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Wrageowrapper
Apr 30, 2009

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I'm pretty sure a number of the authors mentioned so far like Chandler are genre writers as well tbh.

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Wrageowrapper
Apr 30, 2009

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I think I need to be a bit more careful when I buy translated books. I recently purchased a collection of Rumi without knowing anything about it him at all. While reading it I noticed that it all seemed rather modern for a 14th century Persian. Looking into it the "translator", Coleman Barks, simply updated already translated poems into something the average modern American could understand without scaring them by mentioning Islam. I was really enjoying it up until then but this sort of soured me a little. Is this a good way to translate poetry? How do you go about researching a translated text and what makes you chose one version over another?

Wrageowrapper
Apr 30, 2009

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A human heart posted:

I can't say I know anything about the poems of Rumi in particular but I think you should probably avoid translations aimed at the average american

Totally agree but the bastards didn't advertise that on the back of the book.

Wrageowrapper
Apr 30, 2009

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CestMoi posted:

Finding out what translation you like is entirely about feel. You read a bit of a few different ones online and go with the translation you feel like you could read for however long the book is. Poetry is hell to translate and no matter what version you choose there will be someone saying it's a disgrace to the original so basically don't worry about it beyond whatever criteria you set yourself.

Maybe avoid second hand translations that seek to make Sufi mysticism accessible to the average American in future tho

Noted.
I guess my main problem is that I didn't research anything before picking it up and just trusted the text to be genuine because its in a published book which is very naive of me. May this be a lesson to all others (or maybe its just me who is the idiot).

Having said all of this I do have to say that it is very nice poetry.

Wrageowrapper
Apr 30, 2009

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I read All Quiet on the Western Front for the first time this year and thoroughly loved every moment of it but this whole translation thing has made me really paranoid. Maybe I should just learn all the worlds languages and be done with it.

Wrageowrapper
Apr 30, 2009

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I organise my books by how into anime I think the authors would be. Still trying to figure out where to put the Bible though.

Wrageowrapper
Apr 30, 2009

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Does the Dante Inferno video game have a scene where a group of gay guys are forced to walk in circles until they stop being gay?

Wrageowrapper
Apr 30, 2009

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If you pick up a collection of poetry do you like to read it from cover to cover finishing it before starting something else, read it here and there, or just read the poems in any order without worrying about reading them all? I've been thinking about picking up a collected Wordsworth but its like 1000 pages and I just don't know if I can manage that much early 19th century Romanticism.

Wrageowrapper
Apr 30, 2009

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Krankenstyle posted:

can we critique the pornography too because im into that

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DQV4DMqMPqM

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Wrageowrapper
Apr 30, 2009

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I just started reading On the Road (because i'm a crazy person), can I get a chronological list of all the hate crimes Jack Kerouac committed so I can properly contextualise his work.

But in all seriousness if I hated Naked Lunch will I also dislike this?

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