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Oh cool a bunch of new posts I wonder what ha- God drat, just one dude being an obtuse moron Love the moving goalposts too "Where have the complaints been for the last 75 years?  ""Oh, there have been complaints for 40 years? Well that still leaves 30 years of non complaints, check and mate libtards "
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Cole posted:If it's not the case then where were people at 20, 30, 40, 50, 60, 70, or 77 years ago when the name originated? Nobody gave a poo poo for almost 75 years and only recently has it become an issue. Why? "Thing People Care About," and, "Thing that is actually an issue" are not the same thing. See African-American Slavery 1776, Exploited Immigrant Labor 2014.
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e: Buuuuuuuuuuuuut that's a derail I don't want to make, so nevermind
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Probably Magic posted:"Thing People Care About," and, "Thing that is actually an issue" are not the same thing. See African-American Slavery 1776, Exploited Immigrant Labor 2014. Slavery was both of those in 1776 though. I mean, it's not like they sat down to declare independence and write the Constitution and decided slavery wasn't an issue. It was, quite literally and not at all figuratively, "we'll have slavery because right now is a terrible time for the civil war this is going to cause." Slave colonies were openly threatening to go back to English rule if they outlawed slavery (joke was on them though, the Empire outlawed slavery faster than the US).
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Jun 29, 2014 18:34
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Sash! posted:Slavery was both of those in 1776 though. Yeah a more accurate example is racism itself, because while one side was against slavery, neither side really did it because they though anything good about black people. Hell Lincoln himself was a white supremacist.
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Jun 29, 2014 18:46
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Sash! posted:Slavery was both of those in 1776 though. Hunh. You learn something new every day.
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Jun 29, 2014 19:01
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Sash! posted:If you changed an Native American chief into a Gallic chieftain to keep the Chiefs name, aren't you just shifting the "making fun of" to a different ethnic group? Its so sticky and thorny. You're completely removing context of nearly 600 years worth of history of oppression of Native Americans. You, a member of the dominant culture, can't have something "taken" from you to be used mockingly by a minority culture and have it mean the same as a cultural appropriation in the other direction. The Eastern European/poor Irish time on the lower rungs (Note: never lowest, they were still above all non-white minorities) of American society was comparatively a blink of an eye in comparison to the exploitation, denigration, and concentrated efforts to wipe out (Both physically and culturally) the Native Americans, which happened literally from the arrival of the first European. I don't personally feel that "Chief" is offensive, though I can understand how it would be to people sensitive to it's use as a culturally-acceptable "title" for any individual Native American. It could mean a position of respect and admiration, just as Aunt (or auntie) could indicate a familial relation of love and appreciation, but when used derisively to dismiss the status of any member of an oppressed minority (as both terms were used), it takes on a darker connotation.
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Jun 29, 2014 19:07
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Oh wow two new pages of discussion did we get more news? oh faaaaaaaarrrrtttt
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Jun 29, 2014 19:49
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lol "why didn't all these powerful native american groups raise a stir in the 40s or 50s?"
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Jun 29, 2014 23:52
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I just don't get why gay marriage is such an issue today, 70 years ago gay people could not get married and you didn't hear people bitching about it.
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Bruc posted:I just don't get why gay marriage is such an issue today, 70 years ago gay people could not get married and you didn't hear people bitching about it. Right? The world 70 years ago was just the the world today except men wore hats and women and colored knew their place. Thank you for opening our eyes, Cole.
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Jun 30, 2014 00:57
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Hey guys lets stop bitching about the lovely poster and just report him en masse so he'll go away. Cool. Parlett316 posted:http://cronkitenewsonline.com/2013/05/in-debate-over-redskins-name-is-the-r-word-for-racism-or-respect/ I feel sorry for this school. People think this has some correlation to the debate over the name when it actually doesn't at all.
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Jun 30, 2014 01:16
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I know people are going to want this thread to be locked soon, and I just wanna say I've thought the thread should be locked since page one. Let it be known that I've cared about the issues since the beginning
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Jun 30, 2014 01:19
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commy gun posted:Hey guys lets stop bitching about the lovely poster and just report him en masse so he'll go away. Cool. Eh, he's a dumbass who you guys spent the last two pages calling a dumbass, and it's dried up. Works for me.
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Jun 30, 2014 01:42
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Everyone knows the world didn't exist before January 7th, 1987.
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Jun 30, 2014 01:44
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GNU Order posted:I know people are going to want this thread to be locked soon, and I just wanna say I've thought the thread should be locked since page one. Yeah until that dumb argument it was almost entirely people saying "The Washington [insert lame joke]s!"
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Yeah, I think on that note, until *something* actually happens, I'm going to lock this.
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