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Disproportionation
Feb 20, 2011

Oh god it's the Clone Saga all over again.

mind the walrus posted:

YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND I'VE BEEN SAYING THIS FOR YEARS OH GOD

It's not that hard to mistake it for something innocent, in a lot of the UK it specifically refers to digging implements (we don't even have that particular slur afaik) so I didn't know the other meaning either until a few years ago.

E: New page, let's get back on topic; I really like how Judge uniforms kinda break expected comic costume conventions on simplicity while still being fitting and readable:

Disproportionation fucked around with this message at 20:09 on Sep 9, 2016

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Discendo Vox
Mar 21, 2013

We don't need to have that dialogue because it's obvious, trivial, and has already been had a thousand times.
The root etymology is unrelated, and the racial use is virtually unheard of, especially intentionally. It's not something to worry about, unless the alt-right starts using it again.

purple death ray
Jul 28, 2007

me omw 2 steal ur girl

Yeah that is why I said it was a poor choice of words and not "that phrase is racist as gently caress." It was just an unfortunate coincidence.

Lurdiak
Feb 26, 2006

I believe in a universe that doesn't care, and people that do.


It's like the term spook. You can use it to talk about ghosts or government agents, but make sure the context is clear, because in some parts it has another meaning.

Perry Normal
Jul 23, 2010

Humans disgust me. Vile creatures.
Likewise, you can say you have a chink in your armour as long as you're not talking about this.

C. Everett Koop
Aug 18, 2008

Perry Normal posted:

Likewise, you can say you have a chink in your armour as long as you're not talking about this.



fyp

Chinaman7000
Nov 28, 2003

This is great material awesome stuff

Vulpes Vulpes
Apr 28, 2013

"...for you, it is all over...!"
I've been making my way through the Morrison Batman stuff and man, that Batman Inc. costume just did not work. I can't get my head around getting rid of Batman's (and Superman's) trunks. The costume just looks all off without them. Which I guess reminds me of how much I liked Paul Pope's Batman.

Though granted I don't know if it would work if anyone but Pope drew it. Speaking of which, what are some other costumes that are artist-specific?

edit: also his monster teeth were dope as hell

Vulpes Vulpes fucked around with this message at 01:51 on Sep 13, 2016

purple death ray
Jul 28, 2007

me omw 2 steal ur girl

God daaaaaamn I love Paul Pope's Batman. It's weird because I hate 'realistic' costumes when it results in Nolan-style body armor but I love this 'realistic' Batman where he just looks like a crazy hobo in a grey sweatsuit with a bunch of junk strapped to his belt.

Rafael Grampa's another one with a very artist-unique batsuit. I love his Batsymbol which is made up of a few triangles:



As well as his Luchador Wolverine

WickedHate
Aug 1, 2013

by Lowtax
Ramon Villalobos has awesome designs and I'm just gonna link his tumblr because all his stuff rules. He reminds me of Frank Quitely, but a bit more...dynamic, maybe?

mind the walrus
Sep 22, 2006

Luchador wolverine is great

Selachian
Oct 9, 2012

Vulpes Vulpes posted:

edit: also his monster teeth were dope as hell


Never seen that before. I wonder if it was inspired by the pulp hero The Spider, who wore fangs, a wig, a fake nose, and a fake hunchback to make himself look creepy when he was out fighting crime.

(This was before comics introduced the idea that you could just slap on a domino mask and no one would be able to recognize you.)

TouchToneDialing
Jul 21, 2006

Travis343 posted:

God daaaaaamn I love Paul Pope's Batman. It's weird because I hate 'realistic' costumes when it results in Nolan-style body armor but I love this 'realistic' Batman where he just looks like a crazy hobo in a grey sweatsuit with a bunch of junk strapped to his belt.

Rafael Grampa's another one with a very artist-unique batsuit. I love his Batsymbol which is made up of a few triangles:



As well as his Luchador Wolverine



I love all of his work so much. The luchador Thor is really cool too.



I actually made a custom action figure of his Daredevil and he shared it on his Instagram account! I was pretty pumped. Im going to make the wolverine at some point too.



ImpAtom
May 24, 2007

I do like the idea of Batman having easily removable prosthetic to make himself look more terrifying at a glance.

Though it makes me picture him forgetting he has them in, trying to talk to Gordon, and then hastily turning around and slipping them out praying that Gordon doesn't say anything.

