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Smoking Crow posted:Especially a Catholic/Orthodox Christian theocracy. There would be no rich or poor, as St. Basil the Great said that "For if we all took only what was necessary to satisfy our own needs, giving the rest to those who lack, no one would be rich, no one would be poor, and no one would be in need." If we could decouple the theocratic state from far right politics, we could have a perfect ruling class. Another good point of a theocratic government would be that war would be a complete last option as killing is banned by almost all religions. Which religion? Also, since it wont be Judaism, what will be done with the Jews? 
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Smoking Crow posted:The Jews are fine with me. I prefer a lot of kosher foods to the gentile version! Cool! Theocracies have generally (read:never) been kind to jews. Good to know yours will, though!  But that doesn't answer which religion will reign supreme. Will there be a ladder match to decide?
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Jul 9, 2014 01:04
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Personally I am afraid that when Set weighs my soul against the weight of a feather I will not pass the test. Smoking Crow, how would you respond to claims that Orthodoxy weighs down the soul with sins against Ra?
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Jul 9, 2014 01:32
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Smoking Crow posted:The Pharaohs don't exist anymore, therefore you can't believe in their religion. Wouldn't the Egyptian gods have intervened when the Christians took them over if they existed? The pharaohs are totally real, dude. They rule forever in the afterlife.
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Jul 9, 2014 02:28
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GROVER CURES HOUSE posted:I'd be down with WHF, but loving elves man But you can kill tons and tons of elves in WHF.
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Jul 9, 2014 03:38
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E-Tank posted:And what happens if the people refuse to or can't pay the tax? They will be asked politely to leave. And it will be super awkward and they will be totally embarrassed.
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Jul 9, 2014 03:39
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buttcoin smuggler posted:A properly run Catholic theocracy would be preferable to the (neo-)liberal hellhole the United States is becoming. You can't murder what isn't a person, silly!
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Jul 9, 2014 13:38
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Miltank posted:Mom and Dad fake conversion to save money and in forty years their grandchildren will be pious little Christian soldiers. Mom and Dad still teach their children the one true religion under Allah in secret. 
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Jul 9, 2014 14:48
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Miltank posted:They might try to but Islam doesn't really work in secret. It's all about carrying out ceremonial religious actions and I think someone might notice if a family stops eating during the daytime for a lunar month every year. If they really wanna be Muslim they can pay their taxes and be good little subjects. Muslims are forgiven if they are forbidden by malevolent oppressors from observing holy rites, so they could be hella secret.
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Jul 9, 2014 15:17
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Miltank posted:like I said they can give it a shot, but if they get caught they better be ready for some back taxes. Yeah, gently caress the poor!
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Jul 9, 2014 15:45
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Miltank posted:If they literally can't afford jizya then they don't pay poo poo's not hard. Because Christians have never gone out of their way to persecute religious minorities. 
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Jul 9, 2014 15:52
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I'm sorry for misrepresenting the theocracy that doesn't exist.
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Jul 9, 2014 16:03
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Smoking Crow posted:Are you saying that all Muslims are poor? I don't think that is true. They'll be poor once they are taxed outrageously and segregated into ghettos on order of the theocratic government.
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Jul 9, 2014 16:48
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Smoking Crow posted:Why would they do that? Anyone can live anywhere they want, and it would be one more tax than the average person. I think you're being pessimistic. Please don't strawman my theocracy.
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Jul 9, 2014 16:54
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Miltank posted:
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Jul 9, 2014 17:02
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Miltank posted:I disagree that restricting access to contraceptive options reduces women to chattel. You're right. It's much more correct to say it reduces women to breeding stock.
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Jul 9, 2014 17:24
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Miltank posted:If women are chattel without access to modern contraceptive methods when was the moment that women became not chattel? You answered this in the first half of your question.
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Jul 9, 2014 17:31
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AstheWorldWorlds posted:What about societies that had no concept of property? What about them?
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Jul 9, 2014 17:36
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Miltank posted:Progressives are about to discover Christianity again and poo poo is going to get way real. Christians will never make lasting positive social change either. Nor will Muslims, or Hindus, Sikhs, Jaines, Buddhist, or agnostics. Lasting change is an impossibility, for all of man's works will ultimately be for nought. All that will be left is a dead world made putrid by man's touch, and even that will inevitably be consumed in the fires of a dying star. Everything you work for an believe in will be eradicated as if it never was, and the universe will continue it's slow and inexorable march towards heat death. So party it up now, woooo!
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Jul 9, 2014 17:47
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Smoking Crow posted:I don't think that is true, op I don't think you know what OP means. Also Im sorry you don't know how stars work but it's a fact that the earth will perish as the sun expands.
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Jul 9, 2014 17:52
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Smoking Crow posted:You people do know that your life doesn't end when you have a kid right Look at this childless rube. Look at him and mock him for his ignorance.
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Jul 9, 2014 17:54
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Miltank posted:please explain the individual's role within his society using science tyia Science isn't the polar opposite of religion, brah. Miltank posted:There is this weird thing with modernity where children are now a net drag on economic production for the first time in recorded history while at the same time parents are pressured to drop their own lives and dreams to focus entirely on the lives of their children. Its idolatry probably. I'm sorry that your dad didn't hug you because he was too busy praying to the Pope or whatever, but posting here won't make him love you.
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Jul 9, 2014 18:02
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VitalSigns posted:I love how the OP started with "A Christian Theocracy would be just peachy because it would be full communism and there would be no war, just like Jesus commanded", and then people start asking about things like women's rights and it's all "Well of course women would be held as property with no political enfranchisement, access to education, economic freedom, or agency over their own bodies, it's all right there in First Corinthians. But for the male 51% of the population it'd be a paradise." You get to pay the tax, but it's 99% of your income rather than just 98% like for religious and racial minorities because you are extra evil.
