turned into another SJW tumblr shitshow anyway? There was that "alternative identities" thread but this one started out discussing actual black people talking about actual racism. It's hard to rebut actual black people talking about racism so instead you just say "At least one idiot on Tumblr exists therefore progressives are shrill poseurs so stop talking about discrimination, you don't want to be a shrill poseur do you?"
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Main Paineframe posted:He's right, though. This part is literally one hundred percent correct. It's not just a tactic for dismissing arguments, it's verifiably accurate, and you deserve to be dismissed when you come at them with "well, as a white person I've never noticed any of this stuff, therefore you're wrong about racism".
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VitalSigns posted:How do you do this when people are racist and vote for racist politicians who want to preserve systemic race-based discrimination? It also might be that black people in America can thrive despite the feelings of whites, and that while trying to educate the white populace is admirable, it's probably not going to work. It might be that a better use of time and political capital could be spent on organizing to make concrete improvements in people's lives, which would also entail building alliances and not really caring so much what Bubba thinks since he would be defeated politically if this strategy proves successful - and there are historical examples where it did. But going back to this for a second: quote:"That’s why the best way to combat racism in the face of selective attention and situational racism is to seek it out every minute of every day and expose every instance we find. And not just racism, but also sexism, homophobia and every other kind of injustice that lessens the principles of inclusion that define this country." If you're always worrying about what other people think or possibly think, you'll get yourself to the point where you won't even be able to go outside without having a panic attack, you know? (As the most extreme Tumblr types do actually.) I mean, do we really need to be on guard all the time against -- as Kareem Abdul-Jabbar argues -- the likes of Paula Deen, Cliven Bundy and Don Imus? Are these the real foes standing in the way of progress today? I'm inclined more to believe that these people are creations of a media-outrage machine and 24/7 news cycle that is taking us all for a collective ride. Why should we care what any of these bullshit celebrities think anyways? You know we have a black incarceration rate six times higher than the national average, but don't let that get in the way of focusing your efforts on demanding Gary Oldman apologize for gasbag comments to Playboy. I just don't think that's a constructive use of anyone's time. And true, I'm not black and can't speak about what it's like to be black and so forth. But there are a lot of black people who write and say similar things about race as to what I'm saying about homophobia and about race. Not every member of all the minorities think the same things. BrutalistMcDonalds fucked around with this message at 21:34 on Jun 27, 2014 |
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twodot posted:"racism as the insidious enemy that's everywhere" is certainly true. "if you don't see it, it's only because it makes you blind to its presence" is possibly true, but a pretty bad assumption. Racism is a real thing that has real bad effects on our society. This is convenient, because it means when people doubt it is real, we can directly provide evidence that it exists. Telling people who don't think racism exists that they are ignorant dirtbags is true, and possibly fun, but you can't claim that it's an effective argument for the existence of racism. It's not really about convincing individual racists, because if that were the goal the Civil Rights movement, heck the Abolitionist Movement, would never have been successful. White people on an individual level are really reluctant to budge on most things in regards to race relations (and, tbf, hold little power in most cases to combat racism other than being a decent person, which is way easier to just not be thanks to the way white society's structured) and success more so comes from shouting loud enough that the government/mainstream media hears you, not convincing Joe Billy Bob the Redneck that he can't keep calling his son's best-friend "that coon kid". Joe Billy Bob will probably always be a racist, his kids will probably have tons of racist tendencies, this will go on for generations as has been the case with white families since this whole mess started. What can change, at least change in a meaningful way that we can readily measure, is how the government and media shapes their policy in regards to race. If you're a white dude or lady who isn't a racist shitbag then that's nice and cool, but it won't mean much without action from up top so excuse me if I don't stop to try to make every white person feel good about themselves whenever racechat comes up. Telling people that they don't see the racism because they are privilege-blinded and ignorant is the hard truth and I dunno what else to say to someone who refuses to believe that racism still exists/actively harms millions of Americans. Like, gently caress them, why quibble over how to approach or speak to them? Too many conversations about race end up being about how we can best explain things to whites while not hurting their feelings. MLKQUOTEMACHINE fucked around with this message at 18:53 on Jun 27, 2014 |
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twodot posted:"racism as the insidious enemy that's everywhere" is certainly true. "if you don't see it, it's only because it makes you blind to its presence" is possibly true, but a pretty bad assumption. Racism is a real thing that has real bad effects on our society. This is convenient, because it means when people doubt it is real, we can directly provide evidence that it exists. Telling people who don't think racism exists that they are ignorant dirtbags is true, and possibly fun, but you can't claim that it's an effective argument for the existence of racism. The problem here is the contrast between "verifiably accurate" and "we should dismiss people who disagree". If you are dismissing disagreement, you are not verifying the accuracy, this is an ok strategy as far as I'm concerned, but putting those things next to each other is weird. We do have evidence that it exists. People who disagree are being dismissed because they're intentionally ignoring or dismissing that evidence in favor of their own personal, anecdotal observations or convictions. It's no different from climate change deniers - they're ignoring or dismissing the overwhelming evidence that climate change exists because they don't want to believe that it exists, they don't want to believe they're complicit in it, or they believe in an ideology which requires it to be false. And when they're inevitably shrugged off as cranks unwilling to engage in good science, they similarly claim that the scientific community is just promoting dogma and dismissing disagreement. In either case, it's not just "dismissing disagreement", it's dismissing people who go against overwhelming evidence solely because that evidence contradicts their raw ideology or gut feelings, because it's impossible to meaningfully engage with those people.
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Main Paineframe posted:He's right, though. This part is literally one hundred percent correct. It's not just a tactic for dismissing arguments, it's verifiably accurate, and you deserve to be dismissed when you come at them with "well, as a white person I've never noticed any of this stuff, therefore you're wrong about racism". I didn't say anything like that and still got accused of trying to silence the minorities. rudatron disagreed with the notion that exposing racism at individual level is really a good tactics and got the same treatment. It's pretty much a standard in social justice threads - accusations of unconscious or even overt racism are thrown at flimsiest pretexts imaginable. Main Paineframe posted:We do have evidence that it exists. People who disagree are being dismissed because they're intentionally ignoring or dismissing that evidence in favor of their own personal, anecdotal observations or convictions. It's no different from climate change deniers - they're ignoring or dismissing the overwhelming evidence that climate change exists because they don't want to believe that it exists, they don't want to believe they're complicit in it, or they believe in an ideology which requires it to be false. And when they're inevitably shrugged off as cranks unwilling to engage in good science, they similarly claim that the scientific community is just promoting dogma and dismissing disagreement. In either case, it's not just "dismissing disagreement", it's dismissing people who go against overwhelming evidence solely because that evidence contradicts their raw ideology or gut feelings, because it's impossible to meaningfully engage with those people. Show me this "overwhelming evidence" Kareem Abdul-Jabbar's article supposedly contained. He presented statistics how many whites believe in racism and claimed they actually are wrong and can't spot racism anyway. The problem with the people who ultimately get the badge of SJWs is that they usually don't bother to back up their claims, instead of just telling the adversary to shut up. Compare this thread to the climate change ones - it's apples and oranges. The latter has people actually posting climate-related data, debating deniers (even those annoyingly persistent) and discussing possible methods of remedying the problem without having a fistfight every time there is a disagreement (nuclear power vs renewable energy, for example). This thread and other racism-related ones consist mostly of the same group of people telling everyone how they don't know poo poo and should shut the gently caress up.
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