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Ignore the score
A baseball diamond in the middle of field is some bush league poo poo
The Problem
Oakland–Alameda County Coliseum
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McAfee Coliseum
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O.co Coliseum is a miserable shithole that was built in 1966 and has a capacity of around 53,000 sad fans (for football, other sports have less/more depending on the configuration) or approximately 50.4% of Jerryworld.
Oh, and the stadium tends to spew poo poo at you
quote:On June 16, 2013 following the game against the Seattle Mariners, the Coliseum experienced a severe sewage backup. This led to pipes leaking out puddles of sewage into the showers, offices, visitor training room and storage areas on the clubhouse level of the stadium, all of which are 3 feet below sea level. After the game, the A's and Mariners were forced to share the Oakland Raiders locker room, located on the stadium's second floor. According to Coliseum officials, the stadium's aging plumbing system was overtaxed after a six-game homestand that drew close to baseball capacity crowds totaling 171,756 fans.
According to numerous reports, sewage problems are very common at the stadium. For instance, on one occasion the Angels complained about E. coli in the visiting team's training room after a backup. The plumbing is so old that backups occur even when no events are taking place there. For instance, Wolff wanted to go to dinner on June 12, 2013 (while the A's were on the road) at one of the Coliseum's restaurants, only to find out that food service had been halted due to a sewage leak in the kitchen
Video documentation: http://www.mercurynews.com/athletics/ci_25448527/oakland-coliseum-greets-another-sewage-backup
The Oakland Athletics want to go to San Jose, but they can't because the Giants were given those territorial rights way back in the early 90's when they threatened to move.
So the A's want to have a lease in place to give them some time to either reacquire the rights to SJ (doubtful, though the city is currently suing the MLB) or wait for a new development to arrive.
quote:For the A's to move to San Jose, either the San Francisco Giants would have to rescind their territorial rights on the area, or at least 23 of the 30 MLB owners would have to vote in the A's favor and force San Francisco to give up their territorial claim to Santa Clara County. Current team owner Lew Wolff has stated, "My goal and desire for the organization is to determine a way to keep the team in Northern California." The Giants have repeatedly refused to cede their territorial rights to the San Jose area (which had been yielded by the A's in the early 1990s when the Giants had been in danger of relocating to Tampa Bay, previously both teams had shared the South Bay), although the team is open to sharing AT&T Park with the A's on a temporary basis if the A's have plans for a permanent stadium in the works.
Having a 10-year lease in place gives them time and comfort to figure out where they go next.
The Raiders want to demolish the Coliseum and build a new one (along with big time real estate development) at the current site. The Raiders absolutely cannot wait around 10 years (even though the A's opt out of the lease as early as 2016). If the A's get the 10-year lease extension they are seeking in lieu of a move to San Jose, the Raiders' push to get a new stadium built on the site would be severely affected.
The Raiders are willing to include two stadiums in the development of "Coliseum City" (cheesy, sales name for redevelopment project at current site). The Athletics are open to the idea, albeit not incredibly keen on it. Problem is, the Raiders haven't the money OR development group to make Coliseum City happen, and A's owner insists that he be part of the developer selection process.
While there has been some traction in making Coliseum City happen, without investors or developers, it's basically a pipe dream. Knowing this, the A's would rather take care of themselves in the immediate future and then address the next move, be it in Oakland, SJ or elsewhere.
There is an issue with demolishing the Coliseum, as it has not been paid off yet (who cares, it's a sunk cost at this point)
The Raiders are claiming that the 10-year lease is no good for them and have claimed to have already made plans to move elsewhere. LA is the popular rumor, which also presents plenty of stadium challenges (namely that whoever houses the Raiders is going to demand equity in the team, which, haha).
Soooooooo long story short, the A's want to know that they have a home after next season, and the Raiders want a new home after next season. Between both clubs and the powers that be in Oakland politics, It's a really embarrassing situation. Like, sewage flooding clubhouse embarrassing.
It would certainly seem from a distance that the Raiders are trying to flex the NFL muscles and have their way. Granted, an MLB team can survive at the Coliseum for a few more years, not sure if an NFL team can. Again, embarrassing and ugly.
Both teams are trying to save some face with the public:
quote:Davis said he doesn't want to make it a Raiders-vs.-A's situation; he just wants a stadium in Oakland.
"We need to get something -- both of us really need stadiums, new ones," Davis said.
"And there's no blame I don't think between the A's and the Raiders or the city or anybody else. We just have to get something done if we can."
Last week, the Oakland A's signed a lease that would keep the A's in Oakland for another 10 years
quote:The Oakland Athletics will be playing in O.co Coliseum for the next 10 years, the club announced in a press release Thursday. The talk of perhaps moving to San Jose or elsewhere is effectively put to bed and from the sounds of things, the A's won't be getting a new stadium in Oakland for at least 10 years.
