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So I'm giving the show a chance after marathoning The Last Airbender in five days and I'm already about to quit after seven episodes. I'd rather not get into an argument that you guys have probably had a thousand times, let's just say my opinions are my own. The real question is, does the show get any better and if that's the case, how long does it take to ramp up and is it worth the wait? E: that half assed "scream" Korea had as she fell in the pro bending arena was one of the best laughs I've had in ages. "Ahhh... ehhhhhhh..." MatildaTheHun fucked around with this message at 15:04 on Jul 27, 2014 |
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Alright, I just finished up season one, and it ended on an obnoxious sour note. So I guess I'm stuck.
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Jul 27, 2014 21:23
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pentyne posted:"teen romance drama" gently caress.
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Jul 27, 2014 22:06
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Hauldren Collider posted:I really don't think the fix-everything ending was a big deal. Disney does it in essentially every movie they've ever done. It's a kids show. This argument hardly holds up because relying on deus ex machina is never a good thing, and TLA managed to not be terrible for its whole run.
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Jul 28, 2014 01:21
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Just got through the Wan two parter and I got to say I like season two way more than season one. Each episode advanced the plot, which is a loving miracle as far as this show is concerned, the only negatives is that they introduced the robot twins that people I can't believe people take seriously in any way. They are so dumb, so uncreative, and so unrealistic as characters I just write them off during their first scenes when fat brother was trying to woo the girl. Steampunk water Iron man is also a completely stupid character that you guys like? Are you kidding? There's comic relief and having characters that don't make sense. But at least this season didn't open up with two episodes of an irrelevant athletic contest! It's like opening Star Wars with footage of Luke shooting wamp rats for half an hour. Also I've never really criticized an animated work for the quality of its animation. I've noticed the quality is lower, that's for sure, but do visuals impact the plotline in any way? No. (this is coming from someone who watched the original run of 12oz Mouse when they were 11, so I don't think I'm typical)
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Jul 30, 2014 00:46
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SpiderHyphenMan posted:You're definitely not typical, I'll give you that. My experience with season one is also entirely negative thanks to the horrible, terrible, loud, long, sad wet fart of a Deus Ex Machina ending where no one learned anything and everything was solved thanks to Avatar magic. If season two ends in a similar fashion then I might end up agreeing with everyone else. And I am damned sure Amon didn't die on that boat and I bet he's going to team up with the back and red kite thing because this show is bland and predictable.
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Jul 30, 2014 01:01
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E: ^^^ Aang didn't learn waterbending by making almost no progress until the last 10 minutes of the last episode of the season by punching water really hard. The lion turtle thing was a bit dumb, but it's not like he just suddenly figured it all out with no warning. There was at least minimal set up.Oh Snapple! posted:My favorite season 2 thing will always be absolutely everyone, both people who were enjoying it and those who weren't, going "No, no, they wouldn't possibly have Unalaq be responsible for the raid that got Korra's dad exiled. It's too easy and too creatively bankrupt, there's no way they'll do that." Hahaha I can't wait until I get to that reveal. Are you kidding? MatildaTheHun fucked around with this message at 01:28 on Jul 30, 2014 |
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Jul 30, 2014 01:26
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X_Toad posted:Oh yeah, Unalaq sometimes feel like even more of a sore point than Amon. That a guy who started as something of a well-made gray antagonist turned out to be a mix of Sozin's ambition with Ozai's personality, without any of the entertainment value, really didn't go over well for some people. Uhh... I might have missed it? As of now I am aware Unalaq is a dick because he campaigned to get rid of his brother after the attack.
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Jul 30, 2014 01:29
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ImpAtom posted:That was, uh, a pretty major part of the things that lead to Korra flipping out about what happened to her dad. I just went through Civil War Part 2 again, I had an internet outage and decided to go to bed rather than fix it. I must've replayed from the wrong spot, managed to miss about 5 minutes. Figures I miss the major plot point of the episode. e: Don't get me wrong, there's a whole hell of a lot that's going wrong with this season, but I'm not actively rooting against the main characters.