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Jul 9, 2014 18:07
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Miltank posted:seems like a bit of a cop out to me. Sorry, but thems the breaks, kid.
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Jul 9, 2014 18:08
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Smoking Crow posted:Oh, nothing. We are taught to love out brothers and sisters, so probably nothing will happen to them What if the gay person isn't your sibling? Then it's to the gulags!
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Jul 9, 2014 18:10
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Miltank posted:It is really such a bummer that I have to break it to yall like this, but life has meaning and morality is real You're right. Meaning is whatever we want it to be for ourselves, and morality is what societal consensus dictates it to be. It's pretty rad. -EDIT- As an aside I'm shocked this thread hasn't been shitcanned or thrown back to GBS yet.
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Jul 9, 2014 18:11
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Smoking Crow posted:You can if you want to. I'm not stopping you. I think you'll find that gulags come from your beloved Moscow.
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Jul 9, 2014 18:13
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Smoking Crow posted:Yes, and a large majority of the residents were religious dissidents. Communism was a pretty bad period in Russian history, but the church has prevailed as it always has. It was actually the opposite. See the Russian language says sentences backwards, that's how we get Yakov Smirnov jokes. So in Russian they would say "Atheists put into gulags the Christians" but a more accurate translation would be "Christians, the gulags into put the atheists."
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Jul 9, 2014 18:20
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Miltank posted:Does anyone here want to ban birth control? The OP doesn't and neither do I so why not PM kyrie elieson if you wanna have this fight? I reject that women are inherently property without the availability of contraceptives but luckily contraceptives aren't going away because that would make no sense. OP said he'd ban abortion and that is a form of birth control. And since all birth control methods available to women can be viewed as causing abortions, the OP wants to ban all female contraceptives.
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Jul 9, 2014 18:22
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Smoking Crow posted:They can be, but they aren't Haha, you dont even know what your own position is.
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Jul 9, 2014 18:25
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^^^^^ That but unironically ________ Smoking Crow posted:I believe my position is What is it with theocrats and being pedophiles?
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Jul 9, 2014 18:29
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Miltank posted:The meaning of life is to love every human as if they were a member of your intimate community and to love the Lord your God with all of your heart, soul mind, strength, ect. Soul mind was my dump stat because I'm a sorcerer and not a Paladin.
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Jul 9, 2014 18:37
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Smoking Crow posted:1) I am not a pedophile, sir. Anime is made exclusively for pedophiles. You like anime. You are a pedophile.
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Jul 9, 2014 18:45
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Effectronica posted:Catholics, and probably Orthodox Christians too, are more likely than average to be pro-gay in the USA. The position outlined is one of religiously-oriented rule, not adopting the structure of the church into the government. Therefore, the proposed liturgical theocracy would have more support for gay rights than the USA does currently. This only applies the laypeople. The Catholic Church as an organization doesn't support equal rights for homosexuals, even if now they have the good sense to tap dance around actually saying as much. quote:Ironclad logic. It's never been proven false.
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Jul 9, 2014 19:06
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Effectronica posted:Again, this is not suggesting that the hierarchy of the American Orthodox Churches take over the government, nor the Catholic Church, from anything that I can see. Do you have any idea what a Theocracy is? quote:And I would like some proof that Steven Spielberg is a child molester. Did he produce or does he like anime? If yes then he is a pedophile. Not all pedophiles are child molesters, though. Miltank posted:The Catholic Church as an institution cannot accept gay marriage until it reexamines its entire doctrine on sex and reproduction. As it stands gays have just as much right to enter into a childless marriage as a straight person does. If they can't marry who they love (I.E. Another person of the same gender) then that right is meaningless, much like your religion as a whole.
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Jul 9, 2014 19:18
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Effectronica posted:Theocracy means rule by religious law. It does not say anything about the Church hierarchy serving as the government. This would make Sunni theocracies impossible otherwise. We're not talking about Sunnis now are we? Even if the church hierarchy wouldn't be in positions by law, they would almost certainly find those positions in a weird coincidence (it wouldn't actually be a coincidence). quote:And good job with the accusations of public figures as pedophiles. Truly, a logical process free from error. I'm sorry that your cartoons of bug-eyes little girls showing their panties is targeted at and consumed by pedophiles. Maybe like something that isn't so awful?
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Jul 9, 2014 19:25
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Effectronica posted:Theocracy only applies to Christians? This is surely not reasonable. In America it does, yes.
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Jul 9, 2014 19:29
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Effectronica posted:This is an asinine position to hold. Definitions should not shift so broadly when we talk about one specific country if we are to have meaningful communication. I don't know what to tell you then, but that's the way it works. Different cultures that have similar terms can have vastly different meanings.
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Jul 9, 2014 19:31
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Effectronica posted:So what would we call a hypothetical USA that was ruled by Buddhist law? quote:What should we call this proposed society, which separates out religious authority and secular (an example of a word that genuinely shifts meanings in this context) authority but still has the secular authority informed by religious values? That's what we have right now. It's just that there isn't a sole religion from which these authorities must be informed by. quote:Because saying "Theocracy requires popery!" is not convincing as a response to this system without outlining the means by which it is impossible to establish this system outlined in the prior sentence. Theocracy does require popery because that's exactly what a theocracy is. Brandor outlined this for you, but your thinking of a theonomy.
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Smoking Crow posted:Please stop fighting, my D&D friends gently caress you, you're not my real dad, you can't tell me what to do!
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