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teacup: Dec 20, 2006; = M I L K E R S =

poo poo way to start the month, get back from my work EOFY shindig to find out my 89 year old grandpa is in hospital for a stroke. Not looking good.

To keep it auspol friendly, he fought in ww2, and afterwards ended up running a business in Melbourne. He ended up being pretty successful with it and sold it to the people he had working for him for the lifespan of the business, and also operated a farm out in country vic as well but he didn't have time for it so just had the locals actually doing it. Always seemed to be so nice to them (grandma always saying he was too generous to his staff but he said it was important)

He had a self admitted poo poo view of anyone from japan after ww2 for obvious reasons, but in the 80s he took himself off to japan to go on a tour and ended up loving it. Totally changed his view on it. After that he had a much different outlook on everything, from his racial views, to views on immigration, to his politics. He voted green at the recent election and lamented that their was no true socialist platform party anymore as he had looked at a few in his heyday.

Hope you pull through grandpa, but if you don't, I just hope it isn't too bad. Despite anything he is an extremely proud man and I can't think of anything worse than being stuck in hospital for weeks with no hope or recovery

# ? Jun 30, 2014 18:21

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# ? May 5, 2024 10:13

slingshot effect: Sep 28, 2009; the wonderful wizard of welp

Good riddance to bad rubbish. Breakfast tv is defending Rolf Harris as 'a great Australian ambassador' and insinuating that everyone makes mistakes/things were different then.

Ugh.

# ? Jun 30, 2014 23:14

Bifauxnen: Aug 12, 2010; Curses! Foiled again!

Your grandpa sounds awesome teacup, and I hope he's doing okay.

I can't think of any good way to segue from that, but how was the irc channel last night? Wish I could've seen it, I was too busy to log in during Q&A when it was live. But I was watching later last night once I finally got my transcript done, and between the great audience questions and Di Natale just knocking it out of the park, I thought it was a pretty good show for once.

# ? Jun 30, 2014 23:17

hambeet: Sep 13, 2002

slingshot effect posted:

things were different then.

Wow.

# ? Jun 30, 2014 23:18

Vladimir Poutine: Aug 13, 2012

slingshot effect posted:

Good riddance to bad rubbish. Breakfast tv is defending Rolf Harris as 'a great Australian ambassador' and insinuating that everyone makes mistakes/things were different then.

Ugh.

Grossness aside, that's a bit of a weird PR gamble. If there's one thing Australians of all political persuasions loving hate, it's pedophiles.

# ? Jun 30, 2014 23:21

Gough Suppressant: Nov 14, 2008

Tokamak posted:

Mr. Chips, I hope your not posting on OCAU under 'chips' and responding to an obvious troll/lobotomy poster 'eightyeight'

"I have an Economics degree!!!!" says every 70 IQ bottom feeding internet poster ever.

To be fair most people with an economics degree max out at 70 IQ and are severe autists so it's plausible.

Edit: also how does bottom feeding relate to bubbling? Can Todd Carney turn up to USyd and get prior learning credit for a B.Ec?

Gough Suppressant fucked around with this message at 23:56 on Jun 30, 2014

# ? Jun 30, 2014 23:53

Those On My Left: Jun 25, 2010

So now we find out if diddling kids is a bad enough act to warrant stripping someone of an Order of Australia and a Knighthood.

# ? Jul 1, 2014 00:14

You Am I: May 20, 2001; Me @ your poasting

Liberals MP wants charitable statuses for environmental groups quashed

http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2014/jun/30/liberal-party-environmental-groups-charitable-status

quote:

The government is being pressed to alter the charitable status of environmental groups after a Liberal MP successfully argued to his party that the groups are not �real charities� like the Red Cross or the Salvation Army.

A motion introduced by MP Andrew Nikolic to the Liberal federal council called for environmental groups to be stripped of charitable rights, such as the ability to receive tax-deductible donations.

Nikolic, the federal member for the Tasmanian electorate of Bass, said the groups should not be subsidised for political activism, some of it which he claimed was illegal. The conference motion passed the motion unanimously.

�Real charities include the Red Cross and the Salvos,� Nikolic told the conference. �Believe it or not, organisations like the Wilderness Society, Australian Conservation Foundation, Bob Brown Foundation and all the environmental defenders offices around Australia are currently recognised as charities as well; the latter provides free legal advice to greens groups.

�The Bob Brown Foundation currently campaigns against the government and is soliciting tax-deductible donations to fund that campaign, while real charities like St Vinnies and Salvos struggle for donors.�

The conference motion states that �eco charities be treated as corporations under consumer and competition law� and �should not be eligible for deductible gift recipient status when advocating political issues�.

