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Dodgy Graphite
Jan 25, 2011

I JSUT WANTED TO BBE A MODERATOR

nutranurse posted:

Why would they fire him over that though? Isn't that just Australian homebrew? :confused:

Not homebrew, XXXX. Pissing in your own mouth is better than drinking XXXX.

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Okonner
Dec 11, 2008

by exmarx
I think we can all agree saying “The only time you look in your neighbor's bowl is to make sure that they have enough. You don't look in your neighbor's bowl to see if you have as much as them.” puts Louis CK on the wrong side of some important political issues today.

RuanGacho
Jun 20, 2002

"You're gunna break it!"

I've been thinking about making a local government and you thread for a few months now. Generally going over the forms that city councils take, who you should probably be complaining to when traffic lights don't get fixed. Maybe cover some other things like how you can get involved, the way public records are supposed to work and often don't. I have always found it curious how much people focus so much on the national level politics because it seems like worrying about the things we can change the least. If you want some perspective on what I mean, consider the change that the single city council member being a socialist in Seattle has caused. Any thoughts or comments on the idea?

Ogmius815
Aug 25, 2005
centrism is a hell of a drug

People in the US are concerned about I/P because of the US's close association with Israel.

Swan Oat
Oct 9, 2012

I was selected for my skill.
i kind of enjoyed the auspol derails because they helped me learn about australian culture

Mecca-Benghazi
Mar 31, 2012


fishmech, was fishmech your original name on SA? Because I still think of you as install gentoo

RuanGacho posted:

I've been thinking about making a local government and you thread for a few months now. Generally going over the forms that city councils take, who you should probably be complaining to when traffic lights don't get fixed. Maybe cover some other things like how you can get involved, the way public records are supposed to work and often don't. I have always found it curious how much people focus so much on the national level politics because it seems like worrying about the things we can change the least. If you want some perspective on what I mean, consider the change that the single city council member being a socialist in Seattle has caused. Any thoughts or comments on the idea?
I would love to know more about getting involved in local government so yes please

baw
Nov 5, 2008

RESIDENT: LAISSEZ FAIR-SNEZHNEVSKY INSTITUTE FOR FORENSIC PSYCHIATRY

Captain_Maclaine posted:

Have you read The Reagan Rhetoric: History and Memory in 1980s America? It's a good read on how Reagan used language and communication to so effectively win people over, and to what degree he believed his own bullshit. Also, the cover art alone makes it worth the price:


ha. this looks amazing.

comes along bort posted:

Lou Cannon's biography is okay, if a little too deliberately evenhanded.

might give this one a shot too unless there is a better suggestion

ReindeerF
Apr 20, 2002

Rubber Dinghy Rapids Bro
With reference to pants chat, I wanted to point out that here in Southeast Asia the goons pride ourselves on remaining pantless as a routine part of life. We probably also get statistically less done.

If you think about it, greater statistical probability of pants-wearing probably correlates with higher productivity (maybe also a higher propensity for colonialism), but also with lower happiness levels and longer working hours.

ReindeerF fucked around with this message at 07:15 on Jun 30, 2014

Discendo Vox
Mar 21, 2013

We don't need to have that dialogue because it's obvious, trivial, and has already been had a thousand times.

RuanGacho posted:

I've been thinking about making a local government and you thread for a few months now. Generally going over the forms that city councils take, who you should probably be complaining to when traffic lights don't get fixed. Maybe cover some other things like how you can get involved, the way public records are supposed to work and often don't. I have always found it curious how much people focus so much on the national level politics because it seems like worrying about the things we can change the least. If you want some perspective on what I mean, consider the change that the single city council member being a socialist in Seattle has caused. Any thoughts or comments on the idea?

I'd agree that this sounds fascinating and excellent.

Pirate Radar
Apr 18, 2008

You're not my Ruthie!
You're not my Debbie!
You're not my Sherry!

ReindeerF posted:

With reference to pants chat, I wanted to point out that here in Southeast Asia the goons pride ourselves on remaining pantless as a routine part of life. We probably also get statistically less done.

If you think about it, greater statistical probability of pants-wearing probably correlates with higher productivity (maybe also a higher propensity for colonialism), but also with lower happiness levels and longer working hours.

My impression was that the old-dude-pants-high thing came from the time right after WWII when they stopped rationing fabrics and suddenly the market was kind of glutted and people went a little overboard. So you got high-waisted pants with tons of pleats because it was so cool they could afford that much material again.

Wolfsheim
Dec 23, 2003

"Ah," Ratz had said, at last, "the artiste."
I've never seen it, but I've heard that the show that most consistently matches real-life beltway politics is Veep, confirm/deny

Technogeek
Sep 9, 2002

by FactsAreUseless

drat. I can't even beat you on "at least MY really good beer is from a local brewery" points there, because apparently so is yours.

Joementum
May 23, 2004

jesus christ

Wolfsheim posted:

I've never seen it, but I've heard that the show that most consistently matches real-life beltway politics is Veep, confirm/deny

I can confirm that it's really funny.