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Jul 30, 2014 01:52
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ArmyOfMidgets posted:A turtle touched his forehead and Aang suddenly grew the never-before-referenced power to make it so he doesn't have to kill anyone just like he wanted. How's there setup? Well they mentioned lion turtles before hand, and it happens at least five minutes before he uses it. I used the word minimal for a reason. Korra on the other hand, demonstrates the ability to move around like an airbender, then suddenly is capable of airbending strongly enough to knock someone on their rear end and out a window. And she doesn't even do the wavey airy action she learned in that rotating panel test, she just punches the air really hard and it works for no reason.
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Jul 30, 2014 12:09
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I suppose. There's been a problem for me in both series with how the Avatar learns bending. It goes from no knowledge, to basic techniques, to lifting a one ton boulder and sending it flying. It would make a bit more sense if there were more scenes like Aang learning from Jeong, just making a leaf smolder.
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Jul 30, 2014 12:43
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meristem posted:What do you mean by 'deconstruct'? Make an edgy reboot
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Jul 30, 2014 19:13
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I did watch all of season 2, it wasn't too painful. The deus ex machina ending wasn't as bad as season 1, but the bigger issue is that Jinora is the savior of the world, which sorta ruins the whole "avatar" business.
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Jul 30, 2014 20:35
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No one said anything about a giant Mad Max reference 
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Jul 31, 2014 03:26
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That uhh... won't happen. The only reason why I stuck through it is because I don't have a job for the next 2 weeks and can just absorb input like a sad rock. This show would be so much better if it had one villain like Aang had. It's a little bit of a let down to go from an event that happens once every ten thousand years that results in fundamental changes to how the universe works to... four dudes.
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Jul 31, 2014 15:40
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Ah, well at least the fault doesn't lie with the creators of the series. It's still a big problem.
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Jul 31, 2014 15:50
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ArmyOfMidgets posted:I think you mean that the show had one mayor conflict (the war) rather than one villain because Ozai was technically the big bad of the series and he's OKAY at best when it comes to villains, I mean he wasn't as boring as Combustion Man, but he certainly wasn't the best villain in the show when you got Zhao, Long Feng and Azula. I suppose I meant one conflict, rather than one villain. But I really thought the Anti-Bender thing would be sticking around for more than one season, it seemed like a cool thing to stretch out and really explore.
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Jul 31, 2014 21:37
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Those trees from Socotra were pretty neat
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Aug 1, 2014 15:33
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They were gonna do exactly what Korra did at the end of season 2, open up the portals and let the two worlds exist as one. But he also wants to destroy all nations and force the world into anarchy because the writers of this show want to tell kids the best thing in the world is the established order and never to get out of line. Also I'm pretty sure Henry Rollins isn't playing a character.
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Aug 1, 2014 19:00
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thexerox123 posted:Except for the fact that the main characters have willingly butted heads with a President and a Queen so far this season... she's been kicked out of Republic City, and the Earth Queen is after them, clearly they don't have any issues with getting out of line when it's with good intent. It was a joke.
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Aug 1, 2014 19:50
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Are all of you forgetting that this whole season is happening because they are in her airship? She's the wallet of the group. less laughter posted:This was a terrible episode. Exceedingly boring for the majority of its running time (i.e. until the cool fight during the final few minutes), overly talky (which isn't problem if anything that's being said is interesting, but there wasn't) and almost nothing of interest for Nickelodeon's intended audience. You can really see why they yanked the show right before this point and why this was the first ep not even getting broadcast on TV at all anymore. These writers are just hopeless. As someone who's watched this show in its entirety in the last two weeks, this is probably the best episode they've ever had.
