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Wiggy Marie posted:Why are you arguing this particular point? Is it impossible for an adaptation into a completely different medium to carry a different intention than the original work? Naw. Dystram meant something else all along. You couldn't tell because all you had to go on were his posts.
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Wiggy Marie posted:Why are you arguing this particular point? Is it impossible for an adaptation into a completely different medium to carry a different intention than the original work? Anytime. 
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This is embarrassing.
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Dystram posted:yeah because death of the author bullshit is just that, bullshit Okay so if you don't even understand basic poo poo then this discussion is pointless I guess.
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Dec 25, 2014 00:00
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He doesn't want a discussion, he's trolling and we bit.
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Dystram posted:Probably because they enjoyed the book but would rather not be caught liking best selling dumb poo poo so they turn it into faux intellectual satire. Soz bro. I don't give half a gently caress about liking best selling dumb poo poo, I happily read Lee Child and Nelson DeMille right alongside Pynchon and David Foster Wallace. I still saw satirical elements in Gone Girl, specifically the way it takes MRA talking points and turns them on their head to show that even if they were true, it wouldn't give someone like Amy any meaningful power in society beyond manipulation of a few people.
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SALT CURES HAM posted:I don't give half a gently caress about liking best selling dumb poo poo, I happily read Lee Child and Nelson DeMille right alongside Pynchon and David Foster Wallace. I still saw satirical elements in Gone Girl, specifically the way it takes MRA talking points and turns them on their head to show that even if they were true, it wouldn't give someone like Amy any meaningful power in society beyond manipulation of a few people. More like manipulation of the public, the media, the FBI, Nick, and so on. More like manipulation of everyone. There have been a few media spectacles the last few years that show pretty girls are tough to convict for murder and that they're the most important missing persons ever.
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Dystram posted:More like manipulation of the public, the media, the FBI, Nick, and so on. More like manipulation of everyone. But where does this leave her? Exactly where she started, minus two potential outs (Desi's dead and if she disappeared again, people would see through it) and with an extra tie to Nick.
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SALT CURES HAM posted:But where does this leave her? Exactly where she started, minus two potential outs (Desi's dead and if she disappeared again, people would see through it) and with an extra tie to Nick. I'm sure someone with her skill in manipulation could figure out something.
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But she did figure out something, and it did exactly dick for her.
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SALT CURES HAM posted:But she did figure out something, and it did exactly dick for her. She has all the power in the end.
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Nick isn't forced to stay with Amy at all. He wants to and thrives on the lie as much as she does, and the baby is just the excuse that lets him justify it to himself. Boney honestly could sink Amy with Nick's collaboration at this point. But it's no longer what he wants.
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I really liked this movie. I loved how the information you were given was tainted. I loved that the bad guy was, but not, but yes it was, the one you thought. Excellent perfomances by Rosamund Pike, and also Ben Affleck imo. Also NPH was great in his tiny role. I can't say anything bad tbh.
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BOAT SHOWBOAT posted:Nick isn't forced to stay with Amy at all. He wants to and thrives on the lie as much as she does, and the baby is just the excuse that lets him justify it to himself. I agree that he buys into it, for sure.
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Also I am sure this has been said countless times in this thread, but just the basic subversion with the woman being the bad guy, but not doing it in a lovely crap way, I loved it.
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Snapchat A Titty posted:Also I am sure this has been said countless times in this thread, but just the basic subversion with the woman being the bad guy, but not doing it in a lovely crap way, I loved it. I kind of liked that until it became too much of a supervillain level of manipulation. Anyway, just saw the movie, I really liked it. I specially enjoyed the supporting cast, from the creepy judgmental cop, the detective, Dunne's sister, even Tyler Perry was pretty good.
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What's great about the film is how deeply it's influenced. Even 10 minutes into the movie, things like "He's playing the Game of Life with his sister and stops so he can add another peg into his car", the first kiss/swab cut, and the mechanical dog. (Because that's what both of them want from the relationship, and when they go on TV as a married couple, they get a matching cat). People who complain that her first crime is too perfect completely ignore how she hosed up her next crime, and then had to take months to do a final, semi-successful one.
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Wiggy Marie posted:It appears the satire was there all along. David Fincher sums it all up: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eGtVthP1b2Q
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James Hardon posted:Fincher's work has been a huge part of my life since my teens. Fight Club had a big impact on me and showed me how fake and corrupt our modern consumerist society is and also that the Pixies are sick and I still lol at the dick pics getting spliced into movies part. As I matured and took an Intro to Women's Studies elective freshman year of college I learned about feminism and what I learned gave me a lot of material for my blog when The Girl With the Dragon Tatoo remake hit theaters a few years ago. Oh yeah The Social Network was cool too. "I'm CEO, bitch!"