Brute Squad
Dec 20, 2006

Laughter is the sun that drives winter from the human race

XyloJW posted:

Speaking of which I need a new avatar. Someone give me a holler if something good shows up in the cartoons thread.

That is still one of my favorite edits to come out of the Political Cartoons thread.

BrutalistMcDonalds
Oct 4, 2012


Lipstick Apathy

Unzip and Attack posted:

Everyone's always blowing Reagan and his "rhetoric" and what not but aside from coining a few masterful terms like welfare queen, he wasn't some incredible orator. People worship him because the modern conservative movement absolutely needs a contemporary conservative figure to lionize and for historical reasons outside his control, he won by default. I mean poo poo, Reagan's own policies failed the 2008 "Reagan Test" that was supposed to be some pseudo-religious standard of devotion. It's not that Reagan was anything special, it's just that his target audience is made up of the worst scum in the country who willingly praise him for poo poo he didn't even do or say.
Yeah the conservative movement needed someone to lionize, absolutely. But Reagan spoke in very simple and plain terms that were easily understandable to ordinary people, and he had a flair for camp and drama. Then you look at the three preceding presidents Nixon, Ford and Carter and you can see why conservatives went all gooey for Ronnie. And I think people are nostalgic about the 1980s and Reagan benefits from that.

BrutalistMcDonalds
Oct 4, 2012


Lipstick Apathy
Oh I forgot the other thing. Reagan rebuilt the conservative coalition. The GOP's civil war today is in a lot of ways the breakdown of Reagan's coalition, I think. So he was a "great" figure in the sense of changing the alignment of American politics. But I think the main thing is if you think "Reagan was a giant dumbass why do people lionize him?" the answer is that his dumbassedness had a touch of genius to it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S5wHRryA2aw

And then you look at who he was going up against: Jimmy Carter and Walter Mondale? Blegh.

Edit:

Also LOL at the "great communicator" line at the end of this below. "Aw shuddup!" 'And then the heckler shut up forever...' Truly, Reagan was an inspiring president. And also the picture of him in a cowboy hat above the words AMERICA on the podium. You can't make this up. :911:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GEXOpm0H7QA

For reference:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AhHdy1kkinE

BrutalistMcDonalds fucked around with this message at 12:06 on Jun 30, 2014

ufarn
May 30, 2009

Omi-Polari posted:

Yeah the conservative movement needed someone to lionize, absolutely. But Reagan spoke in very simple and plain terms that were easily understandable to ordinary people, and he had a flair for camp and drama. Then you look at the three preceding presidents Nixon, Ford and Carter and you can see why conservatives went all gooey for Ronnie. And I think people are nostalgic about the 1980s and Reagan benefits from that.
He also followed Nixon who employed a person specifically to write his jokes.

Speechification and statemanship changed character.

Ballz
Dec 16, 2003

it's mario time

Technogeek posted:

drat. I can't even beat you on "at least MY really good beer is from a local brewery" points there, because apparently so is yours.

Only good thing to come out of Florida in recent years is its amazing microwbrewery scene. But worry not, our local Republican lawmakers are doing their best to ruin that too.

Ballz fucked around with this message at 12:19 on Jun 30, 2014

mdemone
Mar 14, 2001

ReindeerF posted:

With reference to pants chat, I wanted to point out that here in Southeast Asia the goons pride ourselves on remaining pantless as a routine part of life. We probably also get statistically less done.

If you think about it, greater statistical probability of pants-wearing probably correlates with higher productivity (maybe also a higher propensity for colonialism), but also with lower happiness levels and longer working hours.

I have no doubt that pants correlate with unhappiness in Thailand because the one time I went it was 95 degrees and 80% humidity and the sun was like a foot from my goddamn head.

I wanted to die and it is no longer surprising to me that your governance process is hosed -- your brains are being sautéed every day.

pig slut lisa
Mar 5, 2012

irl is good


RuanGacho posted:

I've been thinking about making a local government and you thread for a few months now. Generally going over the forms that city councils take, who you should probably be complaining to when traffic lights don't get fixed. Maybe cover some other things like how you can get involved, the way public records are supposed to work and often don't. I have always found it curious how much people focus so much on the national level politics because it seems like worrying about the things we can change the least. If you want some perspective on what I mean, consider the change that the single city council member being a socialist in Seattle has caused. Any thoughts or comments on the idea?

I would follow this thread an probably contribute a bit. Right now I work for a weak-mayor municipality and my colleagues and I generally love our jobs cause there's no political bullshit. We also love to make fun of the neighboring town, which has a strong-mayor form and a "toxic" and overly political work environment (according to a friend who worked there briefly) which has driven away multiple mid- and top-level employees in the past 18 months.

ufarn
May 30, 2009
Is the FCPA completely toothless nowadays like the SEC, or are there still corporations who get charged on occasion?

I was just reading how News Corp looks to avoid charges, much like Wal-Mart after their Mexican adventures.