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Aug 3, 2014 01:28
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QueerPope posted:Honestly I would choose Asami over Bolin at the drop of a hat. She's a cool woman who deals with her problems in healthy intelligent ways and givess Korra someone to not be in constant awkward conflict with. I liked Bolin at the beginning of the first season but his comic relief has overtaken his character and now he's more character flaw than character. It's most frustrating whenever he interacts with women, and the cringe-inducing moments make me direct my attention elsewhere until the next scene starts. Bolin did have some pretty interesting development in that a character in the show (Opal) tell him straight up to stop acting so awkward around women. Hopefully it stops. Asami and Bumi are both built around being nonbenders, having either of them become airbenders would be/is stupid.
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Aug 3, 2014 13:54
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Where are you guys seeing episode ten already?
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Aug 8, 2014 02:28
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E: ^^ Thanks, actually helpful person.Irish Joe posted:Where do you think? Probably a website of some variety, perhaps with a flash application that plays back video. Maybe you're all one person controlling several accounts taunting me, and exclusively me. Maybe you're all part of some secret club that distributes laserdiscs of television programs. Maybe you're all members of a cabal of secret cartoon watching billionaires wielding dark influence over the affairs of international politics. Maybe you're a group of wizards wielding powers beyond my comprehension and using them to watch children's cartoons. Are any of these accurate?
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Aug 8, 2014 03:52
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Genocyber posted:I still dislike they had to have Zaheer say darkness instead of death. It's only a single word but it just really took me out of the moment. That was one of the worst mental speed bumps I've ever had. I actually had to rewind to listen to the line again.
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Aug 8, 2014 20:06
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ImpAtom posted:Well, to be honestly, Avatar is literally nothing but Born More Special, for good or ill. The Avatar themselves is born the most specialist of all but benders are born more special than non-benders. It's kind of the Harry Potter problem where an entire class of people just sort of are legitimately better. Again, the biggest problem of Season 1 is that I sympathized with the Equalists. Could you imagine being some farmer that moved to the city for a job but can't get one because you aren't a bender?
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Aug 11, 2014 00:26
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seravid posted:I'm all for giving Zuko more screen time but Korra, you dumbass, guess who else knows Aang pretty well? His wife. One person is a few yards away, another is on another hemisphere.
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Aug 15, 2014 19:13
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Bongo Bill posted:On the other hand, it's a cliffhanger, and we all know how cliffhangers work. Really, the question is whether they didn't show it because it did happen, or they didn't show it because they only want us to think it was about to happen. We still haven't seen the Zaheer/Tenzen philosocombat scene, so I honestly doubt he's dead.
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Aug 16, 2014 04:46
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SpiderHyphenMan posted:Tenzin loving schooling Zaheer by showing him how a real Airbender does poo poo was philosophy enough. Zaheer uses the air to boost himself while Tenzin uses it to lift him up. A few shots in a fight with three other opponents is hardly the half-of-the-episode dialogue laden slugfest I'm imagining.
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Aug 16, 2014 06:02
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Ravane posted:If he can enter the spirit world, which Tenzin has done, he can choose to stay there. Iroh entered there and asked permission to stay before his body died, and the spirits granted his request. It's like uploading your soul to another computer, before your own computer goes bust. Trust me, my people know all about the interdisciplinary fields of computers, spirits and avatars. Are you forgetting a major piece of Tenzen's character is that he can't enter the spirit world? He walked in through the portal, which is kinda cheating, in a way. But if he ends up figuring out how to meditate into the spirit world while getting the poo poo kicked out of him, it will be a major flaw in his character arc at best.
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Aug 19, 2014 19:52
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Genocyber posted:No it wasn't you loving weirdo. The stilted pause was to convey the awkwardness of trying to comfort a depressed and enfeebled person. That was pretty hardcore queer baiting, sorry you can't see it. The way L'Pi died was, with no sense of irony, rad as heck.
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Aug 22, 2014 20:43
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Ravane posted:Have you guys noticed how the Ba Sing Se riots are JUST like what's going on in Ferguson? I wasn't aware that Darren Wilson is a radical leftist terrorist and that the city of Ferguson is ruled by an autocratic 18 year old. Really, what are you talking about? The events you're drawing parallels with have almost exact opposite motivations.