Nikolic said green groups had received �substantial government funding�, only to use their tax status to fund �activism which adversely impacts business and communities�.

The MP also called for changes to the secondary boycott laws which would ban campaigns against companies on the grounds they are selling products that damage the environment. In April, Richard Colbeck, parliamentary secretary for agriculture, said there was an �appetite in the government� for removing environmental groups� exemption from competition laws, which deal with such boycotts.

Nikolic said 13 environment groups were eligible for tax deductible donations, with many abusing this status to appease a �radical and extreme minority�.

"I moved the motion because I think the activities of these groups has been enormously damaging to our state of Tasmania, I think we�ve seen for far too long these groups undertaking activities like boot camps and engaging in political activism, illegal activism,� he said.

"We are a free society, where people can protest and have their say, but too often these groups attract concessions and donations, then engage in illegal activities. It�s just not right.�

The Wilderness Society, one of the groups targeted by Nikolic, said the move was a lurch to the �draconian right�.

Its national director, Lyndon Schneiders, said attempts to stop environmental groups campaigning �against environmentally destructive products and companies� was �illiberal� and �counterproductive�.

�History shows that responding to legitimate community concerns through increasing punitive measures fails and ultimately costs the industry. The spectacular collapse of one-time logging giant Gunns Ltd is testament to that. The coal seam gas industry should also take notice here.

�Liberal governments are re-creating problems by reversing forest protection, abandoning implementation of the Tasmanian forest agreement and taking the state back into conflict.�

Decisions by the Liberal party's federal council are not binding on MPs, but they do carry influence within the parliamentary party

Yes, let's all be like good charitable institutions like the Salvos, who have no history of child abuse unlike those EVIL ENVIRONMENTALISTS WHO HATE MY PARTY

And hey, maybe if Nikolic's party wasn't so quick with kicking the poo poo out of the poor maybe organisations like St Vinnies wouldn't be struggling for resources

# ? Jul 1, 2014 00:21

adamantium|wang: Sep 14, 2003; Missing you

# ? Jul 1, 2014 00:24

rudatron: May 31, 2011; by Fluffdaddy

Great OP pissweak, we're all counting on you

slingshot effect posted:

Good riddance to bad rubbish. Breakfast tv is defending Rolf Harris as 'a great Australian ambassador' and insinuating that everyone makes mistakes/things were different then.

Ugh.

I don't even think this is factually true. Like even when the english were settling australia, they didn't have a positive view of pedophilia.

They've simultaneously rewritten history, then asked people to contextualize in that fake history.

# ? Jul 1, 2014 00:37

Plasmafountain: Jun 17, 2008

Having read through the OP, jesus christ. In the UKMT we might bitch and moan but at least Cameron isnt way beyond loving sanity like Abbott plainly is.

# ? Jul 1, 2014 00:41

Pidgin Englishman: Apr 30, 2007; If you shoot
you better hit your mark

BCR posted:

This post may or may not have been on water and an operational matter.

If it was important I would have brought it up, but I'm just here not bringing it up because

There was only one catch and that was the Operational Matter, which specified that a concern for safety at sea was the process of a border control policy.

If there was danger at sea, you would not take the voyage. All he had to do was report it; and as soon as he considered it, it would be come an Operational Matter and would not be report-able.

The danger at sea would stop the boats, but if there was danger at sea than it was an Operational Matter and couldn't be reported. No one would take it if they knew of the danger; but if it was dangerous they couldn't know.

Abbott was moved very deeply by the absolute simplicity of this clause of Operational Matters and let out a respectful whistle.

(My apologies to Mr. Heller)

# ? Jul 1, 2014 00:58

Cartoon: Jun 20, 2008; poop

Finally a Bolt you should give a poo poo about :

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-07-01/protest-staged-as-new-probe-sought-into-coffs-harbour-teenager/5561910

quote:

Coffs Harbour protest over Coffs teen's death

Updated July 01, 2014 08:43:52

A protest has been staged in Coffs Harbour calling for a fresh investigation into the death of an Aboriginal teenager. The body of 19 year old Jordan Bolt was found in Coffs Creek in early April, days after he was last seen leaving a house party in Park Beach. Police compiled a report for the coroner, and no charges have been laid.

Dozens of people yesterday, Monday June 30, 2014 rallied in Coffs Harbour and marched from the creek to the police station. Jordan Bolt's father in law, Ronnie Carriage, said a deeper investigation is needed. "We get no communication with the police over this matter, this is why we organised this big protest and this rally," he said. "It's his birthday today, that's why we've done it on his birthday. We wanted the community to know that we're not happy with what's gone down, we want answers, we want justice for Jordan and justice for Aboriginal people. That's why we marched."

