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I suggest we replace all of the cops with robots. Robots that walk beats and are part of the community, and that will let me off with a warning when they catch me going 45 on a 40 mph stretch of road. Pros: They won't be lazy. They'll always follow procedure. They won't take bribes. They won't be racist. They probably won't shoot your dog and/or baby. Cons: This might happen https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rfl4PqIXIdg But that already seems to happen a whole lot anyways (especially if you're black).
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No that just makes you a reefer mad hippy.
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Jun 29, 2014 17:56
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XyloJW posted:Okay, the thread will continue as-is, but will have to check in with a probation officer regularly for drug tests. You know we're just going to get another thread to piss in the cup for us.
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Jun 29, 2014 22:52
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Enid Coleslaw posted:If you have problems with cops then maybe try not doing crimes? I haven't even spoken to a police officer since the last time I was arrested. I think more people are worried about the cops having a problem with them. See also: Every black person shot by the police for no goddamn reason.
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Jun 29, 2014 23:59
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Enid Coleslaw posted:Well what percentage of people shot by cops are shot "for no reason"? I don't think that's actually a thing that happens regularly. Sadly, data on police shootings in the U.S. doesn't appear to be collected by the FBI, who are the normal go to for this sort of data. They also don't have any racial breakdowns for crimes except 1 on 1 murders. DailyKos asserts that 136 unarmed black people were killed by police officers, security guards, and vigilantes in 2012 alone. http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/07/24/1226172/-Police-Guards-Vigilantes-shot-down-136-Unarmed-African-Americans-on-2012 But I mean google "black people shot by police" and you shouldn't have a terribly hard time finding enough credible examples to realize it happens a WHOLE LOT. I mean unless you consider holding a cellphone or wallet or just kinda standing there to be a reason to shoot someone. Edit: If anyone knows where I can read some good data on police use of force and specifically lethal shootings, then that'd be pretty great. paragon1 fucked around with this message at 20:09 on Jun 30, 2014 |
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Jun 30, 2014 20:07
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I love it because it's turning the favorite argument of people who support a police state back on them. Why be against the cameras if you have nothing to hide?
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Jun 30, 2014 20:24
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Yeah holy poo poo fire the commissioner at the very least.
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Jun 30, 2014 23:26
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Okay SedanChair, I'm convinced. In the case of NYC, it actually would be better to have no cops at all than what they have now. Edit: How much of this sort of thing is the result of the politicization of police work? You know, official gets elected promising to be "tough on crime", puts pressure on the PD, PD has perverse incentives to gently caress around with reports and arrests, that sort of thing. Or is it more part of the culture? paragon1 fucked around with this message at 00:06 on Jul 1, 2014 |
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Jul 1, 2014 00:00
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It's spelled discretion.
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Jul 1, 2014 22:38
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Or they cruise around actually starting fires.justsharkbait posted:Robots are not the answer either because someone has to program them. Oh bullshit, how do you program in a racial bias that isn't extraordinarily easily caught? I mean really now! I think your just slandering our future iron enforcers of the law because you know they'll replace you. Also, consider this: We will not need to equip the robots with lethal force because it won't matter if someone starts shooting at them. Edit: I mean, we will anyway. This is America after all. But we won't need to.
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Jul 2, 2014 02:11
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Better to have a gang with guns that answer to appointed judges and elected officials than gang with guns that don't?
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Jul 4, 2014 05:00
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Good for you I guess?
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Jul 4, 2014 18:41
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Yes, please tell us the circumstances that would make nearly killing a child with a flashbang justifiable.
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Jul 5, 2014 23:14
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I assume he means in the eyes of the law.
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Jul 5, 2014 23:36
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Wonder why people came up with the phrase "You don't shoot a dog for barking." I mean, cops have pepper spray and tasers and hard blunt objects to strike with, but I guess that's just too drat hard to do.
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Jul 13, 2014 06:34
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People who take the risk that the dog running at them isn't a killer warbeast: literally everyone not in an active combat zone. I mean it's really not hard to tell pretty drat quickly what a dog intends to do. They aren't unknowable beasts from the beyond for fucks sake. paragon1 fucked around with this message at 07:45 on Jul 13, 2014 |
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Jul 13, 2014 07:40
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Ableist Kinkshamer posted:Cops don't have the luxury of assuming they aren't in an active combat zone. It boggles my mind that people who hate cops and see them as nothing but pure evil also have some kind of mental block in front of understanding why cops would be on higher alert than anyone else. I really don't hate cops at all but thanks for assuming that. Maybe, just maybe, a siege mentality isn't super conducive to law enforcement that doesn't shoot children while aiming for household pets.
