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ulvir
Jan 2, 2005

V. Illych L. posted:

heidegger makes up his own language and terms which he proceeds to use competently

that problem isn't the use, it's that he means something very particular by every one of his terms (and sometimes those terms have other, more popular meanings) and you have to really know exactly what he means for it to work, and he has a bad habit of stating what he means once in the passing and then just moving on

gently caress heidegger, but at least he's better than hegel

And unsurprisingly, since Gadamer was a student of his, he adopted Heidegger's style.

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ulvir
Jan 2, 2005

CestMoi posted:

PEople that like Infinite Jest: why do you think this book is good because I'm reading it and I don't think it's very good.

This is a serious question and I promise protection from trolling for the duration of your answer(s).

the book would be great if DFW scrapped 90% of it and made a a couple of novellas about the AA meetings and the Crazy Canucks instead,

ulvir
Jan 2, 2005

My local library has both versions of Dictionary of the Khazars at hand. I think I'm going to borrow the feminine version.

ulvir
Jan 2, 2005

End Of Worlds posted:

cmon man don't make everyone google it

ulvir
Jan 2, 2005

i'm reading inherent vice now, and I kinda regret this not being my first pynchon book. I'm only 1/4th in, but it feels a lot better than the crying of lot 49. not that the latter's bad, just if things continue as they do, a lesser book than inherent vice

ulvir
Jan 2, 2005

invisible cities is boss

ulvir
Jan 2, 2005

I've got like 14% left and I still dig it, but pynchon really loves sex scenes and blazing it. probably would've finished it yesterday but sadly this flue has left me a bit under the weather

ulvir
Jan 2, 2005

AYC posted:

So my takeaway from this thread is that genre fiction is distinguished from more sophisticated stuff by quality of writing?

I'd say it's also got a lot to do with its adherence to/restrictions by the genre's rules and boundaries. regardless if the author chooses to subvert your expectations or whatever, you can pretty much go straight to a fantasy shelf and know almost exactly what you'll get without even reading the paratext.

ulvir
Jan 2, 2005

McCarthy's usage of the N word in Blood Meridian was very tarantinoesque (or maybe it's the other way around, considering publication date). Using it in the text proper I can understand, keeping a narrative/dialogue style reminiscent of the 1800s and whatnot. but when it popped up in the freaking chapter titles, I could just imagine him having some sort of poo poo-eating grin on his face, like "yeah, I used this word. whacha gon' do about it, chump"

ulvir
Jan 2, 2005

Borneo Jimmy posted:

So that bothered you but not his depiction of Native Americans as howling bloodthirsty savages?

I didn't say it bothered me, I just said that the non-diegetic usage was a bit unneccessary. I can't recall if the same happened with native americans re: their depictions in the book, but if so than that's equally pointless (and maybe even worse)

ulvir
Jan 2, 2005

J_RBG posted:

Never thought about this before. Are chapter headings really non-diegetic?

I assumed they were, but I might just be an idiot. Maybe there's a lit. theory prof or post-grad around who might set the record straight here.

ulvir
Jan 2, 2005

I just finished The Clown by Heinrich Böll, it was pretty good. lots of monologues about how the protag's ex-gf is a massive slut (book's words) for leaving him, and he dreams of ways to own "former" nazis

ulvir
Jan 2, 2005

Mel Mudkiper posted:

Ever read The Lost Honor of Katharina Blum? That is my only experience with Boll, although I do have Group Portrait with a Lady laying around,

no, this was my first Böll novel. is it good?

ulvir
Jan 2, 2005

Mel Mudkiper posted:

I liked it. Its scope is surprisingly narrow for a literary novel, but it still rings true 40 years later.

Burning Rain posted:

I c an vouch for it too. Also, "Billiards at Half-past Nine" is fun, dunno about the others, but I don't see why they shouldn't be good. His novels might be a touch too dramatic, but they're also great reads while not shying away from getting quite deep in some serious stuff. A bit like Hans Fallada or more literary Erich Maria Remarque in my memory.

Cool, I'll add it to my list.

edit: also added Billiards at Half-past Nine

V. Illych L. posted:

Yo ulvir, you a Solstad man? I'm trying to decide whether to pursue a thorough reading of his stuff or Fløgstad's next. Got anything in particular to recommend? I've read some of the more famous novels of both guys (re: Solstad I've read, type, Irr! Grønt!, T. Singer and Gymnaslærer Pedersens Beretning, but none of the newer books and nothing really obscure) - I'm currently tending towards Fløgstad, but if you have any must-reads from Solstad I'm all ears.

sorry, the only thing I've read of Solstad is his short story titled, well, «Novelle». Haven't read any Fløgstad either, I might need to rectify this at some point, on both accounts.

ulvir fucked around with this message at 15:11 on Apr 20, 2015

ulvir
Jan 2, 2005

Mel Mudkiper posted:

If I had a nickle for every time someone says "Subjectivity means literature is just your opinion" :pseudo:

like one of my professors said: sure, a novel is open to a whole world of interpretations, but only a few of them will be valid.

ulvir
Jan 2, 2005

Mel Mudkiper posted:

I just wish those people would realize how vast and fascinating the topic of subjective interaction with a text is. Its not "I say its good and that's my opinion and you cannot argue with it." It's "Here's how you as a conscious being interact with a text through the impossibly complex net of social, cultural and political influences that make up your own unique subject positioning"

not to mention your previous experience with other texts as well.

ulvir
Jan 2, 2005

I gotta get to reading that soon

ulvir
Jan 2, 2005

lol

ulvir
Jan 2, 2005

ulvir
Jan 2, 2005

yo good lit peeps. any recommended Firsts for António Antunes?

ulvir
Jan 2, 2005

Nanomashoes posted:

Well you should probably start with The Iliad and work your way through the Western Canon.