Flesh Forge
Jan 31, 2011

LET ME TELL YOU ABOUT MY DOG
Imagine the conversation where he forgets he has them in: "CURRISHIRER GORRUH I HAGH THU THALK THU YOOO" with slobber spraying everywhere
i.e., totally bad rear end

DJ Fuckboy Supreme
Feb 10, 2011

And when you stare long into the abyss, you become aggressively, terminally chill

Flesh Forge posted:

Imagine the conversation where he forgets he has them in: "CURRISHIRER GORRUH I HAGH THU THALK THU YOOO" with slobber spraying everywhere
i.e., totally bad rear end

So Bale's batman then

Flesh Forge
Jan 31, 2011

LET ME TELL YOU ABOUT MY DOG
Exactly!

PoptartsNinja
May 9, 2008

He is still almost definitely not a spy


Soiled Meat

Roth posted:

DC's current direction with their movies seems to be them pushing against the whole "Superfriends" perception they think most people have.

An actual Superfriends movie would probably do better than what they've actually been producing at this point.

haitfais
Aug 7, 2005

I am offended by your ham, sir.

NotAnArtist posted:

So Bale's batman then

That explains so much.

Lurdiak
Feb 26, 2006

I believe in a universe that doesn't care, and people that do.


PoptartsNinja posted:

An actual Superfriends movie would probably do better than what they've actually been producing at this point.

I just don't understand why DC is afraid of being successful for the 'wrong reason' (being fun).

WickedHate
Aug 1, 2013

by Lowtax

Lurdiak posted:

I just don't understand why DC is afraid of being successful for the 'wrong reason' (being fun).

I reckon it's because the company has inmates running the asylum and they want their childhood heroes taken very seriously. It's part of the Aquaman issue-you've got all these grown up nerds with an inferiority complex who perceive themselves and their lifelong hobbies as the target of mockery, so there's a bit of overcompensation at work.

mind the walrus
Sep 22, 2006

WickedHate posted:

I reckon it's because the company has inmates running the asylum and they want their childhood heroes taken very seriously. It's part of the Aquaman issue-you've got all these grown up nerds with an inferiority complex who perceive themselves and their lifelong hobbies as the target of mockery, so there's a bit of overcompensation at work.

This is the creative side, to be sure. Geoff Johns' last Aquaman series is practically Exhibit A.

On the business side you have bean counters who see Marvel dominating the "all-ages family" demographic and think "then we have to hit the edgy, hip teen/young adult demographic to be successful."

This works directly against the fact that Marvel's entire ouvre was a youthful, edgy subversion of the superhero template DC established. DC has always been the Coke to Marvel's Pepsi in terms of culture, but Marvel has always been Coke to DC's Pepsi in terms of finances. This dissonance actively hurts their bottom line but not nearly enough for anyone up high looking at returns to care.

purple death ray
Jul 28, 2007

me omw 2 steal ur girl

mind the walrus posted:

This is the creative side, to be sure. Geoff Johns' last Aquaman series is practically Exhibit A.

On the business side you have bean counters who see Marvel dominating the "all-ages family" demographic and think "then we have to hit the edgy, hip teen/young adult demographic to be successful."

This works directly against the fact that Marvel's entire ouvre was a youthful, edgy subversion of the superhero template DC established. DC has always been the Coke to Marvel's Pepsi in terms of culture, but Marvel has always been Coke to DC's Pepsi in terms of finances. This dissonance actively hurts their bottom line but not nearly enough for anyone up high looking at returns to care.

Except for when Marvel almost went bankrupt and had to sell off their most successful properties to stay afloat, forcing them to build a brand around the reject C-listers nobody else wanted to make movies about.

I'm not actually sure what the finances of Coke vs. Pepsi even mean, to be completely honest?

Lurdiak
Feb 26, 2006

I believe in a universe that doesn't care, and people that do.


I think it means that coke has always been ahead by a fairly wide margin no matter what Pepsi tries.

mind the walrus
Sep 22, 2006

Travis343 posted:

Except for when Marvel almost went bankrupt and had to sell off their most successful properties to stay afloat, forcing them to build a brand around the reject C-listers nobody else wanted to make movies about.

That was because Marvel overextended and essentially tried to become their own 100% independent entity from production to distribution to merchandising. Their implosion is a big reason Diamond got a stranglehold on US distribution. Even at the time it was considered this big "wait what?" moment that signified the end of the 90s "bubble."

quote:

I'm not actually sure what the finances of Coke vs. Pepsi even mean, to be completely honest?

Coke is the market leader over Pepsi, at least if you compare only the colas. Coke's marketing reflects this with all of its more traditional "Santa Claus" and "people going out to have fun" ads which make Coke seem like this good ol' American Normal Rockwell stalwart. Hell I think the US Santa Claus is a direct invention of Coca Cola's marketing.

Pepsi meanwhile markets itself as the hipper, edgier alternative to coke-- more sexualized ads, celebrity spokespeople like Ray Charles or Britney Spears, a generally more 'of the now' vibe.

