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Mr. Maltose posted:Kill la Kill mentioned, terminate all anime chat because it won't be getting any better.
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Jul 2, 2014 07:09
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Princess Tutu is amazing.
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Jul 3, 2014 14:26
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Evil Mastermind posted:Oh yeah, I forgot about him too. I will not be buying this or any other WotC products for the foreseen future. Thanks for the heads up.
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Jul 4, 2014 00:36
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I am not buying products from a company that intentionally and publicly associates with those people. Period.
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Jul 4, 2014 00:46
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Don't give up entirely on RPGs, support the good ones and the good developers.
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Jul 4, 2014 01:05
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Libertad! posted:Well, lots of folks don't keep up on Internet drama, and may not know what's the deal with Pundit and Zak S. Although the former is disliked by a lot of forums (rpg.net, The Gaming Den, Circus Maximus, this one, etc). FWIW, a simple group of links of "this is what these assholes do" would make things way easier. Evil Mastermind posted:It's not just the fact that they thanked Zak and Tarnowski, two guys who bully and harass. Legit do you mind if I copy+paste this elsewhere to help point out why I'm not supporting this game?
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Jul 4, 2014 02:55
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EM, apologies in advance and you certainly don't have to, but do you by any chance have links or whatever to Zak S's crusade antics? It looks like he turned most of his poo poo to private, and the KOREA TABLETOP GAMING page doesn't seem to believe this kinda poo poo actually happens.
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Jul 4, 2014 03:24
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It's pretty easy to get angry when literally everywhere I've gone to talk about this the overwhelming response has been a nonstop demand for proof and rationalizing away any and all proof actually given, and then going "Well maybe I'm just too logical, besides is it REALLY that hurtful that they're on the credits page?"
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Jul 4, 2014 05:06
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Ettin posted:By the way: The first thing I saw on Facebook today was you arguing with Piestrio of all people about this. Lost causes, dude! How should I know it's Piestrio  . Also, I'm giving up. Korea Tabletop Games page, you are a lost cause.
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Jul 4, 2014 05:27
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I'm just some dumb schmuck teaching English in Korea, so the best I can do right now is generally talk to people I know about the problems and explain why I'm not going to be supporting WotC. I've emailed off to the CUSTSERV thing and tried contacting Mearls with no response back. When I get back to the States my general plan is to try to get as many cool people as I know into the hobby. But here's the thing, I'm kinda nervous about doing that, because I actually am worried they'll go online to talk about things and become victims! That's what a chilling effect is. It's why Zak S is such a problem - because his presence is one big "no, leave the hobby." I mean, he brags about it, literally brags that he supports social darwinism in the hobby. To the point where I worry and don't want to bring friends in because they'd be at risk and this is what WotC is supporting. So I email them, and I message them, and I refuse to support them, because they support this. And I try to get my friends to play a stupid elfgame or two anyways. That's the change I try to make because that's the ONLY change I can try to make. And all throughout this I get to listen to and look at chucklefucks go "Well Zak S can't be that bad he wrote those good articles!" Or "Show up proof. No more proof. No more proof. No more proof." Or "Well it's harassment so just call the police and that's it, if he's still around clearly he didn't harass anyone." Or any number of other bullshit excuses nerdy=rear end motherfuckers use to dismiss any criticism of the game that could possibly exist. poo poo, I had one guy say that I, Professor Cirno, was trying to slander Next through Zak S because I was such an overbearing Paizo fanboy.
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Jul 7, 2014 02:39
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Trollhawke posted:You know if I wasn't busy laughing my rear end off at the idea of you being a Paizo fanboy I'd express my genuine concerns and sympathies. Which I do - it's hard to try and fight for a cause when one side has no interest in listening regardless. I mean, here's the thing. Quarex posted:Who was the person being threatened about coming to Gen-Con again? This seems relevant to this discussion (though somehow I doubt either of the problem children being discussed would deign to actually come to a convention unless treated as an Important Person). I have it easy. I am at best arguing with people who think my friends deserve to be unsafe in the hobby for no reason other then admitting there is a problem would break their childish view of the hobby. Like, that's pretty lovely. And that's still getting it off easy.
