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CestMoi
Sep 16, 2011

Walh Hara posted:

I never understood the definition of postmodernism and every time I think I do I encounter a book that I'm surprised is (or is not) considered postmodernistic. For example, Eco states that the Name of the Rose is postmodernistic but I don't really understand why since it has little similarities with Cat's Cradle, Catch-22, White Noise, etc. I also assume that all Magical Realism is part of postmodernism but I have no idea if this is actually the case. The wikipedia page has a lot of words but makes the distinction with other genres look extremely vague.

That makes it a bit more difficult for me to recommend good books here, because I don't know if they fit in this thread. So I'll ask a question instead: which of the following great books would you consider postmodernistic?
- Blindness by Jose Saramago (I consider this one, simply because I consider it magical realism)
- Flowers for Algernon by Daniel Keyes
- The Curious Incident of the Dog in the Night-Time by Mark Haddon
- Deathless by Catherynne M Valente
- The Luminaries by Eleanor Catton
- Siddhartha by Herman Hesse
- Ubik by Pihilp K Dick
- Cloud Atlas by David Mitchell

Side note: Vonnegut deserves more praise. Cat's Cradle is the best book of his to start with in my opinion.

There's a few different postmodern y movements and a lot of disagreement about what it actually is. I personally wouldn't say Name of the ROse is very postmodern, the semiotics stuff is because postmodernism is big on semiotics and there's a lot of lovely Borges stuff going on but ehhhhh.Postmodernist literature is really anything yuou want it to be

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CestMoi
Sep 16, 2011

builds character posted:

I understand this is a serious literature thread, but mcsweeney's is wonderful for this, if nothing else.
http://www.mcsweeneys.net/articles/black-shoe-diary-the-daily-musings-of-shuruku-umezawa-junior-salesman-ninja

Very serious postmodernism thread with no tangents allowed

CestMoi
Sep 16, 2011

What/'s good by Barthelme?

CestMoi
Sep 16, 2011

Stravinsky posted:

Names of aurthors that a fun to say out loud: gaddis, delillo

THomas Ruggles Pynchon

CestMoi
Sep 16, 2011

The first chapter of Mason & Dixon is really good I'll keep everyone updated.

CestMoi
Sep 16, 2011

Chapter two is pretty short and isn't as good as chapter one, but it did a good job of introducing Mason and Dixon.

CestMoi
Sep 16, 2011

Falstaff Infection posted:

Yo, can we call House of Leaves postmodern? I know it's kind of like "babby's first metatextualism," but gimmicky as it is it's a hell of a ride and it was an awesome stepping stone for me into Pynchon/DFW.

It's a piece of poo.

CestMoi
Sep 16, 2011

People hate it because it's a piece of poo.

CestMoi
Sep 16, 2011

Lutha Mahtin posted:

Nothing sways my opinion on a book more than insightful commentary like "it's a piece of poo" and "it's just bad". House of Leaves was on my reading list but I won't bother with it now, thanks goons!

Sorry, it's a piece of poo, on account of the bad writing.

CestMoi
Sep 16, 2011

Jerome Agricola posted:

^^^^^ E: Any recommendations where to start with Bernhard (in English (or Finnish))?


I think The Loser is meant to be his best thing but I haven't read it myself :stoat:

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CestMoi
Sep 16, 2011

Hieronymous Alloy posted:

http://hispanlit.qwriting.qc.cuny.edu/files/2011/06/Borges-Pierre-Menard.pdf

If we're divvying books up into bins then I think Quixote is probably better categorized as "satire" but Tristram Shandy defies categorization.

My copy of Tristram Shandy categorises Don QUixote, Tristram Shandy and a few other books as part of the "literary Saturnalian tradition" which is a great phrase I have never heard any other person use

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