So you have Marvel, which is the market leader and has been almost constantly since the 1960s, owned by Disney and by far the dominant mainstream superhero outfit--so they get to market themselves as the more traditional US heroes. Captain America and Iron Man occupy the same place in the mainstream zeigeist as Superman and Batman. The rub is that all of Marvel's poo poo was a direct subversion of the poo poo DC was putting out.

So you have DC in the lesser market position but their characters are actually the more traditional good ol' America characters... so what direction do you take them in? DC and the WB follow marketing wisdom and are skewing younger, hipper, and "in the now" but as we've seen that's counter-intuitive and doesn't play to the character's strengths when the most faithful young adult demographic are neckbeards-- there's a reason the best-regarded DC adaptations of the last 5 years are the CW shows and CBS' Supergirl--save Batman. Because Batman is the lowest common denominator of superheroes, even lower than Superman and is super flexible from a creative angle. But on the other hand if they tried to compete directly with Marvel/Disney as the more conventional heroes--modernized of course, the "2010 version of the 1970s Superman" for example--would they really succeed or eat dirt? It seems the answer that everyone at the WB/DC is more comfortable with is--lower potential returns but more guaranteed than otherwise.

Air Skwirl
May 13, 2007

Neither snow nor rain nor heat nor gloom of night stays these couriers from the swift completion of their appointed shitposting.

Lurdiak posted:

I think it means that coke has always been ahead by a fairly wide margin no matter what Pepsi tries.

That is a poo poo metaphor for a lot of reasons.

Air Skwirl
May 13, 2007

Neither snow nor rain nor heat nor gloom of night stays these couriers from the swift completion of their appointed shitposting.

mind the walrus posted:

That was because Marvel overextended and essentially tried to become their own 100% independent entity from production to distribution to merchandising. Their implosion is a big reason Diamond got a stranglehold on US distribution. Even at the time it was considered this big "wait what?" moment that signified the end of the 90s "bubble."


Coke is the market leader over Pepsi, at least if you compare only the colas. Coke's marketing reflects this with all of its more traditional "Santa Claus" and "people going out to have fun" ads which make Coke seem like this good ol' American Normal Rockwell stalwart. Hell I think the US Santa Claus is a direct invention of Coca Cola's marketing.

Pepsi meanwhile markets itself as the hipper, edgier alternative to coke-- more sexualized ads, celebrity spokespeople like Ray Charles or Britney Spears, a generally more 'of the now' vibe.

So you have Marvel, which is the market leader and has been almost constantly since the 1960s, owned by Disney and by far the dominant mainstream superhero outfit--so they get to market themselves as the more traditional US heroes. Captain America and Iron Man occupy the same place in the mainstream zeigeist as Superman and Batman. The rub is that all of Marvel's poo poo was a direct subversion of the poo poo DC was putting out.

So you have DC in the lesser market position but their characters are actually the more traditional good ol' America characters... so what direction do you take them in? DC and the WB follow marketing wisdom and are skewing younger, hipper, and "in the now" but as we've seen that's counter-intuitive and doesn't play to the character's strengths when the most faithful young adult demographic are neckbeards-- there's a reason the best-regarded DC adaptations of the last 5 years are the CW shows and CBS' Supergirl--save Batman. Because Batman is the lowest common denominator of superheroes, even lower than Superman and is super flexible from a creative angle. But on the other hand if they tried to compete directly with Marvel/Disney as the more conventional heroes--modernized of course, the "2010 version of the 1970s Superman" for example--would they really succeed or eat dirt? It seems the answer that everyone at the WB/DC is more comfortable with is--lower potential returns but more guaranteed than otherwise.
So many wrong things in this.

mind the walrus
Sep 22, 2006

Skwirl posted:

So many wrong things in this.

Cool. I don't really care. It's armchair thoughts.

Lurdiak
Feb 26, 2006

I believe in a universe that doesn't care, and people that do.


Skwirl posted:

That is a poo poo metaphor for a lot of reasons.

Hey I didn't make it.

purple death ray
Jul 28, 2007

me omw 2 steal ur girl

mind the walrus posted:

So you have DC in the lesser market position but their characters are actually the more traditional good ol' America characters... so what direction do you take them in? DC and the WB follow marketing wisdom and are skewing younger, hipper, and "in the now" but as we've seen that's counter-intuitive and doesn't play to the character's strengths when the most faithful young adult demographic are neckbeards-- there's a reason the best-regarded DC adaptations of the last 5 years are the CW shows and CBS' Supergirl--save Batman. Because Batman is the lowest common denominator of superheroes, even lower than Superman and is super flexible from a creative angle. But on the other hand if they tried to compete directly with Marvel/Disney as the more conventional heroes--modernized of course, the "2010 version of the 1970s Superman" for example--would they really succeed or eat dirt? It seems the answer that everyone at the WB/DC is more comfortable with is--lower potential returns but more guaranteed than otherwise.