However,
quote:But by Thursday evening, trouble for the deal appeared on the horizon - again.
Now that the lease deal has won approval from the Coliseum board, it must win separate approvals by the Oakland City Council and Alameda County Board of Supervisors. Both bodies are expected to vote on the issue before Aug. 1, in time for the A's to start building a new scoreboard system agreed to in the deal, so that it's ready for next season.
The deal allows the team to give two years' notice of its intent to leave Oakland but requires the team to continue paying the lease for the remainder of the 10-year term, even if the team leaves. The deal lets the A's off the hook for making those lease payments only if they move to another stadium within Oakland.
HOWEVER
The Raiders are currently in talks to blow up the stadium to make room for Coliseum City. The current chairman of the Coliseum Authority said of the plan to tear down the stadium:
quote:"This is either smoke and mirrors, or they're on crack." and "totally preposterous. ... We still owe about $180 million on the stadium."
And of course Mark Davis is not quite threatening to move to LA. Yet.
quote:If Davis doesn't hear more positive news by this summer, he said he will have to consider alternate locations such as Los Angeles.
Asked specifically if East Bay Raiders fans have to worry about losing the team to Southern California, Davis mostly demurred answering.
"That's a tough question -- I don't know how to answer that, to be honest," Davis said.
Later, he added that East Bay fans don't have to worry about an L.A. move "at this time" but pointed out again that the timetable is not a long one.
Probable Outcomes
-The A's lease will probably be approved and the Raiders will be forced to show their hand. To be honest I think the move to LA is a giant bluff, but it will be interesting to see what happens in the coming months.
-A's move to San Jose after Bud Selig retires and the Raiders are left up poo poo creek
-Raiders somehow manage to share a stadium with the 49ers for a limited time
-Coliseum City is built and both teams are housed (lol)
-Raiders move to LA
-Raiders use the Cal Golden Bears Stadium for a limited time
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The cost from renovations during the mid-90's when the Raiders returned from LA
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quote:An emailer reminded me of a potentially very significant issue involving the commisioner’s less-than-subtle nudging of the 49ers and Raiders to sit down and talk about the Raiders at least temporarily playing games at the 49ers’ new Levi’s Stadium:
What about the 61,500 seat licenses (or Stadium Builders Licenses) that the 49ers sold to raise $500M for the costs of construction?
Those SBLs cost anywhere from $2,000 to $80,000 PER SEAT–not a minor purchase here–and aren’t just about having cushy chairs and good drink service at 49ers games.
Part of the agreement is that SBL-holders have first dibs on most other events at the stadium. It’s a standard luxury accommodation for seat-licenses and it will include the Earthquakes game to open the place on Aug. 2, the bowl game in December, the Pac-12 title game, concerts, and all that Jed York can provide beyond the 49ers home schedule…
And…
There is no way the Raiders would agree to 49ers SBL-holders getting first look at their tickets.
Even if they did, the 49ers wouldn’t want to share any % of their precious SBL cash with the Raiders.
Zero chance times zero.
Uh oh.
This is part of what Raiders Mark Davis means when he talks about having a real home for the Raiders and their fans, not a rented place that was built by somebody else for themselves.
The 49ers built this stadium with fans and companies who paid enormous sums for year-round access to events at Levi’s–it’s a license, not a ticket–and any Raiders game would necessarily be separate from that.
Separate and unequal.
So, if the Raiders ever happened to come in as tenants…
The 49ers would have a LARGE problem when the Raiders charge less than the 49ers charge for the same seats (anything’s cheaper than $80K!)…
Which is when the 49ers SBL-holders would logically start screaming because they paid upwards of $80K PLUS the cost of a game ticket for the same seats a Raider fan is paying $75 or whatever the price to purchase.
$80,300, let’s say, vs. $75. For the same seat, for a game in the same league, maybe even against the same opponent.
That is a problem. That is a big problem.
I’ve heard NFL sources mutter about this SBL-Raider tickets problem, and potential SBL-holder lawsuits (and guys who can spend 80K on ONE SEAT usually have plenty of money to fund lawsuits) and the like.
I’ve heard that nobody has a good answer for it, not practically.
And then I forgot about the issue when I wrote the last item about the commissioner’s big Raiders-at-Levi’s trial balloon.
So I’m mentioning it now. We know the NFL wants to settle the Raiders stadium problem (at least temporarily) by putting them in Levi’s Stadium with the 49ers, and we know the NFL put $200M into the construction so the NFL has some ability to lean on both teams.