Mr Carriage said he and other community leaders are hoping to meet with detectives handling the matter in the next few weeks. He said if there is no satisfaction from that meeting the community is planning larger, louder protests. "If we don't hear anything in the next month, we've got another protest coming up," he said. "This one will involve a few hundred people, and this one will really push them, as we want proper answers. We'll put our point across in a different way this time, I'm not saying in a violent way, but in a different way."

Police said the matter is now with the State Coroner.

First posted July 01, 2014 08:43:52

"Beyond Parody.jpg"

Also the Arsetralian print edition had a really horrid story about Mundine's new indigenous education policy but the on-line version is showing a Rolf story in its stead. I tried to locate it but failed. Anyone else help out?

Great OP, Great Avatar.

# ? Jul 1, 2014 01:15

CATTASTIC: Mar 31, 2010; ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

slingshot effect posted:

Good riddance to bad rubbish. Breakfast tv is defending Rolf Harris as 'a great Australian ambassador' and insinuating that everyone makes mistakes/things were different then.

Who/which show?

# ? Jul 1, 2014 01:26

adamantium|wang: Sep 14, 2003; Missing you

quote:

Karen Barlow ‏@KJBar 4m

The asylum seeker who lost an eye in the #Manus Island violence in February is to sue the Federal Government and G4S @PercyKaren @abcnews

# ? Jul 1, 2014 01:45

DeathMuffin: May 25, 2004; Cake or Death

You Am I posted:

The government is being pressed to alter the charitable status of environmental groups after a Liberal MP successfully argued to his party that the groups are not �real charities� like the ~~Red Cross or the Salvation Army~~ the Institute of Public Affairs

ftfy...

https://www.ipa.org.au/about/donations

# ? Jul 1, 2014 02:28

Endman: May 18, 2010; That is not dead which can eternal lie, And with strange aeons even anime may die

Apparently believing in climate change is now a political stance you take on and thus not something a charitable organisation would ever do :v:

# ? Jul 1, 2014 02:37

Gough Suppressant: Nov 14, 2008

Endman posted:

Apparently believing in climate change is now a political stance you take on and thus not something a charitable organisation would ever do

The salvos were just protecting their non-political status by not taking a stance on pedophilia.

# ? Jul 1, 2014 02:39

Sparticle: Oct 7, 2012

Joseph Stiglitz with some crazy lefty opinions on investment, taxation, inequality and climate change.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-06-30/invest-in-people-infrastructure-and-technology-for/5561464

# ? Jul 1, 2014 03:23

Murodese: Mar 6, 2007; Think you've got what it takes?
We're looking for fine Men & Women to help Protect the Australian Way of Life.

Become part of the Legend. Defence Jobs.

Scrolling through GWV's twitter is just an endless stream of bad news for the Libs.

# ? Jul 1, 2014 03:25

tithin: Nov 14, 2003; [Grandmaster Tactician]

Murodese posted:

Scrolling through GWV's twitter is just an endless stream of bad news for the Libs.

Gwv?

# ? Jul 1, 2014 03:37

Freudian Slip: Mar 10, 2007; "I'm an archivist. I'm archiving."

Ghost who votes

# ? Jul 1, 2014 03:41

Mr Chips: Jun 27, 2007; Whose arse do I have to blow smoke up to get rid of this baby?

Sparticle posted:

Joseph Stiglitz with some crazy lefty opinions on investment, taxation, inequality and climate change.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-06-30/invest-in-people-infrastructure-and-technology-for/5561464

Purely in the interest of contributing to the public debate, that guy looks pretty Jewish. Look what the Jews did to Germany. Do we really want to that to happen here? Just asking!

# ? Jul 1, 2014 03:42

rudatron: May 31, 2011; by Fluffdaddy

Sparticle posted:

Joseph Stiglitz with some crazy lefty opinions on investment, taxation, inequality and climate change.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-06-30/invest-in-people-infrastructure-and-technology-for/5561464

Well, you see, making society more sophisticated, educated and technological (with the massively positive economic and social consequences that brings) undermines *~*personal responsibility*~*

# ? Jul 1, 2014 03:42

Ragingsheep: Nov 7, 2009

If they want to remove tax exemption status from green groups, lets remove tax exemptions from religious institutions too.