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Jul 7, 2014 04:50
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We need people to rip apart the system and point out all it's flaws. What do you mean your playtest found problems. No more online playtests allowed for anyone.
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Jul 7, 2014 08:25
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The amount of hate being directed at people literally for just not buying a thing is pretty amazing.
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Jul 8, 2014 08:04
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SunAndSpring posted:Wonder why no one's made an official The Elder Scrolls tabletop RPG. You figure there'd be money in it for Bethesda to license it out to someone. Skyrim sold a poo poo ton, and I'm sure people would like to have an actual system for it rather than just homebrewing other systems. Because loving nobody wants the fanbase of this hobby to get energetic about their game. Literally most other industries either actively court against going into ttgs or at least try to never bring it up.
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Jul 10, 2014 02:43
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zachol posted:Seriously? I've always assumed it was just apathy and a feeling that the RPG market is too small to seriously consider in terms of licensing, not that there was an actual pushback against it. I recall reading at least one paper that basically stated that most companies that actually know about this industry avoid it, because every time they've tried to tap into it, it's backfired due to the grogs immediately swarming them. quote:Eclipse Phase EP falls into the same problem Shadowrun sometimes - a really hilarious assumption of competence. This is more a Shadowrun problem, I think, where GMs assume that of course every building is going to have maximum security on at all times with no coffee breaks and the most vigilant employees money can buy, when in reality, be it Eclipse Phase or Shadowrun, corporations exist to make profits, and if they can cut corners, by god they're going to do it as much as possible and then some. It's actually worse in Eclipse Phase, when chances are the actual security stuff is being monitored by literal digital slaves trying to distract themselves as much as possible from their actual tasks. To it's credit EP actually does talk about this a bit in Panopticon, basically stating that there's so much overlapping security footage that the problem isn't catching someone, it's finding that specific footage. Beyond that, because everything in most Core space is done through systems of neverending contractors and business agreements, even if you find that footage, you have to get access to it, because everyone is competing and they won't want to share out of the goodness of their heart. Really the key is to remember the first rule: Human beings are really good at not giving a poo poo and being super incompetent. The rest kinda falls in line from there.
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Jul 10, 2014 03:41
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dwarf74 posted:Haha, even little old me got doxxed over at theRPGsite a few years back. The dude did something like look up my old amazon reviews - literally from 1997 - to discredit me. Not too long ago I was arguing about Next regarding the whole Zak S / RPG Pundit thing on a Facebook page for ttgs in Korea. I had someone try to doxx me, found that I playtested some Dreamscarred stuff back when I was into Pathfinder, and deduced that I was making up everything about Zak S and RPG Pundit as part of a Paizo Fan Conspiracy to discredit Next.
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Jul 10, 2014 04:42
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Covok posted:What are the big days for traditional gaming? You know, like Free RPG day and International Tabletop Day? I'm treasurer for my college's board gaming club and I'm thinking of using the facebook page our members subscribed to to inform them of things like this. There's Friday Night Magic for a more specific game.
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Jul 12, 2014 00:40
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Don't bother arguing with Zak S. He's flat out stated his intention is to push people out of discussions in order to prove social darwinism or some such nonsense.
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Jul 12, 2014 07:11
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Remove good and evil and go all SMT
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Jul 15, 2014 08:15
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Neutral is less "pass the buck" or "oh no moral quandaries" and more "gently caress you, your arbitrary choice is dumb, I refuse to play along." That refusal just happens to come along with killing all your enemies, which is now everybody. Then some time later both Law and Chaos go "Well THAT rear end in a top hat's gone, let's try again."
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Jul 15, 2014 09:28
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My initial point is that GOOD VS EVIL doesn't really have space for that much weirdness because, well, it's literally the objective force of good. You can't have much grey area there. Focusing instead on law vs chaos allows for more nuance.
