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murphyslaw
Feb 16, 2007
It never fails
Sorry for the big woolly question, but I have a woolly brain to match.

So I'm beginning to grasp the argument against identity politics, that it's fractuous and self-absorbed in a way, especially in how it's featured in the crazier fringes of Tumblr. It goes without saying that certain groups (like LGBT, for instance, disabled people, or non-whites in the US, to toss out some examples) fight the good fight and deserve support. Banging on about 'identity politics subverting the class struggle!!' to those guys is being a massive rear end in a top hat.

I'm struggling with certain concepts however. Like this statement:

rudatron posted:

Individualizing systemic forces in terms of 'identities' isn't helpful and has massively backfired.


Can you elaborate on what you mean here?

I kind of get the argument you make, that because tumblr-type people don't know themselves well enough and can't interpret their thoughts and feelings about themselves properly (no one can), they are doing themselves a disservice when they define who they are from what labels they have stuck to themselves in the attempt to understand (and work against) systemic forces. And identity labels should not be used to construct personhood.

But how have identity politics backfired? Have you thought of any alternatives? And aren't these extreme tumblr people trolls, a bunch of kids with active imaginations, and a tiny nucleus of saddos trying to out-goodthink each other anyway? That is, they are ultimately irrelevant to actual social justice pursuits. Or do you think identity politics are an issue in real social justice? How so? Etc.

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