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It's not bad for a white person to have pride in their heritage and culture. Publicly expressing said pride is at best gauche and at worst signifies affiliation with white supremacists so you shouldn't do it.
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Using the term SJW as a slur is on par with expressing your affiliation with "white pride" or "men's rights". It doesn't necessarily make you a priveleged rear end in a top hat but it sure makes you hard to distinguish from one.
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Jun 19, 2014 01:57
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enbot posted:Like shocker, maybe both statements : "White people oppress blacks in America" and "black people steal TVs" are awful things to say and any attempt to justify either statements should be repulsive to any thinking person. The latter statement reinforces racist stereotypes through hyperbole. The former statement raises awareness about the extent of racism in america with hyperbole. I think racist stereotypes are repulsive, but raising awareness of racism in America is not. Do you think raising awareness of racism in America is repulsive? Or do you think that making statements that are not perfectly accurate is more repulsive than racism itself? Thinking people want to know.
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Jun 19, 2014 04:01
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VitalSigns posted:I don't know that this thread is the best place to debate affirmative action, but the usual response to this is that making it race-blind and solely based on socio-economic status privileges white people because they are advantaged compared to black people of equal socioeconomic status. Yes, it's predicated on the assumption that the only oppression people of color experience is due to poverty. And while poverty is a significant source of oppression, it is not the only one-- actual, measurable racism exists today. I have no problem with additional affirmative action programs based on class, but suggesting that race-based affirmative action needs to be replaced with class-based affirmative action creates a false dichotomy which obscures the existence of contemporary racism. A Buttery Pastry posted:Most black kids can kick rear end at a "my family is poorer than yours!" competition, so they would have a significant advantage here. Hell, if a white person comes from a family poor enough that it economically fits in with black families, is it really that big a tragedy if they get to take advantage of affirmative action? Yes, it would be better if it went to the black version of that person, but if the alternative is the kid of a rich African guy? The kid of a rich African guy is still oppressed compared to his rich, white peers. The answer to helping poor white people is to implement class-based AA in addition to race-based AA, not to replace one with the other. That way rich black and poor white kids both get AA, and poor black kids get even more AA, which makes sense because they're the most oppressed. JeffersonClay fucked around with this message at 18:28 on Jun 19, 2014 |
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Jun 19, 2014 18:18
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quote:Sure, rich black kids don't have it as good a rich white kids, but are they really so bad off that even their wealth can't compensate for it compared to the average person? If the two were to be combined, increasing wealth really should severely taper off race-based AA, so the black skin of rich African immigrants won't trump the wealth-based disadvantage of pretty much everyone else (other black people excluded) automatically. You seem to have the assumption that economic oppression has a significantly greater impact than racial oppression, and thus AA spent on a rich black person is wasted. I'm not convinced. https://www.princeton.edu/~pager/ASR_pager_etal09.pdf quote:These applicants were given equivalent résumés and sent to apply in tandem for hundreds of entry-level jobs. Our results show that black applicants were half as likely as equally qualified whites to receive a callback or job offer. In fact, black and latino applicants with clean backgrounds fared no better than white applicants just released from prison. http://www.cepr.net/documents/black-coll-grads-2014-05.pdf quote:In 2013 (the most recent full year of data available), 12.4 percent of black college graduates between the ages of 22 and 27 were unemployed. For all college graduates in the same age range, the unemployment rate was 5.6 percent. Class-based AA won't do anything to disrupt these patterns. JeffersonClay fucked around with this message at 19:27 on Jun 19, 2014 |
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Jun 19, 2014 19:25
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A Buttery Pastry posted:This assumes they get their job by handing out resumes, not through connections made while in school. The first study assumes this, and finds that people of color are half as likely to get a response as a white peer when handing out resumes. Thus, racism is real and measurable. The second study does not assume this, and measures post-college employment regardless of the method used to secure this employment, and finds that black recent college graduates are more than twice as likely to be unemployed than white recent college graduates. Thus racism is real and measurable.
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Jun 19, 2014 21:37
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I'm pretty sure that black guy hung himself from a tree for attention.
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Jun 20, 2014 06:42
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The word we should use to describe white people being harmed by the prejudice of non-white people is "outlier". No more, no less.
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Jun 23, 2014 04:47
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rudatron posted:That is what happens when simply sharing experiences is 'the best' kind of social action. Experiences are useless, everyone has them and no one other than you really cares about your experiences. Real progress can only be achieved by a broad challenging and reformation of social truths, which must start from a view of common interest. Sharing experiences is a necessary precondition to recognizing common interests.
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