# ? Jul 1, 2014 03:43

Tokamak: Dec 22, 2004

You Am I posted:

Liberals MP wants charitable statuses for environmental groups quashed

http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2014/jun/30/liberal-party-environmental-groups-charitable-status
Yes, let's all be like good charitable institutions like the Salvos, who have no history of child abuse unlike those EVIL ENVIRONMENTALISTS WHO HATE MY PARTY

The Salvos get roughly half of their funding from the government. They are a good example of a business that shouldn't be classified as a charity.

"salvos struggle for donations" - Gets 150 million from the government....

# ? Jul 1, 2014 03:44

The Deadly Hume: May 26, 2004; Let's get a little crazy. Let's have some fun.

Endman posted:

Apparently believing in climate change is now a political stance you take on and thus not something a charitable organisation would ever do

Isn't the IPA a charity as well? What the gently caress do they do that's actually charitable?

# ? Jul 1, 2014 04:06

TheMostFrench: Jul 12, 2009; Stop for me, it's the claw!

Visited the official Labor and Liberal party pages today to see if I could get newsletters or something from them, see what kind of things they send to their members - I don't think the Liberal website will allow me to 'sign up' for news until I give them a donation. I'm considering giving them a donation of $0.00 but then I have to fill out my personal details for them (not like they don't have them through medicare or centerlink anyway I suppose).

Also, The Coalitions' 'Our Plan' document has been hilarious so far -

"Within five years I am confident that our economy can deliver at least one million new jobs..." The actual net amount of jobs at the end of those five years will likely be at a negative. They still have all of their broken promises and lies in writing here, comes in handy.

# ? Jul 1, 2014 04:16

iajanus: Aug 17, 2004; NUMBER 1 QUEENSLAND SUPPORTER
MAROONS 2023 STATE OF ORIGIN CHAMPIONS FOR LIFE

TheMostFrench posted:

"Within five years I am confident that our economy can deliver at least one million new jobs..."

To be fair, that says "new", not "more". All they need to do is fire everyone and then reinstate them as Casuals and they hit that target easily!

# ? Jul 1, 2014 04:24

Contra Duck: Nov 4, 2004; #1 DAD

TheMostFrench posted:

"Within five years I am confident that our economy can deliver at least one million new jobs..." The actual net amount of jobs at the end of those five years will likely be at a negative. They still have all of their broken promises and lies in writing here, comes in handy.

Yeah that's not something they're unaware of. Replacing 500k full time workers with 1m minimum wage casual positions has been their plan for meeting this promise all along.

# ? Jul 1, 2014 04:28

Negative Entropy: Nov 30, 2009

New Morgan poll is up

If a Federal Election were held today the ALP would win in a landslide (57.5%, up 2%) cf. L-NP (42.5%, down 2%) on a two-party preferred basis according to today�s multi-mode Morgan Poll conducted the last two weekends � June 21/22 & 28/29, 2014.

http://www.roymorgan.com/findings/5659-federal-voting-intention-june-30-2014-201406300634

Consumer confidence has dropped to almost GFC levels since the budget was announced, Business Confidence has also dropped.

# ? Jul 1, 2014 04:35

Amethyst: Mar 28, 2004; I CANNOT HELP BUT MAKE THE DCSS THREAD A FETID SWAMP OF UNFUN POSTING
plz notice me trunk-senpai

I really have no idea if I should be optimistic about the poll numbers staying good until the next election.

# ? Jul 1, 2014 04:38

MysticalMachineGun: Apr 5, 2005

I fear that some global incident that is outside of our control will take place in 2016 leading to a swing to the right :smith:

# ? Jul 1, 2014 04:52

Gough Suppressant: Nov 14, 2008

The government will just photoshop refugees eating their babies or something and win in a landslide.

# ? Jul 1, 2014 05:01

monolithburger: Sep 7, 2011

I dunno, George Brandis is probably too well fed to photoshop. Refugee babies are like Tim Tams for that bloke.

# ? Jul 1, 2014 05:12

ewe2: Jul 1, 2009

Crikey made a game

# ? Jul 1, 2014 05:18

Hypation: Jul 11, 2013; The White Witch never knew what hit her.

i got banned posted:

Well hurry up and die if you don't pay taxes mate. Welcome to the future.

Works for Japan......

Let elderly people 'hurry up and die', says Japanese minister

Taro Aso says he would refuse end-of-life care and would 'feel bad' knowing treatment was paid for by government

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/jan/22/elderly-hurry-up-die-japanese

Some article about some Japanese dick of a Minister whose dad was likely guilty of war crimes posted:

Japan's new government is barely a month old, and already one of its most senior members has insulted tens of millions of voters by suggesting that the elderly are an unnecessary drain on the country's finances.

Taro Aso, the finance minister, said on Monday that the elderly should be allowed to "hurry up and die" to relieve pressure on the state to pay for their medical care.