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Jul 13, 2014 07:55
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You still haven't explained why a lone dog calls for lethal force. Why is a gun the go to as opposed to the array of other tools that police have at their disposal.
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Jul 13, 2014 18:07
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Ableist Kinkshamer posted:There seems to be an unstated assumption here that cops should treat dogs like little people. I hate to break this to you, but dogs aren't people. I understand that this is hard for some to grasp since they get so emotionally invested and attached to them. I'm not sure what you're talking about as far as other options (hit it with a baton? dog has successfully distracted you. pepper spray it? i'm not sure that would actually be effective in most situations). Way to completely fail to answer my question. Why is lethal force the go to for dealing with animals?
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Jul 13, 2014 20:36
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Rent-A-Cop posted:Cops are humans and if you give humans a gun and the authority to shoot pretty much anything they want with no consequences awful things happen. Thanks for stating the obvious. See my robot cop proposal is looking more appealing by the day, isn't it?
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Jul 14, 2014 09:56
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I mean in a just world the KKK would be listed as a terrorist organization and it absolutely would be illegal to be a member, but hey, racism.
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Jul 15, 2014 09:03
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Real crime rates would go way way down if we had decent mental healthcare available to everyone in the country yeah.
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Jul 18, 2014 01:50
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Cuntpunch posted:Your argument stops one step short and ends up blaming the sick for their illness. The gently caress? "How does, if the mentally ill had access to treatment for their illness, there would be less crime." translate into me hating people with mental diseases?
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Jul 18, 2014 05:18
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Cuntpunch posted:Because it implies that IF ONLY WE DEALT WITH THE CRAZIES. When that's not the fundamental problem at all. That fundamental problem is poverty and wealth inequality creating the sort of society in which problems - healthcare amongst them - nourish crime. Yeah man, saying "Mentally ill people should be able to get treatment so they don't commit crimes." is the exact same thing as saying CRAZY PEOPLE ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR ALL CRIME EVER ARGLEBARGLEBARGLE. No poo poo poverty is the fundamental problem. If you think me saying mentally ill people should be able to get healthcare means I somehow hate mentally ill people and blame them for crime existing, then maybe you should seek out a mental healthcare professional yourself.
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Jul 18, 2014 22:15
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How in the world is it tacit racism to say that black people should be able to get good jobs?  By your logic, the rest of the thread is actually pro-police brutality because they think the police shouldn't shoot unarmed people and want it to stop, because they aren't addressing the underlying issue.
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Jul 18, 2014 22:39
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Cuntpunch posted:No, the tacit racism by proposing crime reduction by targeting specific, largely vulnerable populations. Hmm, yes, I can see how giving aide to a group historically shat upon by a racist society, thus helping to relieve the poverty that causes some of them to turn to crime, is racist. I wait no I can't because that's loving retarded. Do you think reparations would be racist as well? paragon1 fucked around with this message at 23:48 on Jul 18, 2014 |
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Jul 18, 2014 23:04
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In your opinion Randbrick (and everyone else's too for that matter), why is it that becoming a prosecutor is a viable path to becoming a politician, and what effects does this have on our laws and the criminal justice system and by extension the police? The Democratic candidate for governor in my state has had attack ads against him for simply being a defense attorny, so the topic interests me. Does anyone know of any elected officials with a defense attorney background for that matter?
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Jul 19, 2014 01:43
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American voters, if I had to guess?
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Jul 21, 2014 04:57
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You get around civilian oversight boards rubber stamping police decisions by giving them investigatory and discipline powers, and then appointing people to them who are unlikely to rubberstamp stamp police decisions.
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Jul 28, 2014 03:18
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Obdicut posted:Right. Which goes to the "How do you appoint people to them who are unlikely to rubberstamp police decisions" problem, and we're outside the police realm and into politics again. How are you going to do that in a town that elects Sherrif Joe, for example? Now in a town that elects Sheriff Joe you might never be able to do that, because it is the town that elects Sheriff Joe. But in New York? LA? Detroit? Then you might get somewhere. But as you said, this is all in the realm of politics. I can think up possible solutions to possible problems all day, but the boards would have to actually be created first. I think just the prospect of having to answer to someone who isn't a police officer would get some good results.
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Yeaaahh don't read the comments.
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