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Spazzle posted:Why have we collectively decided that some going through a sex change is ok, but someone who wants to be a wolf is fair game for ridicule? Well, because transgendered people are beaten to death on an alarmingly regular basis just for existing in the world. People who believe they're wolves aren't. Nobody cares if you believe you're a wolf. People in general care massively if you're transgendered and there are quite easily observable structures that oppress you if you are. What are the structures that oppress people who think they're wolves? It's not as if the general public isn't willing to simply let you get on with your life feeling and acting like a wolf. I mean, so long as you're not going around in packs and eating people. That you're not going to have a very productive life in human society if you conduct all your affairs as if you were a wolf doesn't mean you're being oppressed. But there's absolutely no reason of principle or pragmatism why being trans should mean you're treated differently from any other member of your identified gender, and similarly no reason why the genders should not be treated perfectly equally, so the same argument doesn't apply to trans people in our predominantly and hitherto affirmedly cis society. Sucrose posted:The concept of "gender disphoria" (as opposed to body disphoria) disturbs me. If someone feels content with their body, but feels that they were born into the wrong gender role, isn't the problem with gender roles, rather than that the individual was born the "wrong" gender? Yes, massively. If there was no separation of behavioural, emotional and cognitive norms between men and women, it'd be pretty hard to argue that those who might've been transgendered in the society in which we actually live could be identified. There might still be people who felt like their bodies were the wrong sex, but without the correlation between gender and sex and therefore the norms associated with having a penis/vagina, it seems doubtful that this would be hard for anybody else to cope with. Smudgie Buggler fucked around with this message at 14:27 on Jun 19, 2014 |
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