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In the commentary, Fincher tells a story about how Affleck wouldn't wear a Yankees cap when he's at the airport flying back from New York after meeting with Tyler Perry. Fincher says that Affleck was not a very professional actor because he held up production for 4 days. Affleck tells the same story to the New York Times but didn't include the lurid details, and apparently Fincher and Affleck are friends now. Did Affleck really hold up production for 4 days? Does Fincher really think Affleck is unprofessional?
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A dumb nerd like Fincher could never understand why a Boston Red Sox fan would never wear a Yankees hat, make believe pretend version or not. I'm with Affleck on that one, choose a different hat for the guy you ignorant nerd.
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maniacripper posted:A dumb nerd like Fincher could never understand why a Boston Red Sox fan would never wear a Yankees hat, make believe pretend version or not. I'm with Affleck on that one, choose a different hat for the guy you ignorant nerd.
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Actors are stupid and hopefully robots will replace them in the near future.
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Really, I was expecting a murder-suicide at the end of the movie. Like that one guy did in Florida, I think.
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maniacripper posted:A dumb nerd like Fincher could never understand why a Boston Red Sox fan would never wear a Yankees hat, make believe pretend version or not. I'm with Affleck on that one, choose a different hat for the guy you ignorant nerd. Affleck is comfortable pretend-beating a woman in this movie but wearing a hat is the WORST
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it's just the inverse of Scorsese not being able to get Jack Nicholson to wear a Red Sox hat in the Departed.
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Josh Lyman posted:In the commentary, Fincher tells a story about how Affleck wouldn't wear a Yankees cap when he's at the airport flying back from New York after meeting with Tyler Perry. Fincher says that Affleck was not a very professional actor because he held up production for 4 days.
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Enjoyed this enough that I'm actually watching it for the second time today. Glad I wasn't the only one to invoke The Last Seduction, another movie about a cruel, manipulative woman who takes advantage of how guys view her to get what she wants. (Naturally, Linda Fiorentino has been branded a bitch before.) I don't see either film as misogynistic, they're just acutely aware of how much more harshly women are judged when they're the bad guy and take advantage of it to make us uncomfortable. It's more polished and more soapy, but that only makes me like it that much more.
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Also, the casting in this movie is across-the-board hilarious. Affleck as the dull Midwestern hunk, Tyler Perry as the master manipulator of stereotypes, Emily Ratajkowski as ditz-with-big-tits, NPH as creepy rich bachelor...
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Eb posted:Fincher is a funny guy. When I heard the commentary I assumed the 4 days thing was a (dry) joke. I mean it would have to be, right? Yeah, if you've never listened to the commentary for Fight Club, it's pretty funny. Partly because of the dialogue between Norton, Pitt, and Fincher. Partly because they splice in Helena Bonham-Carter's comments very blatantly.
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maniacripper posted:A dumb nerd like Fincher could never understand why a Boston Red Sox fan would never wear a Yankees hat, make believe pretend version or not. I'm with Affleck on that one, choose a different hat for the guy you ignorant nerd. Sport is loving stupid.
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Steve2911 posted:Sport is loving stupid. actually, it's pretty cool
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Eb posted:Fincher is a funny guy. When I heard the commentary I assumed the 4 days thing was a (dry) joke. I mean it would have to be, right? What is real? 
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God drat this movie was good. Its cinematic mastery is only matched by the delightful fury of feminist criticism directed towards it. edit: Tyler Perry was amazing in it oswald ownenstein fucked around with this message at 04:41 on Jan 5, 2015 |
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I didn't expect the movie to take such a darkly comedic turn, and also did not expect Rosamund Pike to turn into Jennifer Aniston.
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Golden Bee posted:...the first kiss/swab cut... Holy poo poo that was one of the best scene transitions I've seen in a long time.
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Whoever said that the post-it note(s) that sunnily ask 'Kill self?' is the best moment of dark comedy this year is spot loving on. I'd put one up in my cubicle at work if it wouldn't warrant a call from HR.
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Saw this on Tumblr.
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I said come in! posted:Saw this on Tumblr. This was actually commissioned by the studio to help advertise for the film. I'm not sure if it is still the case, but you could buy the "Amazing Amy Collection" on Amazon, which included a few short stories and illustrations from the fictional series. I think a few illustrations end up in the background,, most notably at the release of "Amy's Big Day."  
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