"Heaven forbid if you are forced to live on when you want to die. I would wake up feeling increasingly bad knowing that [treatment] was all being paid for by the government," he said during a meeting of the national council on social security reforms. "The problem won't be solved unless you let them hurry up and die."

Aso's comments are likely to cause offence in Japan, where almost a quarter of the 128 million population is aged over 60. The proportion is forecast to rise to 40% over the next 50 years.

The remarks are also an unwelcome distraction for the new prime minister, Shinzo Abe, whose first period as Japan's leader ended with his resignation after just a year, in 2007, partly due to a string of gaffes by members of his cabinet.

Rising welfare costs, particularly for the elderly, were behind a decision last year to double consumption [sales] tax to 10% over the next three years, a move Aso's Liberal Democratic party supported.

The 72-year-old, who doubles as deputy prime minister, said he would refuse end-of-life care. "I don't need that kind of care," he said in comments quoted by local media, adding that he had written a note instructing his family to deny him life-prolonging medical treatment.

To compound the insult, he referred to elderly patients who are no longer able to feed themselves as "tube people". The health and welfare ministry, he added, was "well aware that it costs several tens of millions of yen" a month to treat a single patient in the final stages of life.

Cost aside, caring for the elderly is a major challenge for Japan's stretched social services. According to a report this week, the number of households receiving welfare, which include family members aged 65 or over, stood at more than 678,000, or about 40% of the total. The country is also tackling a rise in the number of people who die alone, most of whom are elderly. In 2010, 4.6 million elderly people lived alone, and the number who died at home soared 61% between 2003 and 2010, from 1,364 to 2,194, according to the bureau of social welfare and public health in Tokyo.

The government is planning to reduce welfare expenditure in its next budget, due to go into force this April, with details of the cuts expected within days.

Aso, who has a propensity for verbal blunders, later attempted to clarify his comments. He acknowledged his language had been "inappropriate" in a public forum and insisted he was talking only about his personal preference.

"I said what I personally believe, not what the end-of-life medical care system should be," he told reporters. "It is important that you be able spend the final days of your life peacefully."

It is not the first time Aso, one of Japan's wealthiest politicians, has questioned the state's duty towards its large elderly population. In 2008, while serving as prime minister, he described "doddering" pensioners as tax burdens who should take better care of their health.

"I see people aged 67 or 68 at class reunions who dodder around and are constantly going to the doctor," he said at a meeting of economists. "Why should I have to pay for people who just eat and drink and make no effort? I walk every day and do other things, but I'm paying more in taxes."

He had already angered the country's doctors by telling them they lacked common sense, made a joke about Alzheimer's patients, and pronounced "penniless young men" unfit for marriage.

In 2001, he said he wanted Japan to become the kind of successful country in which "the richest Jews would want to live".

He once likened an opposition party to the Nazis, praised Japan's colonial rule in Taiwan and, as foreign minister, told US diplomats they would never be trusted in Middle East peace negotiations because they have "blue eyes and blond hair".

While figures released on Monday showed a record 2.14 million Japanese were receiving welfare in October 2012, Aso has led a life of privilege few of his compatriots could hope to match.

He is the grandson of Shigeru Yoshida, an influential postwar prime minister, and is married to the daughter of another former premier.

While campaigning for the premiership in 2008, Aso refused to acknowledge the use of hundreds of allied prisoners of war by his family's coal mining business during the second world war. He served as president of the firm's successor, Aso Cement, from 1973-79.

# ? Jul 1, 2014 05:37

Bifauxnen: Aug 12, 2010; Curses! Foiled again!

Hypation posted:

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/jan/22/elderly-hurry-up-die-japanese

自殺しなさい

# ? Jul 1, 2014 05:41

plumpy hole lever: Aug 8, 2003; ♥ Anime is real ♥

nice op pissweak

very happy to see my old avatar featuring in op

really reminds you just how fucken weird the outcomes of the last election were, it's beyond satire, like watching the castle on meth or something

i didnt read the last d&d thread because its too loving depressing and nothings going to change for 2+ years so im probbly not going to read this one either, see you in a month D&Dpissw

plumpy hole lever fucked around with this message at 06:08 on Jul 1, 2014

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# ? May 5, 2024 10:13

Cleretic: Feb 3, 2010; Ignore my posts!
I'm aggressively wrong about everything!

Soag posted:

really reminds you just how fucken weird the outcomes of the last election were, it's beyond satire, like watching the castle on meth or something

I still say Working Dog should get working on the Ricky Muir biopic ASAP.

# ? Jul 1, 2014 05:51

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