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Jul 15, 2014 13:08
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There is something morbidly humorous about Sage trying to give Zak S and Pundit the benefit of the doubt and them vomiting that right back into his face. Like. Dude. It's not as if you didn't know this would happen. Anyways I'm kinda confused where Sage stands because he initially agreed with Zak S then didn't then did again then said "ignore the whole thread" so who even knows. That said literally every non-white dude that posted in that thread was posting about the problems with the two in question, and was kinda vindicated by GMS busting in to go "Minority views are often LIES that you should ignore." It's a bit of a perfect storm right now; 5e's accredation and Mearls secretly telling Zak S about all the things people have been emailing him have shown just how loving horrifyingly rotten the core of this hobby is, and the vindication that Zak S and Pundit have gotten over 5e has lead them (and their hanger-ons like GMS) to be more aggressive in their terribleness then ever. This is a pretty poo poo time for the hobby, at least if you aren't a "traditionalist" het white dude
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Jul 16, 2014 02:42
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Quarex posted:Wait, Zak S has problems with LGBT people when he films his girlfriend loving other women? Oh, this sounds delightful! Zak S has a problem with people who disagree with him. Being able to use their sexuality to attack them when he's stalking them or sending out his followers to harass them is just a bonus. Also yeah I got the deets on the Mearls thing wrong. Which uh, isn't to say the actual result isn't a good thing, just not...as...lovely? ( gently caress if I entirely care about the nuance there though )
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Jul 16, 2014 03:26
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Like there's a reason all those guys who got their start in ttgs and moved on to video games, be they indie developers or mainstream, have not looked back. And it ain't just because of the money.
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Jul 16, 2014 03:35
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Mormon Star Wars posted:When Tatum Girlparts points out that the community is small and incestuous, he's also pointing out that it's the same horrible dudes everywhere, you pretty much can't get away from them. Look at Zak S, unless you are in the two communities he is banned from (here and RPGnet) he's everywhere. If you run a gay gamer blog and post something about the Savant and Sorcerer cover being terrible he will show up in your comments like a poltergeist, moaning "OOOoooOOOooo Paaaaaat Roooooobertson" with an armful of apples. I had a guy who was permabanned extra hard from RPG.net show up in the Korean tabletop gaming Facebook page of all places. Gau posted:Once again, speaking solely from my conversation with him, I think this is partially due to this being his first exposure to social issues being a part of gaming. He's uncertain how to proceed after feeling attacked from both sides for what he felt at the time was a reasonable response. I'm not saying that excuses anything he's done, just that we have to understand there is a learning curve and that someone not being with us doesn't mean they can't be educated. I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt, especially since he hasn't gone through and deleted his previous statements or tried to take some revisionist, "oh I didn't mean THAT" position. Yeah I can buy this. As I said, I think he sorta stumbled into a very rough time. Nerves are already being run raw, intentionally in a few cases as Zak S has definately upped his harassment and Pundit has upped his shittiness post-5e. The toxic elements of this hobby have seen 5e as a big rallying point that they were "right," so people who actually give a poo poo about that or are their victims are going to have difficulties with people who claim the truth is in the middle. Gau posted:It's also worth pointing out that fantasy fiction (being the largest portion of the hobby) is inherently a regressive medium, starting with Tolkien. The whole idea of the genre is "hearkening back to days of yore when life was better" and not acknowledging that unless the hobbits had penicillin and vaccinations most of them died horribly at an early age, and how we only get to hear about the privileged people in Middle Earth while the peasants' voices are largely unheard. The best part is that some people have twisted this to mean that fantasy RPGs should be some sort of medieval peasant death simulator in a hilarious unintentional parody. It's worth mentioning that one of the most common styles of fantasy may as well boil down to"White man's burden" libertarian's wet dream. Those nasty foreigners are invading our peaceful sleepy kingdom, but you, the lone Randian hero, can defeat them and
