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Ephemeron posted:Direct theocracy (i.e., a society ruled by an actual god or godlike entity) is a different matter. The closest implementation I can think of would be a society governed by a benevolent self-programming super-AI. However, at that point, I would expect humanity to evolve into a new posthuman species that would have no need for rulership or gods anyway. We don't talk about the regrettable Deus Ex sequel, dude.
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Captain_Maclaine posted:We don't talk about the regrettable Deus Ex sequel, dude. I think he's actually referencing the adventure game imagining of 'I Have No Mouth And I Must Scream' that came out in 1995 for PCs.
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buttcoin smuggler fucked around with this message at 15:18 on Dec 29, 2014 |
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The Catholic Church must be getting really desperate for fresh young children to
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# ? Jul 22, 2014 05:53 |
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Whatever happened to B-chan?
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# ? Jul 22, 2014 12:56 |
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Ephemeron posted:Direct theocracy (i.e., a society ruled by an actual god or godlike entity) is a different matter. This got covered earlier, but more on it is probably good. That's what the roman cult of emperor was. Actual godlike entity as head of state of the entire world. Christianity inverts this, especially in Luke. That's why there is a birth narrative in Luke, because the Roman emperors had divine birth narrative, so the author would have wanted one for Jesus to make the comparison to emperor. One can find early Christian writings (clearest example Justin Martyr) talking about Jesus being born in a cave (strongly suggesting that Luke's birth narrative is constructed.) So there is evidence that it's fabricated and a reason to fabricate it. Basically one of the gospels (Luke) is straight up constructed to subvert this idea of direct theocracy (Roman emperor as God) and even implies that the idea put Jesus on the cross. It's actually kind-of amazing how Christianity gets get used to justify the exact same empire later, given this.
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BrandorKP posted:This got covered earlier, but more on it is probably good. That's what the roman cult of emperor was. Actual godlike entity as head of state of the entire world. Christianity inverts this, especially in Luke. That's why there is a birth narrative in Luke, because the Roman emperors had divine birth narrative, so the author would have wanted one for Jesus to make the comparison to emperor. One can find early Christian writings (clearest example Justin Martyr) talking about Jesus being born in a cave (strongly suggesting that Luke's birth narrative is constructed.) So there is evidence that it's fabricated and a reason to fabricate it. What evidence? Luke doesn't say where Jesus was born. It's entirely possible he was born in a cave. Origen also said so. The Basilica of the Nativity was built over a cave. Maybe the story of Jesus's birth came from his mother, who was an instrumental member of the early church?
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Kyrie eleison posted:What evidence? Luke doesn't say where Jesus was born. It's entirely possible he was born in a cave. Origen also said so. The Basilica of the Nativity was built over a cave. Meh, I'm going from something I read by Crossan. There are two takes on Luke that I see that see right now. One is that Luke/Acts is intended to subvert and invert Roman archetypes for a Roman audience ( I'm biased towards that interpretation.) The other is that Luke/Acts is pro-Roman, the Kingdom is for good Roman Christians, it's a step towards Christianity being subverted into supporting empire that finishes with Constantine. In either case Romans are the audience and that's why there is a birth narrative in Luke and not in Mark or Matthew. And that actually (that there is no birth narrative in Mark or Matthew) is pretty good evidence for the birth narrative as a construction. Assuming one buys the methodology of the historical Jesus scholars (which I don't always). But I think they're right on this one. And a manger from that time is pretty cave like from what I understand, it's sort of like a stone basement, on top of which was a building. In either case it's not the pastoral image most people have. It's a cold damp dark stone place. Bar Ran Dun fucked around with this message at 16:02 on Jul 22, 2014 |
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Reminder that Jesus was a fictional character invented by the Romans to defuse Jewish revolts haha
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# ? Jul 22, 2014 16:59 |
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Actually, you know what did happen after the Romans put down the Jewish revolts? They appropriated the whole Jewish Messiah myth. Vespasian is a claimant of the Jewish messiah myth according to Josephus. Well "according to" might not be accurate enough, "because of and facilitated" by Josephus would probably be better. Edit: But seriously how do you read what I wrote and come to that conclusion? Edit: and you do realize the Jewish revolts and Roman response are before (causative of) the gospels getting written right? Bar Ran Dun fucked around with this message at 17:18 on Jul 22, 2014 |
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On the other hand, ISIS radical Islam sucks.
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BrandorKP posted:Edit: But seriously how do you read what I wrote and come to that conclusion? By an intricate process known as "trolling yoooouuuu".
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# ? Jul 26, 2014 02:55 |
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The liberals here complain about China occupying Tibet and oppressing its people but Tibet was a Theocracy before it was annexed. Riddle me that.
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buttcoin smuggler fucked around with this message at 15:18 on Dec 29, 2014 |
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How mysterious that liberals who claim to oppose rapacious imperialistic conquest are still opposed to rapacious imperialistic conquest even when they disagree with the conquered peoples' form of government. Explain that, liberals Now let me tell you how a Christian Theocracy would be a pacific government with war as a last resort, and also how George Bush's invasion of Iraq was awesome...
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Kyrie eleison posted:I apologize in advance for this post. Basically all I got out of this is that you're somewhat sympathetic towards homosexuals and gay sex because you're absolutely miserable around women and too afraid to initiate a relationship with one due to fear of rejection. Jesus isn't the solution to this, growing balls is.
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Vaall posted:Basically all I got out of this is that you're somewhat sympathetic towards homosexuals and gay sex because you're absolutely miserable around women and too afraid to initiate a relationship with one due to fear of rejection. Not really, it's really far back so I don't remember exactly what he said but he thinks gays having kids is wrong and bad.
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