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Aug 23, 2014 17:50
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She's a master in a religious order that has existed for centuries, she's not getting her hair back.
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Aug 23, 2014 20:30
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She's going to keep her head shaved. Her "change" was to go from apprentice to master, and a better one than her father ever will be. She's the daughter of the man explicitly trying to keep it alive, who only hesitantly and after a full episode of focusing on it, changed his mind about rigidly keeping it to the old ways. She's the granddaughter of the previous avatar who is the only link from the present air nation to the past. If anyone will be keeping herself shaved, it will be her.
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Aug 23, 2014 22:00
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Mazreal posted:Avatar: The Last Airbender. Season 1 of Aang was a really good kids show. Season 1 of Korra was just terrible.
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Aug 24, 2014 04:07
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The climax of season one was Korra learning how to learn airbending (which during the entire season prior to this instant, was emphasized as a flowing, agile style of combat that you do not learn by simple physical force) by punching the air real hard. The whole season was a build up to a giant contradiction. e: Just because the specificity of language was funny: BrianWilly posted:Season 1 of Korra wasn't terrible at all. The same people bitching about it are the ones who were still gushing its praises six or seven episodes in. TheModernAmerican posted:So I'm giving the show a chance after marathoning The Last Airbender in five days and I'm already about to quit after seven episodes. I'd rather not get into an argument that you guys have probably had a thousand times, let's just say my opinions are my own. The real question is, does the show get any better and if that's the case, how long does it take to ramp up and is it worth the wait? Seriously, season 1 is basically a waste of time, the whole story has as much impact as one of the background stories of prior avatars. It's just nothing.
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Aug 24, 2014 04:18
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ImpAtom posted:No it wasn't. You said this before and it still isn't true. Korra spent the entire season building up to it. Everyone goes "well just punched the air?!" and ignored the episode where she managed to successfully meditate or the episode where she showed an innate ability to use Airbending movements properly. It was a deus ex machina but anyone claiming she just punched the air real hard and it magically worked with no buildup is ignoring the rest of the season. Her biggest previous breakthrough in regards to airbending was on the professional bending court, where she stopped, thought about it, and entered a zen state and began moving like an air bender. The scene we're talking about threw all those lessons away and had her learn airbending the "Korra" way, even though we were bashed over the head repeatedly that the Korra way is a complete failure throughout the season. I'm not attacking it from a logical consistency perspective, I'm attacking it from a storytelling perspective. I don't care about the fact that you can airbend in different ways or that lightning is fire+waterbending. The point is when you have a character learn that their techniques are a failure over and over and then they win anyway, they have learned nothing. The show spent the who season selling us on the point that Korra was wrong, she can't learn airbending this way and then suddenly in the very last second it just goes "oh wait no this time you're right good job". And that's just one way that season 1 is a wet fart of failed lessons. MatildaTheHun fucked around with this message at 13:14 on Aug 24, 2014 |
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Aug 24, 2014 13:09
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Golden Goat posted:What was the wink again? Also I like Bolin's jokes but the sock was really out of place. I did find it unfortunately appropriate that we started and ended the most serious episode with peak awkward Bolin comic relief. The sock and bird call scenes were so horribly out of place, though the sock on did do exactly what I've wanted someone to do to Zaheer since day one.
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Aug 25, 2014 13:41
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ShadowCatboy posted:Man that poor baby Sky Bison. Anyone else feel bad when they were all forced to pile on the little fella? They weren't there, this was a major plot point. Unless you're worried about those water blobs?
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AlmightyPants posted:The thing is, he had the power to shoot loving electricity the entire time. He's had it all along. It seems like electricity is a good hard counter to water. Fire, which never worked, was not. The only other times Mako uses electricity is when he's working at a power plant and that one time riding a car. It's abundantly clear that he is not a natural with it and needs to be still to do it.
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