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Olde_fortran posted:Hi, I'm Sage. I'm here to talk about the discussion I've had with Gau Zak, and others. Hello Sage! As I've stated in thread you came into the discussion at something of a bad time. I can speak only for myself, but first off thank you for stopping by to chat and give the heads up. No, I don't think you're as bad as the rest of this godforsaken hobby. The fact that you inspected yourself and re-examined your own statements puts you quite a bit ahead of many others. Secondly, an apology. I got pretty salty myself and jumped to conclusions just the same, and I shouldn't have. Mea culpa. One of the problems with harassment is that it's so easily kept invisible. There is of course "innocent until proven guilty," and it's decidedly easy to cling to the "proven" part. The only real way to ever get proof is to go to each person making the claim and demand they share the emails or messages or whatever they've received, and even that doesn't work when the harassment is over the phone as some people have gotten. The (vaguely) good news is that the lovely elements are not, I think, actually growing in number, they're just growing louder. One of the reasons nerves are so frayed is because many of the more toxic elements feel they've been vindicated by 5e, and the general toxicity of ttg discussion has risen sharply as people exalt and begin doubling down on their aggression. There is a good and bad to this. The good is that most people who aren't already a part of this pack see this and never want to get involved. The bad news is that "never wants to get involved" covers the entire hobby. The ugly news is that this is somewhat as intended. Zak S and RPGPundit doesn't want people who agree with him. They just don't want people who disagree with them. Better to reign alone then serve alongside others. By the same light though every person who IS in the hobby, looks at this, and says "Nope not ok" is actively helping remove that toxicity. Everybody makes missteps (I mean seriously, I've done, said, and thought some terrible things in my own history), but actively trying to make the hobby better is...well, a good thing.
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Jul 17, 2014 01:45
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Gau posted:Man, the nineties were weird in retrospect. Evil Mastermind posted:You clearly didn't live through the 80's. Born late 80's so I more or less grew up in the 90's. Interesting time. I feel the 90's were to some degree filled with "Ok, let's talk about it." I mostly remember there being a fair amount of poo poo being discussed regarding race and bigotry even with my pre-teen cartoons, and if you were bad like I was and watched MTV late at night then they weren't shying away from topics regarding homosexuality or bisexuality. Granted, ALL of it in the lens of "ISN'T THIS HOT???" but at least I recall there being just as many cute dudes kissing each other as there were girls.
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Jul 17, 2014 03:50
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Captain Foo posted:MTV's Undressed THAT was the one. In retrospect it was pretty hilarious when people tried to talk about it while avoiding actually talking about it in church at the time.
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Jul 17, 2014 03:58
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Ettin posted:Now all we need is for Lowtax to unban Aatrek and say he's a Rudyard Kipling fan and Mike might hire goons. Fuego Fish posted:Impossible, playing EVE requires you to enjoy how math works. 
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Jul 17, 2014 07:21
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Reminder that RPGSite has literal open MRA misogynists and once tried to collaborate on organized stalking of the owner of RPG.net out of revenge.
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Jul 17, 2014 13:57
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Dad jokes are amazing as an ESL teacher in another country, because they're jokes my students can still understand despite differences in cultural humor, and are all around safe and pleasant and won't get me in any sort of trouble.
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Jul 18, 2014 00:33
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Yeah, everything I've heard about Greenwood is that he's basically just a free love hippie child of the 70's who never entered the 80's. Like yeah there's sex everywhere in Forgotten Realms, but that's because Greenwood just really, really thinks sex is great and people should be free to have it as much as they want whenever they want. I'm pretty sure even back in the 80's when TSR was doing their big FR push they had to censor a bunch of poo poo not just because of the sex everywhere, but because Greenwood was rather open about the Realms being all inclusive of various sexualities. Dude might come off as creepy but is, in the end, just an old dude who thinks sex is great, so long as you're enjoying it with whoever also enjoys it with you.
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Mystic Mongol ran a rather awesome LP of King of Dragon's Pass, which takes place in Glorantha. Find it here!
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