R. Mute
Jul 27, 2011

Exclamation Marx posted:

most of the brit comics are left
*puts hand on your shoulder*

no

exmarx
Feb 18, 2012


The experience over the years
of nothing getting better
only worse.
most of the brit comics i like are left

TheImmigrant
Jan 18, 2011

ufarn posted:

Is the FCPA completely toothless nowadays like the SEC, or are there still corporations who get charged on occasion?

I was just reading how News Corp looks to avoid charges, much like Wal-Mart after their Mexican adventures.

FCPA has teeth these days. It's one of my practice areas.

ufarn
May 30, 2009

TheImmigrant posted:

FCPA has teeth these days. It's one of my practice areas.
What's the scuttlebutt on the Wal-Mart case? It doesn't appear to be closed yet.

pangstrom
Jan 25, 2003

Wedge Regret

Chantilly Say posted:

My impression was that the old-dude-pants-high thing came from the time right after WWII when they stopped rationing fabrics and suddenly the market was kind of glutted and people went a little overboard. So you got high-waisted pants with tons of pleats because it was so cool they could afford that much material again.
It's true that low-waisted stuff is more in fashion now than it was in the past, but also: as people age they tend to lose muscle (butt/hips that make your waist something you can hang pants off of) and tend to gain fat. So basically the new (relatively) narrow point in your trunk moves up from your waist up towards your nipples. You can try to buck the trend but if your body isn't up to it you'll just be like my late uncle whose pants fell down most every time he got drunk.

euphronius
Feb 18, 2009

Gentlemen, he is wearing sweatpants with a starched shirt and tie.

Red Dad Redemption
Sep 29, 2007

TheImmigrant posted:

FCPA has teeth these days. It's one of my practice areas.

Yep, and the numbers can be staggering, e.g.:
http://www.wilmerhale.com/pages/publicationsandnewsdetail.aspx?NewsPubId=95919
http://www.fcpablog.com/blog/2014/1/10/alcoa-lands-5th-on-our-top-ten-list.html

TheImmigrant
Jan 18, 2011

ufarn posted:

What's the scuttlebutt on the Wal-Mart case? It doesn't appear to be closed yet.

Bloomberg had an article about the investigation expanding to a few more countries. They've spent nearly half a billion on legal fees.

http://mobile.bloomberg.com/news/2014-03-26/wal-mart-says-bribery-probe-cost-439-million-in-past-two-years.html

Dreylad
Jun 19, 2001

God this such a great bit. Lee does a lot of political stuff, although it's usually in a roundabout way

R. Mute posted:

*puts hand on your shoulder*

no

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bmsV1TuESrc

Dreylad fucked around with this message at 15:57 on Jun 30, 2014

Mc Do Well
Aug 2, 2008

by FactsAreUseless

Exclamation Marx posted:

most of the brit comics i like are left

What the hell would a Tory comic even be like?

Soviet Commubot
Oct 22, 2008


McDowell posted:

What the hell would a Tory comic even be like?

Like this but British.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v_mQPvKXw3U

R. Mute
Jul 27, 2011

yes thank you for assuming i not only don't know stewart lee, but that i was in fact too lazy or stupid to even click the video exclamation marx posted.

McDowell posted:

What the hell would a Tory comic even be like?
stewart lee quite often talks about the stand-up scene in his shows and there's plenty of right wing comics he refers to by name. (roy chubby brown, i think) it's often the 'working class tellin' it like it is anti-pc i secretly hate blacks' type comics, but you've also got smug liberal gits like david mitchell or some of the tossers on mock the week/hignfy. i guess you could count clarkson as he's a big joke after all.

e: i'll admit that the famous ones generally are left wing because you can't really appreciate a good racist comedian outside of the context of a dark and ugly pub surrounded by men in denim jackets

R. Mute fucked around with this message at 16:18 on Jun 30, 2014

Dreylad
Jun 19, 2001

R. Mute posted:

yes thank you for assuming i not only don't know stewart lee, but that i was in fact too lazy or stupid to even click the video exclamation marx posted.

i wasn't linking it to educate you, i was linking the video for its content to agree with you (lots of british comedians/personalities ranting about political correctness) but let's get super defensive!!!

i didn't realize mitchell was part of that crowd though, that's pretty disappointing.

R. Mute
Jul 27, 2011

i apologise, dreylad-san

*bows*

Dreylad
Jun 19, 2001
I also really like this talk he gave about the evolution of stand-up in Britain and the US: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IrXVaytvJtQ

lothar_
Sep 11, 2001

Don't Date Robots!

R. Mute posted:

i apologise, dreylad-san

*bows*

:stonk: You can't do that on the Internet!

Pirate Radar
Apr 18, 2008

You're not my Ruthie!
You're not my Debbie!
You're not my Sherry!

lothar_ posted:

:stonk: You can't do that on the Internet!

Special rule for this thread only.

R. Mute
Jul 27, 2011

Dreylad posted:

I also really like this talk he gave about the evolution of stand-up in Britain and the US: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IrXVaytvJtQ
he also co-wrote Jerry Springer the Opera which was real good as well.

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Dreylad
Jun 19, 2001

lothar_ posted:

:stonk: You can't do that on the Internet!

r. mute has shaken the internet to its core by being a pretty cool and reasonable person

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