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Fried Chicken posted:Because I haven't. My point has been that Bush had the option to address it and didn't, not that he countermanded any investigation. No, this started with my adding one of the CIA's well documented failures to a list of failures and atrocities which I posted and you attacked me for not posting, so pretty much you're a moron and I'm done trying to convince you that Bush isn't 100% responsible for CIA failures. Have fun yelling at straw liberals in your head, I guess.
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Chard posted:impeach fried chicken That's racist.
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Justin Godscock posted:That's racist. trap sprung libtard 
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Fried Chicken posted:Yes, the changes to the intelligence community to correct that all came post 9/11. Prior to that policy and countervailing mandates resulted in low communication. Part of it had to do with the fact that the FBI was a law enforcement agency and the CIA was an intelligence agency with different legal ramifications on how intelligence was classified and shared IIRC.
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Justin Godscock posted:Nah, you're giving Carter too much credit. You don't even know man, like Habitat for Humanity is a massive front of Carter's dastardly schemes!!
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Boon posted:Part of it had to do with the fact that the FBI was a law enforcement agency and the CIA was an intelligence agency with different legal ramifications on how intelligence was classified and shared IIRC. Yup, the 9/11 Commission goes into huge depth over the intelligence community during the years prior to 9/11 which states again and again that the CIA, FBI and NSA had problems communicating with each other which meant the dots could not be connected. It's the backbone of the report and to say "Bush ignored that one memo from August 2001!" (which the 9/11 Commission did cite in its findings) is ignoring the rest of the text. There was a big problem with American intelligence and I'm one of the biggest Bush critics around but even then blaming Bush (or even Clinton) for all of it is just wrong.
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Y'all can go kiss old Jimmy's rear end.
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I would like to humbly suggest, for the August thread, zoux's quote from some time back, "these motherfuckers need to remember we live in a society" thank you and god bless these united states.
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In another thread I expressed reservations over a person being convicted on the testimony of a single person and was called a pedophile for two pages and that was STILL a better derail than this bullshit.
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Mr Ice Cream Glove posted:It seems Fox News, Breitbart, The Blaze have set their angle on immigrants not only being an economic menace but now a carrier of every virus and pest that exists. Is it being too optimistic in hoping that the actions from these people and the draconian immigration bill they tried to pass will backfire on them when it comes to not only the hispanic voting block but blocks from people who are disgusted by this behavior? There was probably similar fearmongering during the plague. Of course, that actually was a serious pandemic.
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People were terrified by the date 2012. Just remind people about that and tell them to shut the gently caress up about being scared of "X". We all ready have a pandemic, its called diabetes.
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spunkshui posted:People were terrified by the date 2012. That's a little different from an infectious disease pandemic.
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WhiskeyJuvenile posted:It's August 5th and I'm posting in the July thread. July USPOL thread: least productive thread ever. I fondly remember the January USPOL thread. Now there was a thread that could get posts done. I can use more than 10% of my posts.
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Phone posting and don't have it on me, so can't do a full write up, but The Dark Side by Jane Mayer does a really good job outlining how the cia/fbi/administration hosed up stopping 9/11. There is no guarantee they could have stopped it, but there were some pretty bad blunders made.
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Someone bring back Amergin.
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We thought Mo Brooks could only talk about the race war for one day, but there's evidence of a miracle happening here because his fires of racism are now burning for three crazy days.quote:In fact, Brooks added, “if you look at current federal law, there is only one skin color that you can lawfully discriminate against. That’s Caucasians — whites.” Dude's just tellin' it like it is.
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RaHoWa is here What a pile of crazy
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Joementum posted:We thought Mo Brooks could only talk about the race war for one day, but there's evidence of a miracle happening here because his fires of racism are now burning for three crazy days. I'm just waiting until some Republican pulls out phrenology charts and goes: "Now, you see, the reason why blacks are on welfare is because..."
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Dante Logos posted:I'm just waiting until some Republican pulls out phrenology charts and goes: "Now, you see, the reason why blacks are on welfare is because..." Eh once he steps over the fine line of "just asking questions" and "the exhaustive list of things that are racism (eg the phrase 'Jim Crow,' minstrel shows, phrenology, the n-word)" they'll just drop him as quickly as they did Cliven Bundy. As everyone knows, invoking any of those words makes you A Real Racist. Hence why Democrats are the Real Racists by drawing equivalence between the two categories. Shear Modulus fucked around with this message at 00:25 on Aug 6, 2014 |
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Zombie Samurai posted:Someone bring back Amergin. Where the hell did he get off to, anyway?