But the Raiders have said they don’t want to do it, the 49ers have said they’re open (because it’s in the agreement with the NFL and Santa Clara that they HAVE to be open to it), yet we know the 49ers aren’t in love with idea of being the Raiders’ landlords.
Finally, the SBL problem might be the trickiest one of all–because it’s not about influence or willingness, it’s about cold cash.
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The solution is to move them to LA
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Asked a league source what about #Raiders meeting in San Antonio. Was asked this: "What does Jerry Jones think? Or Bob McNair?" Big obstacle
As some one who just moved to Texas
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Jerry Jones ain't gonna let it happen
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Jerry Jones on rumors of Raiders talking with San Antonio: I don't make a lot out of it.
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Jerry also mentioned how important San Antonio is to the Cowboys.
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I was shocked seeing so many Watt jerseys after moving to Houston, I honestly thought it would go something like Dallas>A&M>>>>>Texans
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Richmond is bigger than New Orleans and Buffalo and a hair smaller than San Diego and Jacksonville.
Richmond also presumably has Norfolk/Virginia Beach
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Chicago has the population, but they really, really like the one they already have
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quote:(08-06) 11:14 PDT Oakland -- The A's have begun talks with an architect to build a baseball-only stadium at the Oakland Coliseum site, A's owner Lew Wolff said Wednesday.
"I've always loved Oakland. I love our fans. But we need a new venue," he said. "We're going to make our sincerest effort to do that."
Wolff's comments came on the heels of the Oakland Coliseum board unanimously ratifying a 10-year contract with the team, which keeps them in Oakland at least through the 2018 season.
Appearing with Oakland and Alameda County leaders at he Coliseum offices, Wolff said he was relieved to get the contract signed after 15 months of often tense negotiations and was looking forward to building the team a new stadium.
"(The Coliseum board) has been our landlord for almost 50 years. This lease is very important to us," he said. "It was a little more confusing than we thought it would be, but at the end of the day we're all in the same family. ... Now we've got a winning streak in Major League Baseball as well as with the (Coliseum board)."
The ratification followed months of debate between the Oakland City Council, Alameda County Board of Supervisors, the Coliseum board and A's leaders over the details of the lease, on topics ranging from a new scoreboard to the impact on the Oakland Raiders to the A's ability to build a new stadium.
Alameda County Supervisor Nate Miley was elated to finally get the contract signed.
"This is extremely important and gratifying for the City of Oakland, Alameda County and the entire region," he said. "It's just fantastic. It symbolizes our mutual respect and desire to work together."
Oakland Mayor Jean Quan, City Council members Rebecca Kaplan, Larry Reid and Noel Gallo, as well as Wolff and the rest of the Coliseum board, signed baseballs and a wooden bat to celebrate.
"It's been a long, frustrating 15 months," said Reid, who sits on the Coliseum board. "Now we can begin talking about building a new stadium."
http://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/A-s-approach-architect-about-building-a-new-5672384.php
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Billionaire Red McCombs told the San Antonio Express-News on Wednesday that he and his family would be interested in buying a piece of the Oakland Raiders "if that's what it would take to get them" to San Antonio.
quote:McCombs, however, said he's not sure whether Raiders owner Mark Davis would seek out local investors if he was to relocate the team.
"But I told him if he wanted some, they wouldn't be hard to get," he told the newspaper.
Davis and two high-ranking Raiders front-office personnel met with several city officials in July about the potential of moving his team from Oakland to San Antonio, the Express-News reported last month. McCombs and Spurs owner Peter Holt also were at the meeting.
Davis has acknowledged the visit in a statement he released last month.
McCombs, who owned the Minnesota Vikings from 1998 until 2004, told the Express-News on Wednesday that Davis' visit couldn't "have gone better."
McCombs told the newspaper that it is his belief there is a "definite possibility there may be a relocation" and he doesn't think San Antonio is being used as a "bargaining chip."
The Raiders need a new stadium -- the current lease at O.co Coliseum will expire after this upcoming season -- and had previously, in a roundabout way, been linked to San Antonio, Los Angeles and Portland, Oregon, as well as nearby Concord and Dublin in the East Bay.
In his statement last month, Davis specifically mentioned former San Antonio Mayor Henry Cisneros, citing him as a friend who suggested he meet with city officials. McCombs said Wednesday that Cisneros could be the key if the Raiders relocate to South Texas.
"Mr. Davis was impressed by Henry -- pure and simple," McCombs told the newspaper. "I don't know whether it's a long way from a deal or whatever, but at least there was an opening there and we have a leader to take charge."
McCombs acknowledged to the Express-News the odds might be against San Antonio to land the Raiders, but he thinks the city has solidified itself as a contender if Davis decides to relocate the team.