I don't think he wrote any of those, but thanks for the tip

ulvir
Jan 2, 2005

Earwicker posted:

Well I can tell you with certainty there is one great book that is absolutely Literary in terms of being hugely culturally significant, and also Exciting in terms of being full of violence, magicks, curses, slavery, genocide, dub warfare, monsters, and more major character deaths than Game of Thrones. that book is The Bible by God

I loved the story about the hippy who literally had his long hair as a source of his strength. the story about that socialist magician in the second book was pretty good too. the informer who tattled on him to the pigs was a jerk

ulvir fucked around with this message at 23:29 on May 29, 2015

ulvir
Jan 2, 2005

There's also Okami, a videogame based entirely on Japanese mythology and folklore, and it owns

ulvir
Jan 2, 2005

blue squares posted:

The fact that our fine OP has an anime avatar really takes away from the gravitas of this thread

cool ad hominem bruh

ulvir
Jan 2, 2005

Mel Mudkiper posted:

Literature thread. Light of my life, fire of my loins.

ulvir
Jan 2, 2005

Memories of My Melancholy Whores is a pretty good novella.

ulvir
Jan 2, 2005

Mel Mudkiper posted:

I thought this was blatantly his weakest work honestly.

Gotta admit, that and 100 years+Cholera are the only books I've read of him, but I enjoyed them all so that's why I recommended it.

Gonna take a not of your tips, though.

ulvir
Jan 2, 2005

Between the World and Me is just over :10bux: for the kindle edition. I think I'm gonna get it

ulvir
Jan 2, 2005

Guy A. Person posted:

I did cause the hold line at the Chicago Public Library was like 130 people lol

I estimate it'll take between 6 and 12 months at the very least before I'll see it (untranslated) in any book store or public library around here.

Mel Mudkiper posted:

Nothing worth reading exists before WWI

:troll:

ulvir
Jan 2, 2005

im reading the feast of the goat, and there's a part where trujillo pisses himself and gets really annoyed

ulvir
Jan 2, 2005

mishima ownsa nd everyone should read him at least once

ulvir
Jan 2, 2005

Antwan3K posted:

Brave New World is one of the worst novels of all time

it's not the worst novel out there, but it's definitely amongst the most overrated

the prose is absolute trash

ulvir
Jan 2, 2005

V. Illych L. posted:

it's not available in my city :(

it's literally :10bux: on amazon for the kindle version.

V. Illych L. posted:

i live in norway it's probably coming here once it's been translated. atm there's one shop in oslo that's got it, and i'm not going to oslo to buy a book

I bet my old jeans' left pocket that Amazon ship paperbacks to here too.

ulvir
Jan 2, 2005

the death of ivan ilyich is a good, short starting point for russian lit as well imo, but I also second bulgakov

ulvir
Jan 2, 2005

atlas shrugged. after reading it, you'll be frightened by how many fedora-tippers worship this trash

ulvir
Jan 2, 2005

Hit up some nobel prize winners, or grab some russian or german-language authors. They're usually not as challenging stylistically as The Khazars, Pynchon, and so on

ulvir
Jan 2, 2005

I need to read more of Fosse's plays. I need to read more plays that aren't Ibsen or Shakespeare in general, actually.

ulvir
Jan 2, 2005

V. Illych L. posted:

the trick of great children's literature is that it should be literature accessible to children but with actual substance - Lindgren legitimately does this, and has actual good reflections on the issues. the imagery and turns of phrase are all fairly straightforward, but it's no less present and no less powerful for that. jonatan's sacrifice is hardly explicable, but easily understood in the context of the novel. a complex, human situation is made approachable somehow. i don't know what more we want from our literature than that tbh

there's a tendency, and there has been for a long while, to assume that literature aimed at children can not be Literature, and i vehemently disagree. this attitude often ignores the real quality and content that exists in children's literature, also for adults. of course, there's an awful lot of dross, but that's the case in any kind of writing

There's some academics who actually takes children's literature seriously though. Maria Nikolajeva has some interesting writings on the historical developments of children's literature, for example.

ulvir
Jan 2, 2005

anyone read any books by Péter Esterházy? I picked up a copy of Not Art from the library on a whim because it seemed hella interesting.

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ulvir
Jan 2, 2005

Mel Mudkiper posted:

It may not surprise you to know that he planned to be a school shooter as a teen and had to talk himself out of it at the last second

this sentence is unironically the one to push me over the edge. which book do you recommend I start with

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