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Pope Guilty posted:Where the hell did he get off to, anyway? The Romney Presidency, god rest his soul.
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Isn't the current thread title one he (or someone else) suggested for the August thread?
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Ofaloaf posted:I get to see my name on the ballot in tomorrow's elections, so there's hope yet! I ran as a write in against Ander Crenshaw in 2004 on the platform of "no candidate should run unopposed" and got like 50 votes, near as I can tell. Far as I know, officially, my name is "Other". At least you got your name on the ballot.
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So is Rick Perlstein's work good? I heard him on NPR today talking and his new book. Apparently conservatives didn't have an issue with his books on Goldwater and Nixon but they're apparently not happy about his new book, The Invisible Bridge. Guess who it's about? http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/books/2014/08/rick_perlstein_s_book_on_reagan_the_invisible_bridge_reviewed.html quote:The Invisible Bridge is bursting with these kinds of details. Perlstein seems to have inhaled every piece of news and pop culture from the period he’s covering. He finds reporters having to explain to their readers what “pro-life” means, the director of the CIA calling a reporter a “killer” (live on camera), and an Illinois legislator warring with the Equal Rights Amendment because “in Colorado, where they have ERA, men want to marry horses.” 
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Evil Fluffy posted:Isn't the current thread title one he (or someone else) suggested for the August thread?
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Sephiroth_IRA posted:So is Rick Perlstein's work good? Yes, very. quote:Apparently conservatives didn't have an issue with his books on Goldwater and Nixon but now they're pissed off about The Invisible Bridge. Insulting Reagan is the Republican equivalent of a Mohammad cartoon.
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Great, I know where I'm going to use this audible credit now.
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His new book is probably pretty good, but his Goldwater book is basically the best.
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I'm going to start with the new one only because Reagan is more significant to me but I'll definitely check out the other two.
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Sephiroth_IRA posted:So is Rick Perlstein's work good? I heard him on NPR today talking and his new book. TPM has a decent excerpt.
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Sephiroth_IRA posted:So is Rick Perlstein's work good? I heard him on NPR today talking about Reagan and his new book. Apparently conservatives didn't have an issue with his books on Goldwater and Nixon but now they're pissed off about The Invisible Bridge. I only read Nixonland but its pretty amazing. Basically anyone who loves this thread would love it, since it taps into just how crazy the American body politics became in the 60s. Quotes from Silent Majority types read like proto version of the Freep thread for obvious reasons, and its interesting to read how Nixon basically invented half the tricks Republicans use, but was way better at it.
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Chard posted:impeach fried chicken Thread title right here.
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Joementum posted:We thought Mo Brooks could only talk about the race war for one day, but there's evidence of a miracle happening here because his fires of racism are now burning for three crazy days. Oh my god, yes, more 
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Sue Fried Chicken for choosing thread titles without properly consulting us. One day later: we can't decide on a thread title, but the real scandal is Fried Chicken's inability to lead and pick one himself.
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Joementum posted:Sue Fried Chicken for choosing thread titles without properly consulting us. Two days later: A goon goes up to Fried Chicken to ask him why he picked a thread title without consulting us and he runs away.
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Before the Storm and Nixonland are easily two of the best nonfiction books I've ever read. I have Nixon Agonistes waiting for me when I go on vacation too 
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Justin Godscock posted:Yup, the 9/11 Commission goes into huge depth over the intelligence community during the years prior to 9/11 which states again and again that the CIA, FBI and NSA had problems communicating with each other which meant the dots could not be connected. It's the backbone of the report and to say "Bush ignored that one memo from August 2001!" (which the 9/11 Commission did cite in its findings) is ignoring the rest of the text. There was a big problem with American intelligence and I'm one of the biggest Bush critics around but even then blaming Bush (or even Clinton) for all of it is just wrong. Were there issues with the way intelligence was shared and gathered? Yes. Could 9/11 have been prevented? Probably not. Could the Bush Administration have ordered a more focused investigation? Yeah. Yeah they could have. The facts are clear that the Bush Administration removed the focus from terror groups and ignored gathering evidence of an attack. Leaning too hard on intelligence failures feels of "No one could have seems this coming" when people could have and did. It's the same excuse people give the Bush Administration for not anticipating the Iraqi insurgency. At the end of the day, it was a failure of leadership to use their given resources. That's where the buck stops.
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