"For a guy to pick up and move from a place he's been as long as he's been there, that takes a lot," McCombs told the newspaper. "It may not happen. But you got to be in the game, you've got to give yourself a chance, and that's what Henry's doing."
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Jerry Jones gushes about Michael Ovitz LA stadium model, with his arms around Ovitz and LA-hungry Mark Davis.
quote:Perhaps it was all mere coincidence. It was just quirky timing that, with his franchise again a free agent after the season, and his efforts to get a stadium in Los Angeles taking on a more fevered pitch, and with him openly flirting with San Antonio to up the relocation ante, now, of all times, Mark Davis's Oakland Raiders happened to travel to Southern California for two days of practices with the Cowboys.
But, as they stood on a field at a training complex roughly 60 miles from downtown LA, it was surely no coincidence that as soon as practice was over Cowboys owner Jerry Jones, as slick of a media maven as they come, sought out a robust gathering of reporters, and threw his arm around Davis and Hollywood mogul Michael Ovitz. Then he launched into a soliloquy about his deep relationship with Davis, and his high esteem for an LA stadium model that Ovitz conducted and its viability to house an NFL franchise (or two, ultimately, if the NFL gets its way with this market).
This seemed like anything other than an improv act – nothing from the Actor's Studio – but rather more akin to in-your-face performance art, as the overtones of Raiders-back-to-LA were impossible to miss. Oh, and Magic Johnson (who knows a thing or two about ownership and was once represented by Ovitz) happened to be standing a few yards away, and Tommy Lasorda was sitting at a sideline-chair in a VIP area off to the side. Jones was all smiles, and the vocal – and borderline manic – Raiders fans who outnumbered Cowboys fans here and screamed as the team busses pulled up and chanting "Cowboys suck" for a good part of the afternoon made for quite the sonic backdrop to a fairly surreal scene that at times seemed like an infomercial for the NFL in LA.
Jones waxed nostalgic about Ovitz's stadium model, which cost "seven figures" to produce. He and Ovitz joked that model remains "the only stadium anyone is playing (football) in," while Davis stood on the opposite side of Jones, somewhat awkwardly. Taking the bait after the line of questioning turned to the Cowboys' recent minor transactions and Orlando Scandrick's drug suspension, I asked Jones, "Could that model still serve as a viable option for an NFL team in LA?"
"It would make a beautiful stadium," Jones said, outright beaming. "Yes it would."
Davis, for his part, spoke of Jones almost like a father figure, in the same reverential tones both men spoke of Davis's father, Al, one of the game's great builders and a Hall of Famer. "It's a great relationship," Davis said of his bond with Jones. "I look to him for answers on everything." This was another instance in this briefing that begged for a follow up -- "Have you conferred with Jones about San Antonio?", a market Jones has dubbed as Cowboys Country.
"We haven't talked about that yet, but we'll see," Davis said.
Davis has no long-term viable options in the Bay Area, short of perhaps sharing Levi's Stadium with the 49ers, which he remains diametrically opposed to. He would love to move to Los Angeles and has intensified his desire to do so in recent months, spending oodles of time in the area, sources have said. The NFL, however, would prefer to give another ownership group the rights to Los Angeles -- make no mistake, the road to LA goes through the league office in New York -- as the Davis family already pulled out of Southern California once, and Davis doesn't have the real estate, marketing and overall business expertise the league would demand for the coveted market.
Of course, having Jones, maybe the most influential owner in the league, work with him to build a consortium of business giants and Hollywood elites might make that option more viable. Make no mistake, the sense of urgency of several parties to get to LA has increased, and will only consider to do so. The Rams are also lease free agents after the season and their owner, Stan Kroenke, already owns a huge parcel of land in LA that could house a stadium, and the Chargers, the franchise closest to Los Angeles, are not burdened by massive financial hurdles in their lease, either.
Jones is among the owners who continue to speak regularly about the importance of getting a team to LA -- imagine spinning one of the league's bottom three revenue generators into a top-five earner for the shared revenue pie? -- and don't expect that to change anytime soon. He looked comfortable as ever in the salesman role, and no doubt Davis loves having him as his wingman, doing the talking for him.
Maybe it amounts to nothing in the end, but Davis is clearly becoming increasingly visible and vocal about his dalliances with other locales, and no doubt he covets Los Angeles above San Antonio or anyplace else.
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Yeah I highlighted the wrong part just for giggles, but the interesting part is how Jerry is pushing(helping) Davis towards LA
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quote:Davis and the Raiders have a one-year lease at O.Co Coliseum. Per Tafur, Davis hasn’t requested an extension, and he doesn’t plan to do so.
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