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Public employees work with the benevolent hand of the government, how could their interests ever be disregarded? The only type of monopsonist that puts his employees first is a government bureaucrat, of course. Public sector unions account for more than half of the unionized labor in the US. Want to destroy whatever vestige of union power in the US remains? Get rid of public employee unions.
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meat sweats posted:If you're just going to admit that symbolic gestures in support of "union power" are more important to you than civil liberties and racial equality, then you are part of the problem. Public employee unions have existed since the 80's in many areas. Have we seen a massive uptick in police brutality since then? No, we have not. Texas, Georgia, Virginia, North and South Carolina do not allow public sector unions to bargain collectively. Are these states paragons of police conduct? No, they are not. Do we similar police brutality issues in European countries with public employee unions? No, we do not. Unions aren't the problem here. quote:That is how we arrived at the situation we are in with police and prison guards, not to mention why in California a judge recently ruled that teachers unions are a form of racial discrimination, since they have enshrined a system that creates failing schools in majority-black areas. Majority Latino areas, and the court ruled that state laws about seniority and firing were discriminatory, not unions themselves. JeffersonClay fucked around with this message at 00:39 on Jun 30, 2014 |
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Jun 30, 2014 00:34
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meat sweats posted:If you actually believe that police aren't getting worse or that there is no abuse in Glorious Utopian Paradise Europe, you're even more out of touch with reality than the people who think that protecting union membership is more important than protecting civil liberties. I actually think that police haven't gotten any worse in the states and countries which allow collective bargaining compared to the ones that don't, and I think that public sector unions protect a very important constitutional right-- the right to due process for their members.
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Jun 30, 2014 00:42
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meat sweats posted:Seems like there's a lot of thrashing around here from people who don't want to admit that a choice must be made between blanket support of public employee unions and civil liberties-oriented support of police reform. There's no evidence that a choice must be made. Do you have any data which supports a correlation between the states and municipalities where police officers have collective bargaining rights and police misconduct?
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Jun 30, 2014 01:09
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meat sweats posted:Pardon me if after sitting through the last Venezuela thread, in which the leftist brigade defended shooting into protests, detention without charge, and actual torture in jails by the police, I would rather side with the ACLU than the Z Magazine brigade on this issue. The ACLU doesn't think police unions are the source of the problem, here. https://www.aclu.org/criminal-law-reform/police-practices quote:Police Practices
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Jun 30, 2014 01:16
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Police Unions don't ever have the last word on disciplinary actions taken against their members. They provide their members representation to ensure that their members receive their constitutional right to due process.
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Jun 30, 2014 01:26
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I want cameras on police, but I also want those cameras to be hooked up to a centralized facial scanning database to find wanted criminals.
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Jun 30, 2014 05:03
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litany of gulps posted:The BLS says in 2007, about 1 in 4 cops were minorities. As an example, the LAPD is only 37% white (due to significant efforts hiring people of color) and yet still has very significant problems with racial profiling. http://www.scribd.com/doc/99227648/Racial-Profiling-the-LAPD Hiring people of color to be cops will make little difference if they've internalized the same racist notions white police hold, and work within the same racist institutional systems that white police do.
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Jul 1, 2014 22:05
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Does the presidential pardon power also undermine the rule of law? What about jury nullification?
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klen dool posted:I feel the same way with tobacco. I wish we would just flat out ban it, so that I wouldn't have to decide every day not to walk across the street and buy a pack. A significant tobacco black market exists right now just to avoid taxes, and banning it would only increase the incentives to smuggle.
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