I'm really confused here - are you saying Snyder's movies are 'younger, hipper, and in the now' or the CW shows are? I would say Snyder's movies are the opposite of that, they seem to be laser-targeted at the kind of comic nerd who passionately argues that superheroes are the modern mythology - the movies are big, operatic, and grandiose, and actively alienating to children and most critics. You say the 'younger, hipper, in the now' approach has failed for DC, but then you say that the CW shows have been the best-regarded adaptations of DC properties. If those aren't 'younger, hipper, in the now' then what the heck is?

Open Marriage Night
Sep 18, 2009

"Do you want to talk to a spider, Peter?"


Lurdiak posted:

Hey I didn't make it.

In the 90's I called them WCW (DC) and WWF (Marvel)

I guess you could call DC Coke and Marvel Pepsi, but I'm more of a Coke drinker, and a Marvel reader.

Scaramouche
Mar 26, 2001

SPACE FACE! SPACE FACE!

TouchToneDialing posted:

I love all of his work so much. The luchador Thor is really cool too.



You had every excuse and reason to use Luchathor here and.... didn't...

Pixeltendo
Mar 2, 2012


WickedHate posted:

I reckon it's because the company has inmates running the asylum and they want their childhood heroes taken very seriously. It's part of the Aquaman issue-you've got all these grown up nerds with an inferiority complex who perceive themselves and their lifelong hobbies as the target of mockery, so there's a bit of overcompensation at work.

Honestly they should of just went full ham with Aquaman and embrace it like Batman the brave and the bold did.
But every writer who gets a go at Aquaman keeps trying to make him a badass and be 'see Aquaman isn't lame anymore!!!" for the fiftieth time.

Discendo Vox
Mar 21, 2013

We don't need to have that dialogue because it's obvious, trivial, and has already been had a thousand times.
One way to resolve this little infight: is this a Marvel or a DC costume design?

Ghostlight
Sep 25, 2009

maybe for one second you can pause; try to step into another person's perspective, and understand that a watermelon is cursing me



The lack of a cape says Marvel but the simple colour blocking and lack of detailing, featureless head, and 90s neck chain says DC.

haitfais
Aug 7, 2005

I am offended by your ham, sir.
It's a Marvel, but it's a lazy Marvel. Fill-in artist on a tomorrow morning deadline Marvel.

Flesh Forge
Jan 31, 2011

LET ME TELL YOU ABOUT MY DOG

Discendo Vox posted:

One way to resolve this little infight: is this a Marvel or a DC costume design?



It's early and I haven't had coffee and my eyes are gooey but I was sure this was some variation on Venom when I saw it.

prefect
Sep 11, 2001

No one, Woodhouse.
No one.




Dead Man’s Band

Discendo Vox posted:

One way to resolve this little infight: is this a Marvel or a DC costume design?



Is that a chain around his neck?

FabioClone
Oct 3, 2004

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN

Discendo Vox posted:

One way to resolve this little infight: is this a Marvel or a DC costume design?


http://superheroes.wikia.com/wiki/Pepsiman
I don't know how accurate this wiki is, but Pepsi Man sounds boss.

quote:

Powers: Enhanced Speed, Pepsi Summoning, Time Pause

quote:

Super Speed - Pepsiman can run at incredible speeds. though he lacks in accuracy, often leading to serious accidents.

Time Stop - Pepsiman is shown to be able to briefly pause time, though only for a few milliseconds.

quote:

Pepsiman was created as a result of scientist Satoru Shujinko accepting the power of the Holy Pepsi into his heart. After awaking from his transformation, Satoru, now Pepsiman, returns to the Pepsi headquarters of Japan at which he works. On his way into the building, he hears a cry from a distressed citizen, made thirsty by the slowly expanding sun. He then saves the citizen, as well as the planet, and assumes his rightful place as Pepsiman.

quote:

During his battle against the Eternal Moon, Pepsiman is forced to reflect on his enthusiasm to become, essentially, a corporate slave and walking advertisement. Pepsiman soon overcomes this conflict, however, when he remembers the joy people experience upon being supplied with soft drinks, and chooses to continue his life as Pepsiman.

quote:

Tools and Weapons

Pepsi, Bo staff, The Imperial Regalia of Japan

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PenguinKnight
Apr 6, 2009

Discendo Vox posted:

One way to resolve this little infight: is this a Marvel or a DC costume design?



Marvel decided that the Silver Surfer just wasn't him enough so they gave him a chain and took him to a car painting place

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